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09-22-2006, 08:11 PM
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Finally!
Well tommorow morning i am finally going to put in the e-manage and get the car tuned and dynoed, iinstalled the water/methanol injection kit last night! 
09-22-2006, 09:54 PM
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Originally Posted by CL Platano
Bought time..can't wait for the results..JBlueCLS6 been looking for you , he needs an installer for his blower. I can still smoke you both 
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09-24-2006, 08:40 AM
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Well they didn't finish the car, they were having some problems, like poping fuses and when they test drove it they told me it's hitting some kind of limiter and they have to call greddy on monday. I really hope they are competent, And i get my my car back in one piece, they said the replaced a 15 amp fuse with a thirty 
. They don't seem to know anything about the methanol injection kit either, oh god i hope everything turns out ok 
. They don't seem to know anything about the methanol injection kit either, oh god i hope everything turns out ok
09-24-2006, 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted by withoutcomp1
Well they didn't finish the car, they were having some problems, like poping fuses and when they test drove it they told me it's hitting some kind of limiter and they have to call greddy on monday. I really hope they are competent, And i get my my car back in one piece, they said the replaced a 15 amp fuse with a thirty . They don't seem to know anything about the methanol injection kit either, oh god i hope everything turns out ok
. They don't seem to know anything about the methanol injection kit either, oh god i hope everything turns out ok Send me your map and I'll compare it to one of several I have. If it's the one you got from 02av6, then it's possible it's the one I GAVE him, which I wouldn't recommend as it's set up for 460ish whp. PM me your email address.
09-24-2006, 10:08 PM
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I am using the boomslang harness but without the ignition and injector harness, so they had to wire those two in, but i just ordered the boomslang harness with everything in it overnight delivery. I think maybe they wired somthing wrong Because ther is no reason to be popping fuses or hitting a limiter.
09-24-2006, 11:03 PM
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Yeah i am using the blue, I thought no one could get the ultimate to work correctly with our cars? Don't tell me i have to upgrade before i even get the car back! I just checked on the Boomslang site for you to see what harness you need and i have now idea, sorry.
09-25-2006, 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted by CleanCL
i gather you are using emanage, and not emanage ultimate? i planned to get the boomslang harness except for ultimate, and theres 4 different options for that one, and i have no idea which one to get.
I would imagine knock and air input
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# Coolant Temp Correction Map (Must be Selected with Knock Signal 1) - When the ECU Coolant Temp Calibration does not match the e-manage’s tuning, this map is used to tune the system at various temperature ranges. Intake Air Temp Correction Map (Must be Selected with Knock Signal 2)
- When the ECU Intake Air Temp Calibration does not match the e-manage’s tuning, this map is used to tune the system at various temperature ranges. This map is also be used when eliminating the airflow meter on a vehicle equipped with a hotwire type airflow meter.
- When the ECU Intake Air Temp Calibration does not match the e-manage’s tuning, this map is used to tune the system at various temperature ranges. This map is also be used when eliminating the airflow meter on a vehicle equipped with a hotwire type airflow meter.
09-27-2006, 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by ThinJim
If it's the one you got from 02av6, then it's possible it's the one I GAVE him, which I wouldn't recommend as it's set up for 460ish whp.
Further, I specifically, recommended withoutcomp1 to use a boomslang pnp harness (Main/injector/ignition) since it was tested on my vehicle before it saw a production. It's very good harness with 4 connectors and no need to tap the RPM wire seperately - truly Plug-n-Play.
In addition, I told him that e-manage had to be set-up prior to turning it ON which I did for 3 AV6 guys. It has to be done as you know in order for e-manage to run properly and not damage ECU and/or even engine.
Finally, regarding you previous map. I used it for reference only as I was curious to see the difference between mine.
However, even I can't use your map which is completely different and tuned individually. So, others cannot use it either and I would never send your map over
BTW, my final map was tuned individually on dyno with 370cc injectors and 1:1 ratio FPR/increased fuel line along with added water/methanol injection.
09-27-2006, 03:07 PM
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Also, johntypes utilizing Ultimate on his NA vehicle. I don't believe the tuner was able to increase timing but seems crank signal is readable. If I have time I might try it sometime.
09-27-2006, 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by 02AV6
No. I send him MY map which was a first tuned version over the original supplied by scalbert when I PURCHASED the IC/E-Manage kit. It has 0 Air Flow map, supports stock CL-S injectors with minor timing retard and enough fuel. Of course, each car is different and tuning had to be finalyzed on dyno only as I stated when I send him a PM. However, my map will save him the initial setup fee along with trial and error issues.
Further, I specifically, recommended withoutcomp1 to use a boomslang pnp harness (Main/injector/ignition) since it was tested on my vehicle before it saw a production. It's very good harness with 4 connectors and no need to tap the RPM wire seperately - truly Plug-n-Play.
In addition, I told him that e-manage had to be set-up prior to turning it ON which I did for 3 AV6 guys. It has to be done as you know in order for e-manage to run properly and not damage ECU and/or even engine.
Finally, regarding you previous map. I used it for reference only as I was curious to see the difference between mine.
However, even I can't use your map which is completely different and tuned individually. So, others cannot use it either and I would never send your map over
BTW, my final map was tuned individually on dyno with 370cc injectors and 1:1 ratio FPR/increased fuel line along with added water/methanol injection.
Further, I specifically, recommended withoutcomp1 to use a boomslang pnp harness (Main/injector/ignition) since it was tested on my vehicle before it saw a production. It's very good harness with 4 connectors and no need to tap the RPM wire seperately - truly Plug-n-Play.
In addition, I told him that e-manage had to be set-up prior to turning it ON which I did for 3 AV6 guys. It has to be done as you know in order for e-manage to run properly and not damage ECU and/or even engine.
Finally, regarding you previous map. I used it for reference only as I was curious to see the difference between mine.
However, even I can't use your map which is completely different and tuned individually. So, others cannot use it either and I would never send your map over
BTW, my final map was tuned individually on dyno with 370cc injectors and 1:1 ratio FPR/increased fuel line along with added water/methanol injection.
the map you sent him is a good map, he sent it to me wondering if the parameters were set ok in case he or the shop changed them. They're the same, the only difference is the boost cut, your map is 2.7v while mine is 2.75v, I don't think that would make any difference.
It's a very conservative map and I told him it would work well as a starter. Like you said, every car is a little different. you can send him my map if you like or anyone as it's not going to do much good as I'm using the greddy pressure sensor and i think the one i sent you supports the greddy p.s. it's all good.
My thought on tuning with water injection is to tune without it. If you tune with it and the water injection has a malfunction (clogged nozzel, etc) under WOT, then you stand a high probability of a very lean condition occuring at the most critical time. I use straight methanol and without the injection, my afr is 11.7-8, with meth, it's 10.9 approx.
09-29-2006, 03:50 PM
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the map you sent him is a good map, he sent it to me wondering if the parameters were set ok in case he or the shop changed them. They're the same, the only difference is the boost cut, your map is 2.7v while mine is 2.75v, I don't think that would make any difference.
It's a very conservative map and I told him it would work well as a starter. Like you said, every car is a little different. you can send him my map if you like or anyone as it's not going to do much good as I'm using the greddy pressure sensor and i think the one i sent you supports the greddy p.s. it's all good.
My thought on tuning with water injection is to tune without it. If you tune with it and the water injection has a malfunction (clogged nozzel, etc) under WOT, then you stand a high probability of a very lean condition occuring at the most critical time. I use straight methanol and without the injection, my afr is 11.7-8, with meth, it's 10.9 approx.
It's a very conservative map and I told him it would work well as a starter. Like you said, every car is a little different. you can send him my map if you like or anyone as it's not going to do much good as I'm using the greddy pressure sensor and i think the one i sent you supports the greddy p.s. it's all good.
My thought on tuning with water injection is to tune without it. If you tune with it and the water injection has a malfunction (clogged nozzel, etc) under WOT, then you stand a high probability of a very lean condition occuring at the most critical time. I use straight methanol and without the injection, my afr is 11.7-8, with meth, it's 10.9 approx.
I also utilizing Greddy sensor right now which is active on my file and Air Flow unchanged (set to 0).
The injection has been reliable so far and each nozzle has a decent screen preventing any clogging. Without I see high 11s to 12.0 AFR and with just mid-11s. I don't use much, only when getting on it at 100% throttle which doesn't happend lately due to traffic. Also, I have a switch to turn the pump ON when needed and the injection starts at 5psi and stops when it falls below.
09-29-2006, 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by 02AV6
Also, johntypes utilizing Ultimate on his NA vehicle. I don't believe the tuner was able to increase timing but seems crank signal is readable. If I have time I might try it sometime.
09-30-2006, 08:52 AM
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Well i got the car car back with $350 dollars less in my pocket and nothing done! Well i shouldn't say that i got three new coil packs (because they burned them out) and new plugs (because they fouled them) I wish they told me that they weren't 100% on tuning it before i brought the car there, so i pretty much lost the car for a week for nothing. MY LUCK! I found another place pretty close to my house in linden called 1320 performance, i am going to give them a try next week, after i install the e-manage myself. Thats why i don't like anyone working on the car but myself. Oh well shit happens, what can i do!
09-30-2006, 11:00 AM
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dude that sucks. they seemed confident when i ask them about tuning. i ran into some issues with them as well. i think they have too much workload. i know it's a drive but the guys at e-shift i think can do it up, that's where i'm going for the tune.
09-30-2006, 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by CleanCL
dude that sucks. they seemed confident when i ask them about tuning. i ran into some issues with them as well. i think they have too much workload. i know it's a drive but the guys at e-shift i think can do it up, that's where i'm going for the tune.
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09-30-2006, 02:13 PM
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And after your done.... could you have them store the map or send me it becuase I believe I'm running the same setup as yours.
CL-S High Boost Pulley
Snow Methanol Injection
This is your same setup correct?
CL-S High Boost Pulley
Snow Methanol Injection
This is your same setup correct?
09-30-2006, 11:43 PM
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Originally Posted by JBlueCLS6
I'm going to try 1320 myself... Thank you for being the Guinea Pig D:<
Let me know how that goes, I'm gonna try and boost by the summer.
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This is simply speculation, but have you witnessed hitting the rev limiter? If so when has it occured? When I attempted to tune the CLs with my VAFC2 (based off of baseline a/f ratio@dyno), it seemed that if the a/f r was tuned too aggressively, the rev lmiter kicked in at 5500. This seems to have been the ecu/airflow sensor recognizing some sort of boost and cutting power. Keeping adjusted setting for several days lead to CEL's and the like. I finally decided to just keep the settings stock and wait to purchase/mod the 6speed instead of burdening the already burdened AT. Besides, what is the point of of VAFC/E manage without a minimum of bolt ons? Hope this helps.