so im getting my first oil change for my 3.2 in a week... but im probably only gonna have about 3300 miles on it by then.. think its ok? what about the whole deal with the break-in oil?

 

ya thas fine...

 

i got my cls first oil change when it hit only 1000 miles... been using mobil 1 5W~30W since

 

It can't hurt.

 

2nd vote on you will be fine.

And, you might get some different answers, and I would only agree to waiting till the 5000-mile period if:

You never drove the car over 2000 rpm during your 3300 miles (e.g. 55-70MPH of the freeway in D5 all the time), you also drove with an egg under your foot (grandma driving), and the car was less than 6-months old.

There is a debate that comes-and-goes about this issue and I could ramble on for at least 10-pages on the "whys" and "hows" the "5000" got chosen (it might as well have been picked at random, since everyone drives and breaks-in a car differently depending on their driving "style". (a long story)

-- my opinions here --

 

My first oil change to Mobil-1 5W-30 was a bit higher than yours, and I never need to top off (the oil level never goes down and the car has zero problems)....

 

thanks guys... yeah i drive in Chicago all day and traffic sucks so i think i should be ok with the oil change..

 

I thought the break in oil thing was bunk, but when I did my first oil change at 3k miles the oil I took out of the crank case was the most golden looking oil I had ever seen. It was either "special oil", or the car had 0 carbon by product in the first 3k miles. Since then the oil I put in golden colored always comes out dark colored 5k miles later.

 

I’m calling to schedule my first oil change today.
I just hit 3,600 miles this morning so I should be right around the target mileage of 3,750 by the time they have a loaner car available for me.

Shawn S

 

my Acura rep said 3K for the first change and 3500 - 3750 every time after that..your guy say anything different??? my guy specifically wrote in the manual next to the recommended intervals...i didn't think much of it at the time cept that it was considered break-in oil...shrug

 

i get my oil changed every 3 months or so...i NEVER have the mileage requirement

my 15K service was done at just over 14K...i had my 7,500 service done TWICE just to get me back on schedule (didn't work since im back to where i was )...i now just crossed 17K last night, and i was supposed to get my 18K service done last month

so i guess i get my oil changed every 2500 miles or so...this time, im gonna give the Mobil 1 SuperSync a shot

o yeah, just outta curiosity, would it make any difference if 1 uses Restore with less than 50K miles??? is it possible to repair damage to the cylinder walls from either not breaking in the engine properly or not allowing proper warmup??? i guess it's worth a shot since it can't hurt, right??

 

I’m not a big believer in the 3,000 mile change theory or Synthetic “oils”.
My Legend Coupe ran fine to 110,000-Miles and I only had it changed every 7,500.
And before that I put 93,000 on my Daytona Shelby-Z and that car had a 4-Cylinder Turbo.

I just do ALL the scheduled services at the dealer and oil changes every 7,500.

Shawn S

 

I agree. 20 years ago the quality of oils was such that it required 3k mile oil changes. Today's oils are so good and standards are so tightly adheared to that 7.5k mile oil changes are fine. Any dealer that advises a schedule less than that is trying to line his own pocket with service charges.

 

I change every 10k, next month I am sending my used oil to the lab for analysis. Synthetics are great for extended service. LAB Results are coming. 10k changes could be scary We'll see

 

yeah i was just wondering about this.... the manual says change every 7500 miles... it also says in the "break in" section specifically not to do your first oil change before the scheduled time... (7500 miles)... it sounds like good advice to listen to the manual?? at least for the first oil change? what do you guys think?

 

Since we are on the topic of oil changes... what is a great oil filter to use... I hit 1200 miles the other day I have not even checked the oil yet..... I keep procrastinating.... damn it I am gonna go do it now.... But let me know about the Filter.. Please.. I am gona do the work myself, like always...

Smitty
CJSmith1503@aol.com

 

You know the common quote reguarding oil changes "3 months or 3,000 miles"

Why 3 months?? Does oil go bad in your engine even if you dont drive??

 

well I don't think it goes bad but it gets dirty and the old timer mechanics used to change it every 3 months or 3000K miles .. whichever comes first... but the whole purpose of changing it is to get the dirt out ... did you ever notice how much faster or different your car feels after an oil change...?.. I know I can tell a difference.... or maybe I am just smoking something.. but like the others say, it is a good way to get repeat business at a dealership... regardless of what everyone says I change at mine at the 1500 mile mark and then every 3 months or 3000 miles afterwards... usually 3 months comes first for me...

Smitty

 

Very old school which I was a part of.

10k changes are very easy; Read in chods freq ask questions about synthetics, In 10 years everyone will be well informed about the merits of the proper synthetic oil and filter to use.

Use mobil1 with their Filter or the stuff listed below with their filter. I would say its name but some on this board name call me as a "Shill" what ever the he!! that is

http://www.amsoil.com/products/tso.html

 

I notice that you "make reference" to our little disagreement about "disclosure" and Mobil-1 bashing (do you just do it when you think nobody's looking?

And, then you say, "I would say its name but some on this board name call me as a "Shill" what ever the he!! "

But, you provide the AMSOL LINK!!!!

AND

Definition of Shill:

shill [shil] noun (plural shills)
1. pretended customer or gambler: somebody who pretends to be an interested customer or gambler in order to lure others into buying or gambling

2. self-interested promoter: somebody who promotes somebody or makes a sales pitch for something for reasons of self-interest

(see #2)

AND

Here is the a link to sign-up and become an Amsol dealer (AKA 'Prefered Customer'):

http://www.pecuniary.com/synthetics/opportunity.html

Excpert from the Amsoil link:

” Many people want to benefit from buying at wholesale, and have cars, trucks, boats, and othe equipment that use a lot of oil and filters over the course of a year. Many people also do oil changes and other work for extended family, but are not interested in being an AMSOIL Dealer and pursuing the business opportunity aspect of it. These people are idea for being a AMSOIL Preferred Customer. After registering as a Preferrd Customer with AMSOIL, they purchase their products directly from AMSOIL. Each time they purchase, their purchases are grouped with other purchases you and other of your Dealers and accounts purchase to determine your monthly commissions. You are not required to carry inventory, deliver product, or process their payments. Just let AMSOIL keep track of combined volumes and collect commissions…”

You might want to check out the Usenet groups and see what other Amsoil people are saying. Just hit Google and put in “Amsol bad” and check out the hits in the Groups – you will have enough reading for months. I have no truck with the product, just with the “propaganda”. (Try the various rec.auto.* groups and see what I’m talking about)

I will remind you that you did take a giant scoop out of Mobil’s ass on more than a few occasions, (I am disclosing that I am not affiliated with Mobil-1 in any way.)

You asked about some “links” to locate regarding “Amsol shilling”, please help yourself to the www.google.com and enter Amsol Bad

In fairness, I think that a large number of people represent themselves as Amsol dealers and comport themselves with dignity (no "brand" bashing). You don’t see them “bashing” other products that compete with Amsoil. However, there is a large group that insists on “evangelizing” the product. Since there is no “reseller permit” required, they can promote the stuff and need not disclose that they are making money off others when they “offer” to get some “buddies” some Amsol at a discount…


THIS IS FROM A GUY ON THE USENET (and check out the Amsol seller’s links). The following came from a Google search and it’s not mine:

“It is not unusual for lots of people to agree on the same bad ideas.
Pick up any history book for examples.

> Here are some links I found.
> http://home.earthlink.net/~ztrem/wizzo.htm

Oh yeah this site is real good.....looks like something a teenager put
together on his lunch hour. Typical Amsoil type ad. Long on hyperbole,
short on real facts.

> http://www.bigskyoil.com/FAQ/faq.htm (question #2)

Another Amsoil ad...why am I not surprised. As usual it includes
misleading information. I actually believe Amsoil Oil might be good
stuff. However, I hate their ads. They include so much BS designed to
mislead people I'd never trust them.

> http://www.go-synthetic.com/wwwboard/messages/61.html

More Amsoil related propaganda.

> -- dealers saying the same thing --
> http://www.kentsoil.com/

yet more Amsoil BS.

> http://www.lubespecialist.com/products/xlf.htm (under service life)

“


So, if you want to push the stuff, fine, but, IMO, at least disclose your "affiliation in your sig (my opinion and not that of the board).

And, if you look at the marketing plan, by getting “distributors” to pay $10 every 6-months and by selling them on “extended intervals”, it goes to follow that they can collect $20/year and not even have to “send” a product. So, the very plan creates a hoard of “enthusiastic” sellers. Unfortunately, being a “fan” of human nature, it creates a “conflict of interest”. So, the “message” gets buries in the “noise” of rampant propaganda.

Hey, and remember, I even said that I think its probably good stuff – I don’t have a problem with that. I do have a problem with “agendas”.

 

Funny thing is I recommended Mobil1 first. BUT

Buried in your own web site you provided they disclose how Mobil is NOT 100 % synthetic, or should I say they are pushing the envelope of understanding with their disclaimer of not including the carrier oil (Petro oil). Again this info is from your provided web site, it's the data that you wanted when I said that mobil was not 100% synthetic. READ this site.



http://www.synlube.com/synthetic.htmed

Here are some excerpts; note they do use mobil as an example, amsoil is also mentioned.

.....The "exclusive of carrier oil" means in English that the Carrier or the Process Oil that is used to "carry" the additives is not synthetic oil and therefore, the final product (Motor Oil)
is NOT 100% Synthetic, even though the Base Oil is 100% Synthetic


"BUT WAIT you contacted Mobil and they told you 100% synthetic"

More from your provided web site;



.......Then why does it say it contains a petroleum carrier for additives?

All motor oils contain additives that provide extra protection against wear, corrosion and engine deposits. These additives are usually high molecular weight materials – sometimes even solids. Conventional carrier oil is used to make these additives soluble. All motor oils will contain some of this carrier oil, usually only amounting to a small percentage of the finished product.



Source of above Questions and Answers is www.mobil,com and Mobil 1 promotional literature from 1999.


....

.....Perhaps a small question still lurks on your mind, how small a "small percentage" is?

Well, for that we have to go to a company like Infineum that produces the additive packages such a PARANOX 5043 and PARANOX 5510 for synthetic lubricants.

The active ingredients are 1.94% to 4.07% by Mass (weight) the balance is Petroleum Oil.

That is about 98% or 96% of the "Additive Package" in ready to blend form is Petroleum Oil.

The recommended treat rate for FULLY FORMULATED lubricant (Motor Oil) is 10 to 20% of the finished product.

NOW for you MATH WIZARDS:

If 100% of the Base Oil is 100% Synthetic;

If 98% to 96% of the "Additive Package is Petroleum";

If 10 to 20% of the finished product is the Additive Package;

Then, how many % of Petroleum and how many % of Synthetic are in the finished Motor Oil?



SOLUTION:

When the treat rate is 10% and the Additive Package contains 2% of active ingredients,
then the finished product will be 90% Synthetic with 9.8% Petroleum and 0.2% of additives.

When the treat rate is 20% and the Additive Package contains 4% of the active ingredients,
then the finished product will be 80% Synthetic with 19.2% Petroleum and 0.8% of additives.



The "small percentage" (according to Mobil) is 9.8% to 19.2%.

Many investors would be thrilled to get such a "small percentage" return on their money !!

(Just for the record, the average dividends for Mobil and Exxon over last 20 years have been in 2% to 4% range, and they jointly term this as "significant" return on Shareholders’ Equity in their Annual Reports).

OK then "100% Synthetic Motor Oil" is not really "100% Synthetic Motor Oil", but it is perfectly OK to say that it is 100% Synthetic Motor Oil, because the Base Stock is 100% Synthetic and that is what you really mean when the Motor Oil contains as much as 20% of Petroleum, because the Petroleum is not the Base Oil but the Carrier Oil for the Additives !!!


But "I believe" Amsoil is not 100% synthetic, Roadrage (from TL board) has reason to believe it's a group III from Amsoil safety data sheets.. I have contacted Amsoil to find out but they will not disclose thir product mix.


I don't intend to continue a under graduate debate class with you. Mobil also has it's share of people who will bash it for it's sales practices, did you search on google for them.

I am not the HARD CORE Amsoil saleman you seem to believe, you have searched on my past post and copied them but you seem to have left out the posts where I recommend Amsoil, Mobil or Redline. As written in your provided web page mobil recommends Mobil1 should be changed at 3k. WHY most test data has shown thats a waist, I know you want data; look at chods freq asked questions under synthetic. Check out the engineers test results.

The synlube web page provides more information on how to decide which is the best synthetic, Note theirs is $30qt but "they say"it's good for 150k miles.

 

I'm using Amsoil 5-20 synthetic. It's the only synthetic oil I could find with the 5-20 weight , as recomended by Acura. It's good for 7500 miles,or 6 months. I don't drive much, so in 6 months I'll change oil at about 4000 miles.
I'm using the mobil 1 filter M1-104.

 

Hmmm....

Some signal in the "noise" in the hysteria of "petro-mythology"...

Thanks -- I appreciate the candor about your product...