my 3.5L journey begins...
04-05-2006, 08:48 AM
#41
Originally Posted by CleanCL
minor update....
UR Underdrive pulley set, all new thermoblocks, and mugen stuff will be put on the engine. I feel this will be better for long run. This means I will have UR Pulleys/Thermoblocks for sale sometime soon.
UR Underdrive pulley set, all new thermoblocks, and mugen stuff will be put on the engine. I feel this will be better for long run. This means I will have UR Pulleys/Thermoblocks for sale sometime soon.
dibs on the the thermoblock and all the mugen cooling mods!
04-05-2006, 12:21 PM
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typeR - i just bought all new pullies and spacers so they can just put them right on the new motor, no need to swap old stuff, old gaskets. so when i get my motor out, ill pull out the old spacers/pulleys at my leisure.
CLsuperhero, $75 shipped for all the stuff, you may just want to ask outlaw for new gaskets. they should send them to you no problem.
CLsuperhero, $75 shipped for all the stuff, you may just want to ask outlaw for new gaskets. they should send them to you no problem.
04-05-2006, 08:53 PM
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Originally Posted by JZ0324
I dont believe so, but can you confirm or deny if the CL-S has FRM cylinder walls?
Taken from Acura Ownerlink
04-06-2006, 07:38 AM
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Awesome project! 
You're not going to use oversized pistons? Even 2mm would probably bump your displacement to 3.7L.
I'll definitely be checking back in!
You're not going to use oversized pistons? Even 2mm would probably bump your displacement to 3.7L.
I'll definitely be checking back in!
04-08-2006, 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by CleanCL
time to stir things up on the east coast.
U better get a better Tranny to handle that extra HP, our tranny's can hardly handle the 260 stock
04-08-2006, 09:34 PM
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Originally Posted by StonedCL
U better get a better Tranny to handle that extra HP, our tranny's can hardly handle the 260 stock
my transmission handles my 318whp just fine, he should be ok.
04-08-2006, 09:35 PM
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Originally Posted by NSXNEXT
Oh puleasse. More power has nothing, I repeat nothing to do with the 3rd gear clutch packs going.
04-12-2006, 10:08 PM
#58
just remember you were the first. but damn, for the price, the front and rear FULL gasket kit shown above, it has EVERY little thing you could possibly need. ridiculous.
anyone know exactly what the RL pistons are made of? they are a fraction of the weight of my JE Pistons I used on my 4cyl car.
anyone know exactly what the RL pistons are made of? they are a fraction of the weight of my JE Pistons I used on my 4cyl car.
04-12-2006, 10:25 PM
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Originally Posted by mrsteve
Don't waste your time with Dr. Evil.
Are you going to have clearance issues with the RL Cams?
Are you going to have clearance issues with the RL Cams?
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04-12-2006, 10:42 PM
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Originally Posted by mrsteve
Don't waste your time with Dr. Evil.
Are you going to have clearance issues with the RL Cams?
Are you going to have clearance issues with the RL Cams?
really =[
RL pistons, shown above, you can see the indents on the dome. the cams won't clear the CL-S pistons, but should be fine with RL pistons. i originally was going to use my stock pistons, but decided to go the cam route.
Didn't realize u were using RL pistons as well.
04-12-2006, 10:49 PM
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yea, i was trying to decide if it would be worth it to spend the extra on cams/pistons, and i decided that it would be putting down more than a supercharger. but then again, this is the first of this kind that i'm aware of, so we shall see.
agreed on tight clearance, but when looking at the RL pistons in person, i think it'll be more than fine. personally i think the cams are good for 20+ hp, but that's just an estimate. i would say it's safe to say i should be seeing 350+ crank.
on a side note, i removed my VSA the other day, and i honestly feel like it gave me similiar gains as pulley/spacer. id say 8-10, but i'm also running a ported TB and intake manifold. the new motor will have a slightly more aggressive port, because my lower manifolds are still stock.
agreed on tight clearance, but when looking at the RL pistons in person, i think it'll be more than fine. personally i think the cams are good for 20+ hp, but that's just an estimate. i would say it's safe to say i should be seeing 350+ crank.
on a side note, i removed my VSA the other day, and i honestly feel like it gave me similiar gains as pulley/spacer. id say 8-10, but i'm also running a ported TB and intake manifold. the new motor will have a slightly more aggressive port, because my lower manifolds are still stock.
04-13-2006, 03:28 AM
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Man... I'm just as ancy as you are. I can't wait for this to happen. How much longer for the build? Oh, how many miles do you have on the car/tranny?
04-13-2006, 08:13 AM
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I don't know where you're getting 20+hp for the cams alone but we shall see.
And 350+hp? Afterall you are basically putting an RL motor into your CL-S (3.5L, 11:1 pistons, RL cams) and the RL motor makes 290 hp. Plus your PnP manifold, headers, etc, etc. But 350hp might be a stretch.
Also, you won't make as much horsepower as the supercharger. Close, but not quite.
And 350+hp? Afterall you are basically putting an RL motor into your CL-S (3.5L, 11:1 pistons, RL cams) and the RL motor makes 290 hp. Plus your PnP manifold, headers, etc, etc. But 350hp might be a stretch.
Also, you won't make as much horsepower as the supercharger. Close, but not quite.
04-13-2006, 08:15 AM
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Originally Posted by JZ0324
Yes its them. If you get the parts, a good performance shop can do it.
From our FAQ:
The 3.5L upgrade is done by Rick Case Acura. The really short version is it is a converted 3.5L MDX engine put into a CL.
More specific details:
Roughly 315 hp and 254 ft lbs of torque
0-60 in 5.7 seconds, 1/4 mile in 14.0 sec.
Note runs done at Moroso Motorsports Park in 90 degree and 90% humidity.
Parts:
From MDX: Crank, bearing, pistons, rods, tranny housing 1->2, intake plenum spacer
Comptech Headers, springs, sways
AEM 2.5" CAI
Brushed aluminum interior
Apex VTEC Controller
Head work is done by the Propulsion Laboratory in conjunction with John Brown Racing of S. Florida.
Compression ratio is 10.85:1
Takes 8 work days to produce/convert one powertrain.
Cost: $4999 for 315 HP, and $6999 for a 335 HP Gen II set-up.
One acura-cl.com got the conversion, ran great with it, and had no transmission problems at all
From our FAQ:
The 3.5L upgrade is done by Rick Case Acura. The really short version is it is a converted 3.5L MDX engine put into a CL.
More specific details:
Roughly 315 hp and 254 ft lbs of torque
0-60 in 5.7 seconds, 1/4 mile in 14.0 sec.
Note runs done at Moroso Motorsports Park in 90 degree and 90% humidity.
Parts:
From MDX: Crank, bearing, pistons, rods, tranny housing 1->2, intake plenum spacer
Comptech Headers, springs, sways
AEM 2.5" CAI
Brushed aluminum interior
Apex VTEC Controller
Head work is done by the Propulsion Laboratory in conjunction with John Brown Racing of S. Florida.
Compression ratio is 10.85:1
Takes 8 work days to produce/convert one powertrain.
Cost: $4999 for 315 HP, and $6999 for a 335 HP Gen II set-up.
One acura-cl.com got the conversion, ran great with it, and had no transmission problems at all
no shit. Rick Case is right around the corner from me haha...
04-13-2006, 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by CleanCL
i was talking crank hp on all of those numbers, not to the wheels.
I know you were. Bumping displacement by 300cc, increasing CR by 0.5, and installing a hotter cam isn't going to increase horsepower by 90+
04-13-2006, 08:20 AM
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Originally Posted by agranado
no shit. Rick Case is right around the corner from me haha...
04-13-2006, 08:27 AM
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i made 234whp on a dyno w/ broken actuator and misfires, figuring 20% drivetrain loss, that sets me at 290 crank now, but i was under the impression that loss was somewhere closer to 25% for the autos. i need to redyno with my new actuator. i don't think its too far off to say im close to 300 crank right now.
04-13-2006, 08:55 AM
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04-13-2006, 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by mrsteve
What mods do you have now?
I made 295whp with the supercharger which is why I don't think you're going to make more than what the supercharger is capable of.
I made 295whp with the supercharger which is why I don't think you're going to make more than what the supercharger is capable of.
04-13-2006, 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Allout
Are the RL cams more aggressive than the Type S cams? (sorry - I haven't been keeping up )
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04-13-2006, 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by CleanCL
yea, i was trying to decide if it would be worth it to spend the extra on cams/pistons, and i decided that it would be putting down more than a supercharger. but then again, this is the first of this kind that i'm aware of, so we shall see.
agreed on tight clearance, but when looking at the RL pistons in person, i think it'll be more than fine. personally i think the cams are good for 20+ hp, but that's just an estimate. i would say it's safe to say i should be seeing 350+ crank.
agreed on tight clearance, but when looking at the RL pistons in person, i think it'll be more than fine. personally i think the cams are good for 20+ hp, but that's just an estimate. i would say it's safe to say i should be seeing 350+ crank.
As to 350 Crank HP, I respectfully doubt that will happen. The RL started out with 300 at the crank and since then has been readjusted to 290 at the crank. If the CL were still in production with the 3.2, I'd suspect it would also have been readjusted to .. guessing.. 250 HP. Addtionally, there was progress made in the technology of the intake manifold that was used on the RL, That also accounts for some of the numbers the RL puts down. No matter what though, the cams will give it better bottom end grunt than the cl cams.
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Your going to use the RL pistons and cams, I don't think you'll make much more, and this is only speculation, than 315 at the crank with headers and icebox. The rl cams will not pose a piston to valve clearance problem when using the RL pistons. The RL pistons are cast aluminum.
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*#*#I guess I'll let out somemore inside information out. This will add some more to your spending on this project.
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Dont' use the CL valve springs, they are matched up for the CLS cams. Use the RL Springs, they are matched to the RL cams.
The best part of it is, ... it's all honda parts in the motor!*#*#**
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Anyone been over to the site I'm not suppose to speak of and seen the thread where they will/are making aftermarket cams, springs, retainers for the j motor? It seems a little fishy to me as he didn't answer one question I posed to him as of yet.
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Stick with this, I'm very interested in seeing the gains with these cams, this is hot. I firmly beleive that the rl cams would be a money maker with a turbo.
04-13-2006, 01:45 PM
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steve, all mods are in my sig.
jim, valve springs don't add much to the cost. but thanks for the headsup. my build is going very slow, but theres a reason for it.
let's just say i have a few tricks up my sleeve, and you may see me as a vendor in a few months. it all depends on how these things work out. i'm just going through testing phases on my own car at the moment.
thanks for the help and kind words. i expect many more speedbumps to go along with this build, but in the end, it'll be worth it. as for the numbers, i'm just throwing them out there, and i respect you guys, you were here before me, and probably understand the motor a little better. in all honesty i need to hit a dyno again, i was a bit suprised at 234whp with broken actuator, and of course now it's warmer so i'm stuck with humidity. oh well.
jim, valve springs don't add much to the cost. but thanks for the headsup. my build is going very slow, but theres a reason for it.
let's just say i have a few tricks up my sleeve, and you may see me as a vendor in a few months. it all depends on how these things work out. i'm just going through testing phases on my own car at the moment.
thanks for the help and kind words. i expect many more speedbumps to go along with this build, but in the end, it'll be worth it. as for the numbers, i'm just throwing them out there, and i respect you guys, you were here before me, and probably understand the motor a little better. in all honesty i need to hit a dyno again, i was a bit suprised at 234whp with broken actuator, and of course now it's warmer so i'm stuck with humidity. oh well.