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Follow up to my transmission Woes...
OK folks I wanted to keep everyone in the loop about my transmission issues, It did end on a good note. I had my transmission replaced under warranty, but was told by the Acura rep this was a one time deal and done under Acura's 'Good Faith'. If my transmission fails again I guess I am SOL (or better have some serious proof it was mechanical and a defect).
I've deduced a couple of things from this;
A) If you plan on going to the 1/4 mile to test out that 1/4 time be prepared should your transmission fail to not have it covered under warranty. Appparently that traction additive (can't remmember the damned name of it) is some sticky shit and no matter how hard you wash the car chances are you will have residue left over that they can use to prove that the warranty is now Null and Void.
B) These transmissions were not built to take much more than 'Regular driving', I was thinking about a SC but now I don't think so. I'm thinking it will eat the tranny alive and spit out the leftovers and eat that for breakfast. The transmission is definetly going to need a 'Bullet Proofing' to handle th type of Torque that we're wanting out of the SC.
Oh well I guess I was the one that god decided to choose as a 'Martyr' for the cause
I got a new tranny out of it, and I think they are sending my old one to get broken down and overhauled to see why it failed.
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I've deduced a couple of things from this;
A) If you plan on going to the 1/4 mile to test out that 1/4 time be prepared should your transmission fail to not have it covered under warranty. Appparently that traction additive (can't remmember the damned name of it) is some sticky shit and no matter how hard you wash the car chances are you will have residue left over that they can use to prove that the warranty is now Null and Void.
B) These transmissions were not built to take much more than 'Regular driving', I was thinking about a SC but now I don't think so. I'm thinking it will eat the tranny alive and spit out the leftovers and eat that for breakfast. The transmission is definetly going to need a 'Bullet Proofing' to handle th type of Torque that we're wanting out of the SC.
Oh well I guess I was the one that god decided to choose as a 'Martyr' for the cause
I got a new tranny out of it, and I think they are sending my old one to get broken down and overhauled to see why it failed.
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by JSuppi:
...... I think they are sending my old one to get broken down and overhauled to see why it failed.
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...... I think they are sending my old one to get broken down and overhauled to see why it failed.
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by rwwlaw:
That's bullshit! End of discussion!!!!!!!!</font>
That's bullshit! End of discussion!!!!!!!!</font>
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by rwwlaw:
That's bullshit! End of discussion!!!!!!!!</font>
That's bullshit! End of discussion!!!!!!!!</font>
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There is NO possible way they can prove that the car was at a track! I have been to E-Town many times and NEVER had a problem with track deposits on my cars! If you told them, well that's another story!
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Ive heard that one time..good will bullshit from Acura before. In their eyes.you were at fault. I wouldnt take that as an answer considering you didnt do anything wrong.
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John, how many times did you take your car to the track?
That's a REALYY WEAK position for acura to take.
They give us 260 horses and do not expect us to use them???
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Mike:
John, how many times did you take your car to the track?
That's a REALYY WEAK position for acura to take.
They give us 260 horses and do not expect us to use them???
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John, how many times did you take your car to the track?
That's a REALYY WEAK position for acura to take.
They give us 260 horses and do not expect us to use them???
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I hope this is an exception and not the rule. I'm gonna be watching for tranny problems like a hawk and if they start popping up very frequently this car is history!!
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by rwwlaw:
That's bullshit! End of discussion!!!!!!!!</font>
That's bullshit! End of discussion!!!!!!!!</font>
exactamundo. honda/acura is always bragging about their cars being race inspired this and formula one technology that. do they expect us to just take their word for it? hells no. that's the reason why i bought the freaken car and i'm going to rip shit up from time to time.if you say your engines are formula one derived, then your engines better back that sh*t up. f*ck that one time deal bullsh*t. if my tranny needs to be replaced again before my warranty expires, acura is picking up the bill.
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i dont think the honda/acura trannys are that well built. i even think its one of the weakest links the car has. the motor is strong and could take a banging but the tranny is weak. i've seen american SUV's drop trannys by the second year.
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by JSuppi:
OK folks I wanted to keep everyone in the loop about my transmission issues, It did end on a good note. I had my transmission replaced under warranty, but was told by the Acura rep this was a one time deal and done under Acura's 'Good Faith'. If my transmission fails again I guess I am SOL (or better have some serious proof it was mechanical and a defect).
I've deduced a couple of things from this;
A) If you plan on going to the 1/4 mile to test out that 1/4 time be prepared should your transmission fail to not have it covered under warranty. Appparently that traction additive (can't remmember the damned name of it) is some sticky shit and no matter how hard you wash the car chances are you will have residue left over that they can use to prove that the warranty is now Null and Void.
B) These transmissions were not built to take much more than 'Regular driving', I was thinking about a SC but now I don't think so. I'm thinking it will eat the tranny alive and spit out the leftovers and eat that for breakfast. The transmission is definetly going to need a 'Bullet Proofing' to handle th type of Torque that we're wanting out of the SC.
Oh well I guess I was the one that god decided to choose as a 'Martyr' for the cause
I got a new tranny out of it, and I think they are sending my old one to get broken down and overhauled to see why it failed.
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OK folks I wanted to keep everyone in the loop about my transmission issues, It did end on a good note. I had my transmission replaced under warranty, but was told by the Acura rep this was a one time deal and done under Acura's 'Good Faith'. If my transmission fails again I guess I am SOL (or better have some serious proof it was mechanical and a defect).
I've deduced a couple of things from this;
A) If you plan on going to the 1/4 mile to test out that 1/4 time be prepared should your transmission fail to not have it covered under warranty. Appparently that traction additive (can't remmember the damned name of it) is some sticky shit and no matter how hard you wash the car chances are you will have residue left over that they can use to prove that the warranty is now Null and Void.
B) These transmissions were not built to take much more than 'Regular driving', I was thinking about a SC but now I don't think so. I'm thinking it will eat the tranny alive and spit out the leftovers and eat that for breakfast. The transmission is definetly going to need a 'Bullet Proofing' to handle th type of Torque that we're wanting out of the SC.
Oh well I guess I was the one that god decided to choose as a 'Martyr' for the cause
I got a new tranny out of it, and I think they are sending my old one to get broken down and overhauled to see why it failed.
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So I guess this means if I start having problems with my tranny I should take it to another dealer? Thats bullshit that I can't take my car to the drag strip. So does this mean if I have my tranny fail I get at least one free one?
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Kuroi:
JSuppi - which dealer was it?</font>
JSuppi - which dealer was it?</font>
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by WebToker:
So I guess this means if I start having problems with my tranny I should take it to another dealer? Thats bullshit that I can't take my car to the drag strip. So does this mean if I have my tranny fail I get at least one free one?
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So I guess this means if I start having problems with my tranny I should take it to another dealer? Thats bullshit that I can't take my car to the drag strip. So does this mean if I have my tranny fail I get at least one free one?
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Sorry I missed you on IM, I don't know if taking it to another dealership will help out. Seems that the Acura rep that told me this is responsible for all the dealerships in a tri-state.
Since you don't have that many miles on your ride you might be able to cut it off before any serious damage is done (if the 1/4 is what caused my failure to begin with). To be on the safe side i'd probably avoid going back out there, and if you decide that keep on going; make DAMN sure you clean your wheel wells of any traction additive deposits, or rubber residue before you take the car in.
I'm thinking that power braking eventually led to the failure so my best advice for anyone and everyone in here is to 'NOT DO IT'.
Just my .02$ and wanted to let my fellow CLer's now of what my experience has been, and to hopefully not put anyone else in the same predicament (it was a downright bitch) that I had to endure.
I'm starting to think the dealership service was not all that bad, but considering the fact that they are going through a transitional time from loosing one of their more prominent service reps. I don't know only the future will tell.
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A racetrack is a legal establishment where you can race your car. Acura has no say where and how you can drive your car. Bottom line you should be able to track that car whenever you feel like it. BULLSHIT!
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by eclipse23:
A racetrack is a legal establishment where you can race your car. Acura has no say where and how you can drive your car. Bottom line you should be able to track that car whenever you feel like it. BULLSHIT!
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A racetrack is a legal establishment where you can race your car. Acura has no say where and how you can drive your car. Bottom line you should be able to track that car whenever you feel like it. BULLSHIT!
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Insurance doesn't pay for an accident in racing... So why should Acura's warranty? It was not designed to race. Therefore its not covered under warranty. Makes perfect sense to me.
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Scorpius:
Insurance doesn't pay for an accident in racing... So why should Acura's warranty? It was not designed to race. Therefore its not covered under warranty. Makes perfect sense to me.
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Insurance doesn't pay for an accident in racing... So why should Acura's warranty? It was not designed to race. Therefore its not covered under warranty. Makes perfect sense to me.
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by eclipse23:
Scorpius you amaze me once again with your AWESOME insight.
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What is the fucking difference between me going WOT on a road then on a track? If the engine and tranny can't handle the stress then it simply should be designed not to allow it. Just for your info our tranny's our supposively reinforced. Now tell me again why I should not be able to floor it in my car without thinking of warranties?
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Yeah, Eclipse man, you're right. I drove my CL off of a cliff, and those bastards said warranty wouldn't cover it WTF!!!
Warranty only covers things damaged during reasonable use, and apparently, Acura doesn't think driving your car like a Formula 1 racer is reasonable.
Go figure.
Warranty only covers things damaged during reasonable use, and apparently, Acura doesn't think driving your car like a Formula 1 racer is reasonable.
Go figure.
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by crrink:
Yeah, Eclipse man, you're right. I drove my CL off of a cliff, and those bastards said warranty wouldn't cover it WTF!!!
Warranty only covers things damaged during reasonable use, and apparently, Acura doesn't think driving your car like a Formula 1 racer is reasonable.
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Yeah, Eclipse man, you're right. I drove my CL off of a cliff, and those bastards said warranty wouldn't cover it WTF!!!
Warranty only covers things damaged during reasonable use, and apparently, Acura doesn't think driving your car like a Formula 1 racer is reasonable.
Go figure.</font>
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by eclipse23:
Don't you think your taking it to the extreme? Did I say I was modding the shit out of it or driving it off road? NO. Does anyone on this forum see my point of view? If I want to push my car why can't I comfortably? Then WHY THE FUCK did I buy a sporty version of my car?
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Don't you think your taking it to the extreme? Did I say I was modding the shit out of it or driving it off road? NO. Does anyone on this forum see my point of view? If I want to push my car why can't I comfortably? Then WHY THE FUCK did I buy a sporty version of my car?
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by JSuppi:
I agree with you, but needless to say i'm not going to bitch considering they didn't make me buy another 3k-4k transmission.
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I agree with you, but needless to say i'm not going to bitch considering they didn't make me buy another 3k-4k transmission.
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by JSuppi:
I agree with you, but needless to say i'm not going to bitch considering they didn't make me buy another 3k-4k transmission.
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I agree with you, but needless to say i'm not going to bitch considering they didn't make me buy another 3k-4k transmission.
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Ok... (crouching down, looking fervently side to side)- yes our cars are performance vehicles. They are built for performance driving. Can you race them? Sure. Will Acura warranty what you break by racing? Maybe- as we have seen- it depends on the rep. I will say this- if you take the time to read the entire warranty, you will see a disclaimer saying something to the effect about not being in effect if the vehicle is used for racing. That doesn't mean mods in my opinion, that means going to the track and having at it. Should our cars be able to stand it- sure- up to a point. That point is the grey area. Its great that the rep in the above case choose to repair the vehicle even though there was evidence of racing. Was he required to, no. This does not seem to be the norm for all the Manufacturers. Acura, caring as they do for their customers, seems to be willing to at least help. Bottom line- do what you want- do it responsibly, and be prepared for what may occur.
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by wayneg:
Ok... (crouching down, looking fervently side to side)- yes our cars are performance vehicles. They are built for performance driving. Can you race them? Sure. Will Acura warranty what you break by racing? Maybe- as we have seen- it depends on the rep. I will say this- if you take the time to read the entire warranty, you will see a disclaimer saying something to the effect about not being in effect if the vehicle is used for racing. That doesn't mean mods in my opinion, that means going to the track and having at it. Should our cars be able to stand it- sure- up to a point. That point is the grey area. Its great that the rep in the above case choose to repair the vehicle even though there was evidence of racing. Was he required to, no. This does not seem to be the norm for all the Manufacturers. Acura, caring as they do for their customers, seems to be willing to at least help. Bottom line- do what you want- do it responsibly, and be prepared for what may occur.
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Ok... (crouching down, looking fervently side to side)- yes our cars are performance vehicles. They are built for performance driving. Can you race them? Sure. Will Acura warranty what you break by racing? Maybe- as we have seen- it depends on the rep. I will say this- if you take the time to read the entire warranty, you will see a disclaimer saying something to the effect about not being in effect if the vehicle is used for racing. That doesn't mean mods in my opinion, that means going to the track and having at it. Should our cars be able to stand it- sure- up to a point. That point is the grey area. Its great that the rep in the above case choose to repair the vehicle even though there was evidence of racing. Was he required to, no. This does not seem to be the norm for all the Manufacturers. Acura, caring as they do for their customers, seems to be willing to at least help. Bottom line- do what you want- do it responsibly, and be prepared for what may occur.
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I guess its tru what they say. You never win with racing. I think I picked a wrong hobby =)
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06-01-2001, 05:40 PM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by wayneg:
Ok... (crouching down, looking fervently side to side)- yes our cars are performance vehicles. They are built for performance driving. Can you race them? Sure. Will Acura warranty what you break by racing? Maybe- as we have seen- it depends on the rep. I will say this- if you take the time to read the entire warranty, you will see a disclaimer saying something to the effect about not being in effect if the vehicle is used for racing. That doesn't mean mods in my opinion, that means going to the track and having at it. Should our cars be able to stand it- sure- up to a point. That point is the grey area. Its great that the rep in the above case choose to repair the vehicle even though there was evidence of racing. Was he required to, no. This does not seem to be the norm for all the Manufacturers. Acura, caring as they do for their customers, seems to be willing to at least help. Bottom line- do what you want- do it responsibly, and be prepared for what may occur.
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Ok... (crouching down, looking fervently side to side)- yes our cars are performance vehicles. They are built for performance driving. Can you race them? Sure. Will Acura warranty what you break by racing? Maybe- as we have seen- it depends on the rep. I will say this- if you take the time to read the entire warranty, you will see a disclaimer saying something to the effect about not being in effect if the vehicle is used for racing. That doesn't mean mods in my opinion, that means going to the track and having at it. Should our cars be able to stand it- sure- up to a point. That point is the grey area. Its great that the rep in the above case choose to repair the vehicle even though there was evidence of racing. Was he required to, no. This does not seem to be the norm for all the Manufacturers. Acura, caring as they do for their customers, seems to be willing to at least help. Bottom line- do what you want- do it responsibly, and be prepared for what may occur.
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I appreciate you chiming in like that
You've got gusto man, and I wish more and more wanting to have you and your folks service my vehicle. Like i've said before this car was not made to be raced, it's not a race car 
(I'm going to get falmed for that one).I've heard a saying, and I am pretty sure many of you have. It goes something like this; You should race your race car, and not your everyday car (I know I butchered that but what the hell). I've heard stories of BMW not warrantying (sp??) M3's and M5's just because of that. They weren't meant to be raced (yeah like whatever, look at these things and they don't expect them to be raced).
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06-01-2001, 05:42 PM
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They can only imply the disclaimer if you tell them that it's been on the track.
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by JSuppi:
Wayne,
I appreciate you chiming in like that You've got gusto man, and I wish more and more wanting to have you and your folks service my vehicle. Like i've said before this car was not made to be raced, it's not a race car (I'm going to get falmed for that one).
I've heard a saying, and I am pretty sure many of you have. It goes something like this; You should race your race car, and not your everyday car (I know I butchered that but what the hell). I've heard stories of BMW not warrantying (sp??) M3's and M5's just because of that. They weren't meant to be raced (yeah like whatever, look at these things and they don't expect them to be raced).
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Wayne,
I appreciate you chiming in like that
You've got gusto man, and I wish more and more wanting to have you and your folks service my vehicle. Like i've said before this car was not made to be raced, it's not a race car (I'm going to get falmed for that one).I've heard a saying, and I am pretty sure many of you have. It goes something like this; You should race your race car, and not your everyday car (I know I butchered that but what the hell). I've heard stories of BMW not warrantying (sp??) M3's and M5's just because of that. They weren't meant to be raced (yeah like whatever, look at these things and they don't expect them to be raced).
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2001 Cl-S Black on Black with Navigation
Black Tint all around (15%~45%)
Weapon-R Dragon Filter
Weapon-R Coil-Overs
Koni Adjustable Struts
Comptech Sway Bars
Comptech Headers (hehehe...I got something for you drchang!!)
14.698 @95.977mph....Sears Point Raceway.I think I need a Level 10 Torque Converter!!
Yes, I know I'm going to hell for wasting gas on Civics....
06-01-2001, 05:43 PM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by WebToker:
How does the new tranny feel? Does it still hesitate to shift into 3rd with the SS? Did they give you any instructions on how to break it in.
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How does the new tranny feel? Does it still hesitate to shift into 3rd with the SS? Did they give you any instructions on how to break it in.
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What are you nuts???
Geeze I haven't taken my car over 50 mph since i've gotten it back (a little exageration, but you know what I mean). They didn't tell me anything about breaking it in (terrible choice of words by the way 
). Needless to say i'm going to be taking it easy on it for awhile (unless Wayne, or someone else can tell me otherwise).------------------
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