L.A. Auto Show (OFFICIAL 2003 CL INFO & PICTURES)
#81
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Originally posted by soopa
they will either be a dealer installed option...
or the '03 simply isnt getting them just like the '99-01 TL.
they will either be a dealer installed option...
or the '03 simply isnt getting them just like the '99-01 TL.
It looks pretty bad w/o the driving lights, it's like they forgot something that was supposed to be there..
Don't the CLS wheels remind you of some other car??
#83
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The 6 speed would be the only reason I'd get this but I'm not interested in driving a stick in southern CT. TOO MUCH TRAFFIC!
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#84
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as for the rims... (the type-s ones at least)
go easy on Acura.
i think what their trying to do is go for a German look.
with painted rims.
previously, most acura rims, including the '01 CLs... have a powdercoat/polished finish.
BMW's rims, which are painted, are immensely popular.
it seems apparent to me that their trying to copy BMW's style of rim a bit... their just going about it all wrong. No biggie... since ALL stock rims are ass anyway. Thats what the aftermarket is for
go easy on Acura.
i think what their trying to do is go for a German look.
with painted rims.
previously, most acura rims, including the '01 CLs... have a powdercoat/polished finish.
BMW's rims, which are painted, are immensely popular.
it seems apparent to me that their trying to copy BMW's style of rim a bit... their just going about it all wrong. No biggie... since ALL stock rims are ass anyway. Thats what the aftermarket is for
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#87
Cajun Gumbo Man
I was not surprised of the "minor" changes ! I've bought Honda's since 1984. They do NOT make sudden changes etc.....The fact that a manual transmission came out, tells me one thing: Acura/Honda IS LISTENING !
Likes: 6MT
Dislikes:
New rims looks like Accords new ones
Front of new CL looks much like the 1998 Accord coupe grill
MUCH Prefer SOLID red rear lights !
Don't care for RICEY ALLUMINUM TRIM
Perforated leather on doors ? Come on, RICEY AGAIN........if your going to get sporty, get sporty, NOT RICEY !
I would not be surprised if the fog lights are an option !
HOW MANY LAYERS OF FOOKING PAINT ON THIS CAR TOO ?????? Anyone knows ?
Likes: 6MT
Dislikes:
New rims looks like Accords new ones
Front of new CL looks much like the 1998 Accord coupe grill
MUCH Prefer SOLID red rear lights !
Don't care for RICEY ALLUMINUM TRIM
Perforated leather on doors ? Come on, RICEY AGAIN........if your going to get sporty, get sporty, NOT RICEY !
I would not be surprised if the fog lights are an option !
HOW MANY LAYERS OF FOOKING PAINT ON THIS CAR TOO ?????? Anyone knows ?
#88
Happy CL-S Pilot
In short, I am still looking for 2004 or 2005 AWD 350 HP SMG CL.. till then I am satisfied with my CLS.
Only the 6-speed die-hards would be happy with this minor refresh.
BTW, I was on the note with my prediction:
1) On Star
2) 6-speed
3) minor headlights and rear tail lights changes
4) and minor interiior comsmtics
5) rims are a bad surprise!
Only the 6-speed die-hards would be happy with this minor refresh.
BTW, I was on the note with my prediction:
1) On Star
2) 6-speed
3) minor headlights and rear tail lights changes
4) and minor interiior comsmtics
5) rims are a bad surprise!
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#89
Cost Drivers!!!!
Originally posted by provench
Dude - I have never been good with gear ratios (yeah - I know - I smell) ... what does that mean in english with regards to the numbers you posted? Hopefully it means it never leaves VTEC if you punch it and 1 2 3 are all STRONG as heck !
Dude - I have never been good with gear ratios (yeah - I know - I smell) ... what does that mean in english with regards to the numbers you posted? Hopefully it means it never leaves VTEC if you punch it and 1 2 3 are all STRONG as heck !
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#90
Originally posted by Paul
heres a pic of 02 CLP rims VS 03 CLP. The 03 also sticks out soo much.
heres a pic of 02 CLP rims VS 03 CLP. The 03 also sticks out soo much.
#91
The sizzle in the Steak
It would appear these "Cosmetic" changes (not including the six speed) are minimal to the extent that there should be little if no change to the 2001-2002 resale value......a plus IMOA
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#92
Originally posted by proactive
Yeah, I like the new ones much better. No offense. I've liked them since I saw the similar ones on the new TL-P. I was never a fan of the 01-02 CL-P rims, the look like 15"s - the new ones actually look like 16"s. IMO.
Yeah, I like the new ones much better. No offense. I've liked them since I saw the similar ones on the new TL-P. I was never a fan of the 01-02 CL-P rims, the look like 15"s - the new ones actually look like 16"s. IMO.
#93
Originally posted by pwille
Well, all I have to say is:
1. I like the updates to the exterior (PLEASE, some real fogs!)
2. I'm all for OnStar (at least for the first year when its free)![Smile](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif)
3. LOVE the 6 speed
4. Don't like the look of the antenna, but if it improves reception, hey!
5. Hand brake is great
6. Rear lenses...not sure. still undecided
7. Faux aluminum. NO GO in my book!
Other than that, nothing major here. I like the updates as a whole, but I'd only switch if I could get the 6-speed. Is it too late to pre-order??
Well, all I have to say is:
1. I like the updates to the exterior (PLEASE, some real fogs!)
2. I'm all for OnStar (at least for the first year when its free)
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3. LOVE the 6 speed
4. Don't like the look of the antenna, but if it improves reception, hey!
5. Hand brake is great
6. Rear lenses...not sure. still undecided
7. Faux aluminum. NO GO in my book!
Other than that, nothing major here. I like the updates as a whole, but I'd only switch if I could get the 6-speed. Is it too late to pre-order??
#94
Originally posted by pwille
One more thing...what happened to the 285-295HP???
One more thing...what happened to the 285-295HP???
It's not REALLY 290hp, it's just that you lose around 25-30 less horsepower to the wheels with the stick than you do with the auto tranny.
So 290hp is completely incorrect to say. It's just that you get 20-25 more of the 260hp to the wheels.
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Man that is one crappy job they did to it. They ruined the wheels, they ruined the front end, and they ruined the rear lights.
Good job, Acura: By using the Toyota School of Design (uglifying all your vehicles one generation at a time), you're making it much easier for me to choose my next car.
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Originally posted by JRock
Very simple - it's what I said back when people first started talking about it - the "290hp" is what you get when you put a manual transmission in place of the auto tranny which has a higher loss from crank to wheels.
It's not REALLY 290hp, it's just that you lose around 25-30 less horsepower to the wheels with the stick than you do with the auto tranny.
So 290hp is completely incorrect to say. It's just that you get 20-25 more of the 260hp to the wheels.
Very simple - it's what I said back when people first started talking about it - the "290hp" is what you get when you put a manual transmission in place of the auto tranny which has a higher loss from crank to wheels.
It's not REALLY 290hp, it's just that you lose around 25-30 less horsepower to the wheels with the stick than you do with the auto tranny.
So 290hp is completely incorrect to say. It's just that you get 20-25 more of the 260hp to the wheels.
Just a few more comments...
All in all, I am impressed by Acura. As mentioned, they DID deliver the 6-speed.
I, however, might wait until the 04 TL. Who knows, all I know is that Acura did not let me down.
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#97
The cool thing about this is I got everything I need in my 01 CL and the things that I want are easy swaps. I never wanted a manual, I drive in traffic too much. This makes me happy because now I don't need to trade my baby in ;-)
#98
Originally posted by WebToker
The cool thing about this is I got everything I need in my 01 CL and the things that I want are easy swaps. I never wanted a manual, I drive in traffic too much. This makes me happy because now I don't need to trade my baby in ;-)
The cool thing about this is I got everything I need in my 01 CL and the things that I want are easy swaps. I never wanted a manual, I drive in traffic too much. This makes me happy because now I don't need to trade my baby in ;-)
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#99
Originally posted by Paul
true, now that I think about it. I would hate it if the new CL has alot of exterior changes. Since I just bought my car 2 months ago. I dont want a stick either so that wont help me. The only thing I might want is the tail lights, im stil not sure yet since my car is black, i kinda like the solid red in teh back.
true, now that I think about it. I would hate it if the new CL has alot of exterior changes. Since I just bought my car 2 months ago. I dont want a stick either so that wont help me. The only thing I might want is the tail lights, im stil not sure yet since my car is black, i kinda like the solid red in teh back.
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#101
Originally posted by JRock
I love how obvious it is they don't even listen to our complaints: The wheels, even though redesigned, STILL stick out too far beyond the tire.![Roll Eyes](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif)
They never learn.
I love how obvious it is they don't even listen to our complaints: The wheels, even though redesigned, STILL stick out too far beyond the tire.
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They never learn.
#103
Originally posted by JRock
I love how obvious it is they don't even listen to our complaints: The wheels, even though redesigned, STILL stick out too far beyond the tire.![Roll Eyes](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif)
They never learn.
I love how obvious it is they don't even listen to our complaints: The wheels, even though redesigned, STILL stick out too far beyond the tire.
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They never learn.
They did listen about the lights, a lot of us wanted the lights to be split like the TLs. there is a photoshop image that was done over a year ago that looks exactly the same as the lights do in the 2003.
#104
Originally posted by Generationz
honestly i like our factory rims i mean im still gettin 19s but... they are not ugly
honestly i like our factory rims i mean im still gettin 19s but... they are not ugly
#106
Originally posted by Generationz
honestly i like our factory rims i mean im still gettin 19s but... they are not ugly
honestly i like our factory rims i mean im still gettin 19s but... they are not ugly
#107
Originally posted by WebToker
I agree, I will still be getting aftermarket rims but at least for now our rims look sweet.
I agree, I will still be getting aftermarket rims but at least for now our rims look sweet.
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#108
Originally posted by WebToker
They did listen about the lights, a lot of us wanted the lights to be split like the TLs. there is a photoshop image that was done over a year ago that looks exactly the same as the lights do in the 2003.
They did listen about the lights, a lot of us wanted the lights to be split like the TLs. there is a photoshop image that was done over a year ago that looks exactly the same as the lights do in the 2003.
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#109
gearing
ok, so it looks a little lame. LISTEN TO ZAPATA though. This gearing is insane. Any guesses on performance? I'll wait for some AWD, but this isn't all bad...
#110
Originally posted by WebToker
I mean look at these rims, you can't say they don't look good on our cars...
[IMG]http://www.houston-imports.com/registry/images/calvin/front.jpg[IMG]
I mean look at these rims, you can't say they don't look good on our cars...
[IMG]http://www.houston-imports.com/registry/images/calvin/front.jpg[IMG]
I love my stock rims. Everyone agrees that they STICK OUT TOO FAR though, making them easy to scratch. Acura took the time to redesign the wheels but they managed to ignore all our comments about how they stick out too far (just look at those new CL-P rims).
Btw, your ride with the really dark tint makes that red paint look even better than normal!
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#111
Originally posted by JRock
To properly split our foglights, the rear end would have to be redesigned so it doesn't look stupid.... how it looks like on the '03.
To properly split our foglights, the rear end would have to be redesigned so it doesn't look stupid.... how it looks like on the '03.
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#112
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Originally posted by WebToker
I agree, I will still be getting aftermarket rims but at least for now our rims look sweet.
I agree, I will still be getting aftermarket rims but at least for now our rims look sweet.
Our stock rims are pretty nice as stock rims go.
But... GET ON THE BAND WAGON FOO...
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#113
Originally posted by JRock
Hey buddy, for the second time, read wtf I said, not what you think I said:
I love my stock rims. Everyone agrees that they STICK OUT TOO FAR though, making them easy to scratch. Acura took the time to redesign the wheels but they managed to ignore all our comments about how they stick out too far (just look at those new CL-P rims).
Hey buddy, for the second time, read wtf I said, not what you think I said:
I love my stock rims. Everyone agrees that they STICK OUT TOO FAR though, making them easy to scratch. Acura took the time to redesign the wheels but they managed to ignore all our comments about how they stick out too far (just look at those new CL-P rims).
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#114
Originally posted by WebToker
Foglights?
Foglights?
. I was talking directly to you.
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Anyway, you replied to my post and it sounded like you're saying Acura DOES pay attention to our comments, when they clearly don't as shown by their insistance for rims that stick out. That's all. :P
#116
Gear Ratios, Zapata
Not sure I like the gear ratios. I want a manual but not a drag racer. I don't want to be turning high rpms while i am cruising on the highway just so some young kids can turn fast quarter miles. Mistake Accura.
#117
Fahrvergnügen'd
Re: Gear Ratios, Zapata
Originally posted by joeandcarol2
Not sure I like the gear ratios. I want a manual but not a drag racer. I don't want to be turning high rpms while i am cruising on the highway just so some young kids can turn fast quarter miles. Mistake Accura.
Not sure I like the gear ratios. I want a manual but not a drag racer. I don't want to be turning high rpms while i am cruising on the highway just so some young kids can turn fast quarter miles. Mistake Accura.
#119
The Creator
Thread Starter
Re: Gear Ratios, Zapata
Originally posted by joeandcarol2
Not sure I like the gear ratios. I want a manual but not a drag racer. I don't want to be turning high rpms while i am cruising on the highway just so some young kids can turn fast quarter miles. Mistake Accura.
Not sure I like the gear ratios. I want a manual but not a drag racer. I don't want to be turning high rpms while i am cruising on the highway just so some young kids can turn fast quarter miles. Mistake Accura.
in a high gear you wont be at high rpm at cruising speeds.
the nice thing is youll still have some power tho even in 6th.
#120
Cost Drivers!!!!
Re: Re: Gear Ratios, Zapata
Originally posted by charliemike
Any idea what that kind of RPMs that car is going to turn in 6th at 75mph?
Any idea what that kind of RPMs that car is going to turn in 6th at 75mph?