provench

OK here's the situation- all cars are stock except the TT has a replacement exhaust that gives ~5-10HP.

So should I give them a run? These are both my buddies and we should be able to be honest with the results (as honest as an off the cuff back road race can be).

I hope them having to shift puts the pressure on them and I can pull away strong

Course if I lose I will just have to convince my wife that is MUST have the Comptech headers and Xephyr CAI

Curious on wagers of the outcome for 1st, 2nd, 3rd ... thoughts?

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CLpower

whats a 225 TT?

MikeS 18

CL - shame on you: Audi Roadster - the thing that looks like some one sat on a VW bug.

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mrdeeno

wager small, and lose intentionally and get the headers and cai.

then wager your house, race again, kick ass, and convince your wife that she should never doubt you again as a result.

provench

Hey - we may have a winner

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Mike

If they're good drivers:

s2000
cls & audi. too close to call imo. edge goes to the TT based on exhaust upgrade.

if they're average drivers:
cls
s2000
audi

Make sure you race from a stop so they'll have to get a good launch.


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4SFEDTT

You will lose to both. Unless they are bad drivers. And if you really want to lose badly you will race them in the twisties. You will soon find out how poorly your car handles.

Cheers!

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'01 Audi TT Quattro Coupe 225hp - Vorsprung durch Technik

stangsrlame

Its funny, I originally thought the Audi TT was a decent, different looking car, but everyone I talk to thinks that it is really silly looking vehicle that is so similar to the vw bug to render it laughable. I guess that for the money you pay, it should definitely be more distinguishable from a vw. And by the way we have people on this board that have beaten a TT...But hey you can believe whatever you want about the race results...And in the meantime, keep driving that Bug,errr I mean TT.

4SFEDTT

Its funny, I originally thought the Acura CL was a decent, different looking car, but everyone I talk to thinks that it is really ugly as shít and that it is so similar to the Honda Accord to render it laughable. I guess that for the money you pay, it should definitely be more distinguishable from a Honda. Get a life.


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'01 Audi TT Quattro Coupe 225hp - Vorsprung durch Technik

Nashua_Night_Hawk

TT guy?

U have the coupe why u did not get the Audi S4 Quattro, that thing u r in is a coffin... too tiny. As if you are living in a cow boy's boot!

And stop bashing Acura CL-S they are damm fine cars. Yours is a not a Porshe either!

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SilverCL225hp

That would be fun, but don't race too fast man, always be careful.

Nashua_Night_Hawk

One thing, a lousy 2.0, 4-Cylinder, NO turbo, poor Honada S2000 will kick your candy ass big time, even in the twisties., heh heh heh

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4SFEDTT

No one is really bashing your car. Actually I do think it is a damn fine car. Luxurious, reliable and fairly quick. However I don't think you can disagree that your car handles poorly. Because it does. You can call the TT a squashed bug..or whatever you want. But when it comes down to it, it outperforms your CL and just about every level, and will attract the opposite sex while doing it.


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'01 Audi TT Quattro Coupe 225hp - Vorsprung durch Technik

ttarheel

I bought a TT quattro over the CL Type S--the CL is a nice enough car, but it looks like just another Honda, has a plastic-wood, pedestrian interior, and handles like an Accord with stiff shocks. I drove the CL Type S twice, for a total time of about two hours.

My TT gets smiles and thumbs up everywhere I go. The quality of materials and assembly, as well as the thoughtful engineering sitll impress me. And, although I'm not a racer or a gambler, I'm sure it'll beat either a CL or an S2000 anytime it rains.

They're both very good cars, but if you haven't driven both, you don't know how different they are. Oh, but I don't have that rear view mirror that tilts when you back up!

4SFEDTT

Honda prides itself on it's horsepower per liter technology. But the car lacks torque severely. Driving it to it's full potential is a task without reving the living daylights out of it. I'm pretty sure if Audi or even any other car company wanted to simulate the same technology they would. VTEC isn't rocket science to automotive engineers. Some car companies favor torque and power on tap instead of high rev's and fancy horsepower per liter. See the difference?

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'01 Audi TT Quattro Coupe 225hp - Vorsprung durch Technik

CLpower

well if you woulda said TT roadster i woulda known what you meant

he got the baseball glove stitching?

tell him to chip it and spank all of you

Nashua_Night_Hawk

To be fair, Audi Cars are very nice german cars.. However, they can not compete with honda or japanese cars in general.

Also, Ur Audi is 4SFEDTT, so to have better comparison, compare urs to an S2000 + this Comptech "extra" <img src="http://solar.innercite.com/comptech/media/441500_installed.jpg" hspace=3 vspace=3 align=left >

And assure u u can still keep some extra $5,000 in the bank.

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4SFEDTT

Not sure where you are trying to go with your post. I'm not claiming to be better than an S2000. But since you seem to admire it so much, perhaps you should of purchased one instead of a CL.

Anyway, all three are fine cars, just the CL-S will lose this race. It's fact. Live with it. You are starting to bring in cars with $5000 worth of mods into this thread which is pretty lame. Really now, maybe you can add nitrous to that Comptech supercharger and really teach my TT a lesson huh?!!

Don't bother responding. I won't.


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'01 Audi TT Quattro Coupe 225hp - Vorsprung durch Technik

Nashua_Night_Hawk

Oh by the way, it does hurt to admit defeat, but it is not shamefull after all:

Read the "fresh" featured TT225 vs S2000 article at http://www.audiworld.com/ here's the link: http://www.audiworld.com/news/01/tt_s2000/index.html

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KavexTrax

dang, I think Acura needs to adopt the S2K
and demote the Teg to honda hehe
that would be interesting..

but then again, in Japan, they're all under
one roof.

I walk past a TT everyday in a lot across from my complex that I sometimes use. If i'm balsy enough i'll leave a note: Dare to try a CL-P?..
maybe I'm wishing to get spanked hehe

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ttechnology

Interesting posts, everyone. It would be nice, however, if you owned or had driven the cars you were disrespecting. Acura makes great cars, but there are other ones that are good too. Owner loyalty is important, but I think it goes too far when you decide that everyone that made a choice different from yours is idiotic. This, to me, is disappointing about your posts. I've owned most of the cars you've been talking about, and I can assure you that the TT is not to be taken lightly. To many, it looks funny. But looks can be deceiving.

With regard to the post below, check out Thanks Audi . This is story about a 50-55 mph crash where the occupant walked away with a scratch, the driver's door still opens and closes like the day it was delivered, and the dashboard and floor are unrippled. FYI, the Audi TT is the first car in the world to pass the tough Euro 2003 safety standards. So it's not a tin can as your post here would indicate.

Any car that generates 2+ hp per cubic inch is impressive. When it is tied to a reasonably performing car (without tweaks) that has AWD, and a flat torque curve between 2200 and 5700 RPM, it is even more impressive. As with Acura, the TT is a great platform from which to tweak. Chips, exhaust systems, etc only make a good car better. For $3-400 (group buy), I can chip a TT and take it to nearly 300hp. At that, few cars under $50k could touch it's performance.

Audi's racing heritage is strong and long. Quattro (Audi's traction system) has been banned from many motor racing circuits for being too good. Few cars can say the same.

Finally, try one out. It's very roomy and comfortable inside, unlike many sports cars. If you are 6'+, this is important. For no matter how good a car is, if you can't sit inside and drive - who cares? Fit and finish is also very good. Controls are well designed. Finally, Audi's 4 yr, 50k mi 100% paid maintenance warranty is hard to beat.

Yes, Acura is a great car. But many of the recently released 2002 coupes follow the lines of Audi. They must have something right.

In any event, I really enjoyed my Acura. Now I am having fun with my TT.

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alex2364

If VTEC isn't rocket science, then how come Honda was the 1st one that came up with the idea and technology? Now everyone is copying Honda...like Toyota with their VVTL-I and BMW with their VANOS...also I think Nissan or Mazda is coming up with another name.

BMW doesn't pride itself with huge horsepower per liter but it still has VANOS. In fact, most BMW engines have more torque than horsepower but they still copied Honda's idea. Why do you think that is? Is it maybe because it's a good technology?

All of Honda's VTEC engines don't have huge horsepower per liter. The CL-S has 260hp with 3.2L. That's 81.25hp per liter. Your TT has 125hp per liter, wayyy more than CL-S. How about torque? Your TT has only 207ft/lb vs. 232ft/lb

Water Rabbit

I think the TT is cool looking, but the squashed VW bug remark makes me laugh. I'll never be able to look at them the same way now.

Did they ever fix the suspension geometry problems that the original TT's had that made them want to flip over like SUV's?

H@mmerm@n

Jeez...what alternate dimension did all you T-T-Trolls spawn from at once? Instead of making bait-talking smack (4SFEDTT) and griping about peoples' opinions of favoring Acura CLs here (ttechnology), go find a TT bulletin board if you want to hear nothing but love for your car. Otherwise, take your aimless posturing to IS300.net...you'll be a star.

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ttechnology

Yes, in mid-2000. A $500 fix. But rear end lift was only a problem at 120+, in extreme conditions, with folks that weren't experienced high speed drivers.

4SFEDTT

So what??? Congratulations Honda for developing VTEC. It's a fantastic technology, but like I said: It isn't rocket science to automotive engineers.

Quote:

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">..they still copied Honda's idea. Why do you think that is? Is it maybe because it's a good technology?

I'm about 100% sure it's a good technology. In fact variable valve timing is great! However it's undeniable that Honda 4 cylinders lack torque. This is fact.

Quote:

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">All of Honda's VTEC engines don't have huge horsepower per liter. The CL-S has 260hp with 3.2L. That's 81.25hp per liter. Your TT has 125hp per liter, wayyy more than CL-S. How about torque? Your TT has only 207ft/lb vs. 232ft/lb

What's your point? I don't think I said all Honda VTEC's have huge horsepower per liter. Perhaps you should read the sentences a bit more carefully. Honda does pride itself on hp per liter on some of their engines. GSR/Type R/S2000 for example.



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'01 Audi TT Quattro Coupe 225hp - Vorsprung durch Technik

ttechnology

I assure you, my interest is not to start an argument. I learn a lot from many forums, including this one. The original question was: Friendly Race -- CLS vs S2000 vs 225TT. How "squashed bug", etc stays on topic and answers question posed, I don't know.

so cal type s_RENAMED

if you're going to buy a tt, you should have saved thousands less and bought the geo metro. same thing.

i mean? what's the difference? is there one? oh wait, the tt has floormats? right?

so cal type s_RENAMED

hey i found some tt's for sale!

A 1997 TT for ONLY $4,125 as suggested in the blue book! look!

http://carpoint.msn.com/vip/overview/geo/metro/used.asp

oh wait, damn?! i get those tt's and geo metro's mixed up. my bad.

H@mmerm@n

The "squashed bug" comment may not have been on topic...granted. But, this is an Acura CL forum - the majority of regular posters here are CL owners or are planning to acquire one in the near future. Part of the camraderie posters here share is "tawking amongst ourselves" about our cars and making occasional (justified and irrational) disses
at other manufacturers cars. So, if you feel the need to defend the honor of your TT, you're not likely to "win friends and influence people" if you choose to do so here.

Cheers,
mc

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aeon

It seems too mamy people here are trying to live through their cars. As if the characteristics of their cars somehow have something to do with them as a person. None of the cars mentioned are sports cars so why compare them as such? And why exactly does it matter what someone else is going to say about the car that you obviously favored over others, it is YOUR car, let them drive whatever it is that they want and be happy with YOUR car. Life is too short to worry about what the neighbors think about your Audi/Acura/BMW/Lexus/Mercedes/Infiniti. You like it? So be it. My .02

ttechnology

Point well taken.

Signed,
TT owner strongly considering replacing a '92 Passat with an '01 CL.

Water Rabbit

Kiss-Kiss.

dAve_TT

howdie,

another tt-owner here, but I'm not going to bash your s2k, because I think it's a great ride. I guess that on a good road or circuit the standard s2k is going to be faster than the standard TT if both driven by good drivers. On bumpy/bad roads or rain, snow, ice etc the quattro system will outperform the s2k, no doubt about that. So if i would buy a car for racing on circuit, i'd go for the s2k, if i'd want it for everyday reallife use in all weather/road conditions like i do now, i'd choose the TT. which i did ; ) That's my opinion. I must confess that i was tempted buying an S2k just because i hardly ever see one over here, while i see tt's every day.

and what's a CL-S anyway? i'm from europe, so the acura/honda thing is not very clear to me : ) is it what we call a honda NSX?

hope you don't mind me putting my thoughts here, because i sure don't mean to disrespect your cars, TT and S2k are both great cars, and i'm not going to bash any car just because i own a car that's supposed to be a competitor for it...

greetz, dAve


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Arthur Hunter

I thought the "Quattro" system present in the Audi TT is not the same as the quattro system found in the Audi A4/S4/A6/A8. Even the 4-motion from Volkswagen is basically a re-naming of the Quattro present in the A4/S4/A6/A8...but the "Quattro" present in the Audi TT, is different and not as effective as the others, from what I heard.....only the name "Quattro" is the same....is it true ?!!!

Also, the "real" Quattro, adds a lot of weight (even though extremely effective otherwise), which takes your mileage into a nose-dive, from what I understand. Correct me if I am wrong, but from what I heard, Audi is working on a lighter version for improving mileage of the car and also reducing the ponderous weight of the "Quattro" system....



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btaylor18

The S2000 will spank both of you, it's nearly as fast as an M3. Then the Audi will beat the CL, bc it's a stick and is rear wheel drive.

eric

The TT is a fast car, granted, but only when launched with revs up. When launched normally, it takes the turbos time to spool up. Car and Driver did a comparison a while ago, and the TT couldn't even touch the S2K. The S2K was .4 faster to 60. But with a standing street start (5mph to 60mph), it blew the TT away. It took the TT 7.6 seconds and the S2K 6.5 seconds. However, TTs are nice cars, beautiful. Technology wise, these cars offer different technology. It's not that difficult to keep the Hondas in VTEC range because their gearings are so perfect. The TT and the CLS would be close. But remember, we have auto tranny, and the TT has stick. It's hard to achieve Car and Driver times with a stick unless you are really good. Our auto tranny can do most of our work for us. Different cars, different purposes.

provench

So - got it - tell them they need to be careful of their tires and launch at about 1100rpm's ... then I smoke them with SS

Thanks for the tips - I think my friend with the TT Roadster 225 and I are gonna have some fun ...

Now I just need to work on a won't-kill-my-car start technique ... ;-)

Later

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mrdeeno

the tt is NOT rwd, it's either fwd or awd.

and with a stick is the reason it may or may not beat the cl-s, 'cuz the driver's gotta shift perfectly.