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Old Mar 14, 2012 | 06:08 PM
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Has anyone here tried differnt opening the 2nd stage at differnt rpm points besides stock 3800 ?
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Old Mar 14, 2012 | 07:43 PM
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Originally Posted by richardparker
Has anyone here tried differnt opening the 2nd stage at differnt rpm points besides stock 3800 ?
i think the tl type S is set at 3500 and this could be done with an RPM switch
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Old Mar 14, 2012 | 08:50 PM
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Waiting on hearing from a guy on cl for one that runs on moduels but he only has 3,5,7k pills. I will set it up with the 3k and go from there.
But I think i'm going to buy the 3-3800 set
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Old Mar 15, 2012 | 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by civicdrivr
I still dont think you get it, and unfortunately, I cannot put it into words as well as this article has - which incidentally enough, is where you got your Vette comparison. Way to cherry pic the facts, btw



If we delve deeper into that article, to where the Vette comparison shows up, you'll see this bit of useful info:



http://www.hondahookup.com/info/hors..._vs_torque.php


So your saying there is something wrong with using a comparison from another site relevant to our conversation that EXACTLY explains my point? hmm weird.

Anyway...different spots in the RPM band would be interesting to see the butterflys open at...VTEC would probably sound/feel much louder if they opened around 4.8k-5k.... but with our gearing (6spd esp) being so short i think them being open or deleted and ported a bit would be most beneficial because we never really drop out of 5-5.5k when shifting @ redline.
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Old Mar 15, 2012 | 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by 03CLSMT
So your saying there is something wrong with using a comparison from another site relevant to our conversation that EXACTLY explains my point? hmm weird.
No, but:

1) cherry picking facts from that article is

and

2) not using it as a source

Way to skirt the topic at hand though
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Old Mar 15, 2012 | 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by civicdrivr
No, but:

1) cherry picking facts from that article is

and

2) not using it as a source

Way to skirt the topic at hand though
Im sorry Professor, would you like me to use MLA style format next time... I really hope your joking, or your just a stubborn douche.
What topic would you like to talk about? I'll be more than happy to provide more evidence on why power>tq in straight line speed and use my "sources" and your cute "Cherry picking" phrase in MLA style format. ""

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Old Mar 15, 2012 | 03:16 PM
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when you say power, are you referring to HP or a combination of both HP and TQ? Cause "power" is not specific enough.

Like I said earlier, TQ is a measurement of power as well as HP.

Originally Posted by typeR
i think the tl type S is set at 3500 and this could be done with an RPM switch
It's 3800 for the J32A2.
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Old Mar 15, 2012 | 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by 03CLSMT
Im sorry Professor, would you like me to use MLA style format next time... I really hope your joking, or your just a stubborn douche.
Yep, thats me. Just a stubborn douche.

Originally Posted by 03CLSMT
What topic would you like to talk about? I'll be more than happy to provide more evidence on why power>tq in straight line speed and use my "sources" and your cute "Cherry picking" phrase in MLA style format. ""
By all means, post away. Id love to see more evidence. Who knows, if your argument actually holds any water, we all might learn something

Originally Posted by aznboi2424
when you say power, are you referring to HP or a combination of both HP and TQ? Cause "power" is not specific enough.
In his first comment on the topic, he said horsepower. Unless of course he changed his stance.

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Old Mar 15, 2012 | 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by aznboi2424
when you say power, are you referring to HP or a combination of both HP and TQ? Cause "power" is not specific enough.

Like I said earlier, TQ is a measurement of power as well as HP.



It's 3800 for the J32A2.
i know ours are 3800 i was refering to the new TLs shoulda been more clear sorry... looked it up looks like newer tl/tlshawd are set at 3950/4000

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Old Mar 15, 2012 | 03:29 PM
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Yea, I think his argument is HP vs TQ. It's been discussed many times online in other forums. I'm dropping it, I rather have both because you do need both.
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Old Mar 15, 2012 | 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by aznboi2424
Yea, I think his argument is HP vs TQ. It's been discussed many times online in other forums. I'm dropping it, I rather have both because you do need both.
I think the biggest thing that may not be clear to someone is the power delivery.

To bring up the tractor argument from the previous page, the diesel engines rev to ~5k rpm at most and have the bulk of the torque before 2k rpms. The gearing is usually longer, but you're still shifting quite often to keep it accelerating. Thats why big rigs have many gears.

The article posted on the previous page delves into that regarding the Vette argument. Yes the LT1 makes more horsepower while the torque stays the same, but the torque peaks at a higher RPM on the LT1 then it does on the L99, so it pulls harder at higher RPMs.

Its just not correct in saying horsepower is better then torque. If it was, we'd all have high-revving 4 cylinders powering our cars.
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Old Mar 15, 2012 | 04:50 PM
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There are great arguments from both sides, believe what you will. I got better things to do in life then worry about this crap especially since I'm not a mechanic for NASCAR.
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Old Mar 15, 2012 | 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by aznboi2424
There are great arguments from both sides, believe what you will. I got better things to do in life then worry about this crap especially since I'm not a mechanic for NASCAR.
And with the voice of reason, I am out of this as well.
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Old Mar 15, 2012 | 05:24 PM
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Old Mar 15, 2012 | 07:10 PM
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way to "skirt" the topic if your getting out civic!!!! haha jk

Hey someones gotta add some liveliness to the forum its pretty slow sometimes.

good day all.
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Old Mar 15, 2012 | 07:31 PM
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ahh what the hey, for you as well
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