It's Official, Our Odometers are OVERCOUNTING
11-26-2006, 09:45 PM
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It's Official, Our Odometers are OVERCOUNTING
After not having to travel much for work the past 3 months, I got the pleasure of driving from Pittsburgh, PA to Baltimore, MD. My girl always follows right behind me for about 100 miles of the trip till we break off.
Now I mean she stays right behind me and goes in the same lanes I do, so there are no variances in travel.
We gas up right before we get onto the highway and reset our Trip A settings to 0.0 on both our cars. She has a G35, I got my trusty 2001 CL-S.
40 miles into our trip, I call on the phone and we do a mileage check.
Her trip meter says 38.5
Mine says 40.1
She was only a car length behind me the whole time.
The next check we did was right before we split off,
Her trip meter says 98.2
Mine says 102.3
I have stock sized tires, I am not running 235 45 17s.
I am running the OEM sized tires on OEM rims. All her tires and rims are OEM too.
We need to have this looked into, its unfair.
I know there is a thread about this, but I just wanted to give some first hand experience into this.
Now I mean she stays right behind me and goes in the same lanes I do, so there are no variances in travel.
We gas up right before we get onto the highway and reset our Trip A settings to 0.0 on both our cars. She has a G35, I got my trusty 2001 CL-S.
40 miles into our trip, I call on the phone and we do a mileage check.
Her trip meter says 38.5
Mine says 40.1
She was only a car length behind me the whole time.
The next check we did was right before we split off,
Her trip meter says 98.2
Mine says 102.3
I have stock sized tires, I am not running 235 45 17s.
I am running the OEM sized tires on OEM rims. All her tires and rims are OEM too.
We need to have this looked into, its unfair.
I know there is a thread about this, but I just wanted to give some first hand experience into this.
11-26-2006, 10:25 PM
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What makes the G35's odometer the baseline? Has that been tested for accuracy?
I understand the point of your test, but that is like calculating gas mileage without factoring the amount of gas that is in your tank before you fill up.
Regardless, I'd be interested to see a little more investigation.
I understand the point of your test, but that is like calculating gas mileage without factoring the amount of gas that is in your tank before you fill up.
Regardless, I'd be interested to see a little more investigation.
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11-26-2006, 10:28 PM
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Great so that means my TLs mileage is off doesnt it?
I also ran the numbers on that and this is just an estimate but at about 100K miles we would be about 4100 off.
I also ran the numbers on that and this is just an estimate but at about 100K miles we would be about 4100 off.
11-26-2006, 11:15 PM
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I've always been wondering about this because every time I've mapquested a location, such as road tripping to: Eastern washington, lincoln city, oregon, Bellingham, Wa, and various other locations I've gone to throughout the summer; my odometer reading was always off by 20-30 miles making me think like...wtF*CK! That's not possible. Seeing this is making sense. I'm complaining tomorrow while I do my "shit to do" list. Stupid Acura of America...grrrrrrrrrrrrr...an Acura rep is definately going to get an ear load.
11-26-2006, 11:28 PM
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You guys do realize that if the Odometer is off by up to 1%, that is a lot my mileage being tacked on to your car. For those relying on the factory warranty to cover for the tranny and other things this can be very upsetting for a lot of Acura owners. 
11-26-2006, 11:32 PM
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Originally Posted by GreenMachine
You guys do realize that if the Odometer is off by up to 1%, that is a lot my mileage being tacked on to your car. For those relying on the factory warranty to cover for the tranny and other things this can be very upsetting for a lot of Acura owners.
11-27-2006, 06:08 AM
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So since you're on stock tires, and you're off by 4.5 miles... What would I be off, when running my 225/40/18? And what would I be off on my 235/35/19?
11-27-2006, 07:27 AM
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Originally Posted by dalostpinoy
sorry to bust everyone bubble... but i dont think this lil test is counted as "Official"
Do it yourself, with any other vehicle besides an acura. Make sure there are no variances when you do the test.
1.) When I changed lanes on the highway, my gf remained directly behind me and was always directly behind me.
2.) We reset our trip odometers upon fill-up.
3.) Her trip from the gas station we stopped at to the Breezewood, PA exit matched EXACTLY to what Mapquest said. My car has never done that.
4.) I don't know if you realize, she use to have a CL-S also, up until the past month and we always matched exact mileage to the Breezewood, PA exit, it was always over 100 miles from the gas station fill-up. Now that she has the G35, this is the first time that either of us have been under 100 miles at the Breezewood, PA exit.
5.) I don't know if the % variance is correct, but I am stating that it is definitely official. Our ODOMETERS ARE OFF.
Good point about the gas mileage, that means our gas mileage is weaker than it seems.
11-27-2006, 07:50 AM
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Stock tires I don't know, but with the 235-45-17's mine is spot on. I do several Orlando trips from & to the same location in different cars & the mileage is always within 2 miles. Car is dead on with radar & laser as well.
All OD's are off to some degree. I remember reading a few years ago the gov is ok with OD's in a range of -2 to +2%
That's why cop cars have special speedo's that say they are calibration certified.
All OD's are off to some degree. I remember reading a few years ago the gov is ok with OD's in a range of -2 to +2%
That's why cop cars have special speedo's that say they are calibration certified.
11-27-2006, 07:52 AM
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I heard about this before. I compared it to Mapquest for a couple short trips and didn't notice a difference. I checked it when I drove down to VA from NJ (a bit over 300 miles), and I was off by a little over a mile which I attributed to stops. 
11-27-2006, 09:11 AM
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Well, I notice a little discrepency between my navigation system's mileage and odometer, but didn't think too much of it.
My AVIC-D1 is up for warranty repairs right now, but when I get it back in, I'll try to see if I can find anything funny.
I just drove to altanta my trip thingy said 498 miles, google says 465, but I used a different way to get to the highway adding maybe 10miles. Google maps suggests some weird backroad thing for many many miles running parallel with the highway instead of going directly to it. anyways, that's besides the point.
I'll look into it, when I get the D1 back.
My AVIC-D1 is up for warranty repairs right now, but when I get it back in, I'll try to see if I can find anything funny.
I just drove to altanta my trip thingy said 498 miles, google says 465, but I used a different way to get to the highway adding maybe 10miles. Google maps suggests some weird backroad thing for many many miles running parallel with the highway instead of going directly to it. anyways, that's besides the point.
I'll look into it, when I get the D1 back.
since my car really has fewer miles, now im asking $12,200 instead of $12,ooo 
11-27-2006, 09:33 AM
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Our cars seem to be off by between 3-4%, more than anything, it is the principal of the matter. I know that if I was trying to sell my car with 90,000 miles instead of 93,000, its not going to make much of a difference. But think of this in terms of big Company Money.
I think that extra 9,000 mile tranny warranty cost Acura a ton of money. Now imagine if they got cars to overestimate by 4,000 miles so it reaches the 100,000/109,000 mile mark faster.
And what about when most cars were still within their basic bumper to bumper warranty up to 50,000 miles. That means people were only getting a 48,000 mile warranty.
To the average consumer, that isn't a big deal. But to large companies like Honday, those 2,000 miles are like gold. Imagine how much money they saved by denying customer claims for someone who was just out of their 50,000/100,000 mile warranty.
Once again, this isn't that big of a deal to the average driver, but in my opinion, this was intentional on the part of Honda to reap some big benefits.
I think that extra 9,000 mile tranny warranty cost Acura a ton of money. Now imagine if they got cars to overestimate by 4,000 miles so it reaches the 100,000/109,000 mile mark faster.
And what about when most cars were still within their basic bumper to bumper warranty up to 50,000 miles. That means people were only getting a 48,000 mile warranty.
To the average consumer, that isn't a big deal. But to large companies like Honday, those 2,000 miles are like gold. Imagine how much money they saved by denying customer claims for someone who was just out of their 50,000/100,000 mile warranty.
Once again, this isn't that big of a deal to the average driver, but in my opinion, this was intentional on the part of Honda to reap some big benefits.
11-27-2006, 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by pits200
Our cars seem to be off by between 3-4%, more than anything, it is the principal of the matter. I know that if I was trying to sell my car with 90,000 miles instead of 93,000, its not going to make much of a difference. But think of this in terms of big Company Money.
I think that extra 9,000 mile tranny warranty cost Acura a ton of money. Now imagine if they got cars to overestimate by 4,000 miles so it reaches the 100,000/109,000 mile mark faster.
And what about when most cars were still within their basic bumper to bumper warranty up to 50,000 miles. That means people were only getting a 48,000 mile warranty.
To the average consumer, that isn't a big deal. But to large companies like Honday, those 2,000 miles are like gold. Imagine how much money they saved by denying customer claims for someone who was just out of their 50,000/100,000 mile warranty.
Once again, this isn't that big of a deal to the average driver, but in my opinion, this was intentional on the part of Honda to reap some big benefits.
I think that extra 9,000 mile tranny warranty cost Acura a ton of money. Now imagine if they got cars to overestimate by 4,000 miles so it reaches the 100,000/109,000 mile mark faster.
And what about when most cars were still within their basic bumper to bumper warranty up to 50,000 miles. That means people were only getting a 48,000 mile warranty.
To the average consumer, that isn't a big deal. But to large companies like Honday, those 2,000 miles are like gold. Imagine how much money they saved by denying customer claims for someone who was just out of their 50,000/100,000 mile warranty.
Once again, this isn't that big of a deal to the average driver, but in my opinion, this was intentional on the part of Honda to reap some big benefits.
So you're saying that Honda/Acura intentionally made the odometers in all of their cars over count, before they realized that the transmissions were
? A lot of the '01s were made in '00. And people didn't start having transmission problems until after that...
11-27-2006, 10:56 AM
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So you're saying that Honda/Acura intentionally made the odometers in all of their cars over count, before they realized that the transmissions were ? A lot of the '01s were made in '00. And people didn't start having transmission problems until after that...
? A lot of the '01s were made in '00. And people didn't start having transmission problems until after that...This really does bug me how my expectations of the car were not upheld. Oh well, the Lexus in the family is having bigger issues and we expected even more from it.
11-27-2006, 10:56 AM
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I am not saying that they knew about the faulty trannies, that was a byproduct of other issues and now it will inevitably lead to Acura saving money due to this mileage issue because they are not actually honoring the full warranty that they are suppose to.
But lets just use the factory warranty as an example. They were able to cut off 2,000 miles per vehicle because of the false odometer reading.
You don't think that is justification enough for them to push the limits?
But lets just use the factory warranty as an example. They were able to cut off 2,000 miles per vehicle because of the false odometer reading.
You don't think that is justification enough for them to push the limits?
11-27-2006, 11:48 AM
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my odo reads the exact same as my odo in my 98 accord and my 94 accord all three cars show 5.2 miles from where I get gas to where I work.
you guys act as if the world was ending....a lot of things can and do affect the odo reading
new versus old tires, tire diameter, VSS signal quality.....
I made a trip from my house to my parents house mapquest stated 710.8 miles and my odo read 711 on my 98 and 711 on my CL type S
Honda just had to settle another lawsuit where someone claimed that their odo could be off by +3.75% and Honda has a settlement that will alllow all warranties to be extended by 5% in addition to making reimbursement to leasee if they are over milage
you guys act as if the world was ending....a lot of things can and do affect the odo reading
new versus old tires, tire diameter, VSS signal quality.....
I made a trip from my house to my parents house mapquest stated 710.8 miles and my odo read 711 on my 98 and 711 on my CL type S
Honda just had to settle another lawsuit where someone claimed that their odo could be off by +3.75% and Honda has a settlement that will alllow all warranties to be extended by 5% in addition to making reimbursement to leasee if they are over milage
11-27-2006, 12:50 PM
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I don't understand how you can be so accurate when calculating a 711 mile trip. Because mapquest won't account for when you have to deviate from the route to get gas, use the restroom, or just take a break. Unless you made no rest area stops and didn't switch lanes alot, its hard to imagine that a 700+ mile trip can only be off by .2 miles. Regardless of odometer issues, no trip over a certain distance will consistantly be the same because of numerous driving factors.
3.75% is a high deviation from the norm. If you are running stock sized tires and they are not completely bald with wires hanging out of the sidewall, your odometer should not be off this much. I want everyone to test it themselves and make their own decision.
3.75% is a high deviation from the norm. If you are running stock sized tires and they are not completely bald with wires hanging out of the sidewall, your odometer should not be off this much. I want everyone to test it themselves and make their own decision.
11-27-2006, 01:03 PM
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Also, what about the people who had insurance checks cut for their totaled vehicles.
To a private party seller, 3,000 miles isnt going to make much of a difference in price.
For example, my gf had her car totaled about a month ago and it had 82,500 miles on it.
NADA valued the car at $15,400 with that amount of miles.
If her car had 79,500 miles, the car would have been valued at $15,775.
So she got ripped off by $375 because the adjuster based the mileage on the odometer reading.
To a private party seller, 3,000 miles isnt going to make much of a difference in price.
For example, my gf had her car totaled about a month ago and it had 82,500 miles on it.
NADA valued the car at $15,400 with that amount of miles.
If her car had 79,500 miles, the car would have been valued at $15,775.
So she got ripped off by $375 because the adjuster based the mileage on the odometer reading.
11-27-2006, 03:41 PM
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I dont have a warranty so this doesnt affect me TOO much. A friend of mine is a manager at the Acura dealership in my town. I was talking to him about it and he said they never heard a thing about this. I gave him the pdf files from the other thread but havent talked to him yet about it. The only positive thing for me being the second owner is that my engine really has less miles on it
11-27-2006, 03:49 PM
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Think of the indirect ways it effects you. Most tires you buy have a mileage warranty on them for XX,XXX amount of miles.
They base this from the point you buy the tires till the point you need replacements. Guess what>>> You will reach that tire warranty mileage higher than you really should have.
Its just messed up anyway you look at it.
They base this from the point you buy the tires till the point you need replacements. Guess what>>> You will reach that tire warranty mileage higher than you really should have.
Its just messed up anyway you look at it.
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Alright well I never actually was able to read the forums in the orginal post they wouldnt open on my comp. Can someone tell me excately what cars this is covered under and what honda/acura is doing about it.