Taylor party

Ok so i have a 97 2 door integra. Swapped a j32a2 and a 6 speed manual trans from a 03 cl-s(i think 03)

Heres my issue:
First how can i check my CEL, the 2 wire DLC on pass. Side below glovebox does nothing when crossed. And the car has no obd2 port, yes its a 97 so it should but it doesnt, its been removed at some point. Can i wire just like a toggle switch to the DLC pin in the ecu and a ground to blink the cel on the dash?
2nd also does anyone have ECU pinout for PGE(2001 cl type s automatic)?

Also my car is hitting rev limiter at 6k rpm. Is it because its an automatic ecu? If so other than buying a manual ecu is there a way to get it to hit vtec and rev higher? Could it be something else other than ecu thinking the cars in park or neutral?

Would it be possible just to wire in the automatic shifter assembly from the cl-s to where the ecu would think its in drive.. Or am i way far off as far as that being a solution?

zeta

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Um, I'm pretty sure that if you are running an 03 CL-S6 transmission (the only year this 2G model came with one) you must have a CL-S6 ECU to pick up the transmission side crank sensor or a standalone with appropriate wire harness. A CL-S automatic ECU is not compatible to the desirable result of a manual transmission's functionality. So, I would rectify that first.

Here is where you can get a free copy of the CL service manual. It will help you tremendously:

https://acurazine.com/forums/second-...manual-955523/

zeta

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In addition, is the J32A2 motor, used in your swap, directly from a CL-S 6 speed or from an automatic CL-S / TL-S?

Acura2g558

I'm not sure how he even got it running if it was the Integra ECU. I'm hoping he's at least got the CL-S6 ECU in there. My guess is that he doesn't have the wiring right, especially since he states he's hitting rev. limit at 6k
We need more info for sure here. Additionally, I would recommend not using the service port anyways. You'll want a OBD ability especially running a hybrid (not that hybrid) system like that.

zeta

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The clues, in bold below, indicate he is probably running an auto CL-S ECU. Could be wrong , though.

There have been a few others, who have swapped the CL-S6 trans into either Accords, Civics, et al who discover that they overlooked the need for the CL-S6 ECU, primarily because of the pesky transmission side crank sensor.

Karanx7

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I don't understand why people think an automatic ECU would run fine with a manual transmission.

Acura2g558

I don't... lol

thoiboi

I think he's referring to OP

Taylor party

[QUOTE=zeta;16551070]^
Um, I'm pretty sure that if you are running an 03 CL-S6 transmission (the only year this 2G model came with one) you must have a CL-S6 ECU to pick up the transmission side crank sensor or a standalone with appropriate wire harness. A CL-S automatic ECU is not compatible to the desirable result of a manual transmission's functionality. So, I would rectify that first.

Here is where you can get a free copy of the CL service manual. It will help you tremendously:

https://acurazine.com/forums/second-generation-cl-discussion-2000-2003-50/acura-tl-cl-service-manu





I pulled the ecu from a 2001 acura cl type s. With a j32a2 and automatic transmission. I have the same engine from a cl-s, j32a2. Pretty sure its always been attached to the lsd 6. Speed manual trans. When car first got swapped i was using a P6E ecu. From an automatic TL. But that ecu was rusty inside, look like it was in the ocean. My car used to run well until my car was stolen
luckily all they got were my seats, my wheels and most importantly my aem em, i bought it uaed but it worked perfectly. I dont have over $1000 to throw at another aem. There has to be a way for me to get vtec to open and to rev to over 6k rpm with the automatic ecu. My theory is, mainly because it seems like quickest, least cost solution would be just to wire in a auto shifter from a 01 cl-s and just "convince ecu its in drive.. Wouldnt that wprk?
is it definitely my ecu causing this?

The vehicle runs great up to 6k but limitsvat 6k. I dont wanna buy a factory m/t ecu as they cost $450 and this ecu runs it so i gotta be able to modify it or add something to it. Like we could on a obd1 ecu.

so again
97 obd2a integra.
Manual j32a2
cl-s lsd 6 speed trans
Tried P6e ecu (was rusty)
using a PGE now, which runs it well until 6k

Can i wire in cl-6 shifter to trick ecu?

zeta

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I'm just trying to understand what's going on, so...…....

Does It make sense that the 'aem em' system frankensteined into the car, coupled with the auto TL P6E ECU before it was stolen, was the brain of the car to make it perform correctly?

If it does and you can't replace it (whatever aem em was used) then the car needs a new cheaper alternative brain (ecu) to run with the CL-S6 transmission. In lieu of the stolen aem em (which was tricking the TL P6E ecu to make the car perform), that ECU would have to be the 37820-PGE-A12 from the manual CL-S because it is programmed to work with the crank sensor housed within the clutch case of the manual transmission.

If I am wrong, somebody please correct my logic.

LKQ-Keystone-Midweat Auto Parts; USA-NE(Omaha); 1-800-456-9683; stock# $N00173 on car-part.com has one (Engine Computer) for $75 before shipping.

Acura2g558

Honestly... there is a lot going on with this car and you should just get the right parts for the situation. If you have a J32A2 w/ a 6-spd just get the correct ECU. There's one on EBAY right now: https://www.ebay.com/itm/03-ACURA-CL...cAAOSwZK5eIe0q

thoiboi

Too many damn variables.. I'm with the others, an Auto ECU on a manual car just doesn't make sense...

Taylor party

so i wired in the auto shifter from the cl type s. I have vtec and a 7600rpm limiter but my speedo isnt even close to correct any longer. Idk what it is i did that messed with the speedo but i got it. Thanks guys. Was looking for some input not for everyone to say "get a manual ecu" that wasnt in my cards and i thot i made that clear. Ill just keep my questions and stuff to my self since looking for some insight clearly goes against the rules here

zeta

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^

Roll on, my dude!

thoiboi

Comes to a forum to ask for advice,


ignores everyone's advice.



Sounds good to me Hope it works out well for you !

Karanx7

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Probably for the best.

whitetiger5

Taylor, it may be difficult to hear, but the ecu, engine and transmission type are all tied to each other; heck, on some cars ecu's they are specific that they conform to california emission standards; adding another layer of complexity.

there are inputs coming from the transmission AND the engine to the ECU that if there are any parts missing then the ECU will not perform properly. you have two choices here:

• find an manual ECU
• switch to an automatic transmission (tho I don't know why) to match the ECU.

Acura2g558

He is trying to put a CL-S6 into an integra so you had to question his sanity to begin with

whitetiger5

not that crazy. check out the first few minutes of this video. doesn't seem that hard, just have to do your homework and get the right parts in order.

Acura2g558

That's a nice video and a cool build, but I still stand by my comment. K-swapping would have been a better choice in my opinion and you still can get a 6-spd but with more tune-ability, aftermarket support and crazy HP numbers.
I mean if a J32 in your integra is your thang, rock on brother

zeta

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Hey Taylor, are you sure you have the rpms up to 7600 and vtec?

There's a guy on facebook (today) J series & Jswap Engine Community named Taylor, from Olympia, WA, looking for advice with a brown Integra that looks a lot like you and states:

'Taylor L... to Vince O... is there an easier solution other than an aem ems? My car runs and drives now, it is throwing 2 CEL codes, both auto trans codes, but it redlines at 6k and no vtec.. And i just want vtec. Whats my best option here?'


Furthermore, the advice given in that discussion appears to be a lot like the 'advice' you received here, lol.

With that said, I bid you Good Luck Bro. If you want to play you have to pay!

613CLS

Since your using the CLS ECU you would need the CLS cluster to fix your speedo.
From what i read after getting an EMS v2 my speedo will be off because im using my CLs cluster and AEM Is wired for civfor.

Karanx7

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AEM EMS 2 doesn't modify the speedo signal. It only reads it and passes it on, so it will work fine with a CL cluster.

613CLS

Good news for me then lol.
ive only read the instructions it came with so far ive got lots to learn about the EMS