A few extra cranks to start?
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A few extra cranks to start?
Here lately, It's taking a few more cranks to start the car. Maybe up to 6 before it starts. My previous Acura would always start after 2. I have about 10.7k on the odo so I know it's not time for a tuneup. What else could it be?
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I am at home so I do not have the specifics in front of me but there is a service bulletin for hard starting cars when hot.Call your local dealer and see if this bulletin applies to your car.I'll ask Wayne to look it up and give you the bulletin number.Jens
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Same shit happened to me about 4 times since september. And I've had it happen when the car was cold, and when it was hot. It was really embarrassing too the last time it happened. I had a couple of hotties in the car next to me checking me out and then the fucking car wouldn't start.
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Same thing just happened to me this morning. It cranked several times before turning over. I'll have to check this out with Wayne...
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2001 Silver 3.2CLS
Muds, Spoiler, Hardwire 8500, Polarg M-6 lamps, K&N filter #33-2178,
Comptech Headers, Sways, mufflers
Planning: SSR 17X8 Competition Wheels, Brembo Brakes.
#5
when u start the car, dont twist the key straight thru. leave it for a moment on the second to last click right b4 the start, and then crank the car...this might help...
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Cee eL eS:
when u start the car, dont twist the key straight thru. leave it for a moment on the second to last click right b4 the start, and then crank the car...this might help...
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when u start the car, dont twist the key straight thru. leave it for a moment on the second to last click right b4 the start, and then crank the car...this might help...
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2001 Silver 3.2CLS
Muds, Spoiler, Hardwire 8500, Polarg M-6 lamps, K&N filter #33-2178,
Comptech Headers, Sways, mufflers
Planning: SSR 17X8 Competition Wheels, Brembo Brakes.
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by tel1sps:
Why would that help?
i have no idea, but my car stopped doing extra cranks when i did this. maybe it gives time for the electrical components to "charge" w/ juice from the battery. sorry, i dont have a mechanical explination...but it works for me...both in my cl and in my previous integ...
Originally posted by Cee eL eS:
when u start the car, dont twist the key straight thru. leave it for a moment on the second to last click right b4 the start, and then crank the car...this might help...
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when u start the car, dont twist the key straight thru. leave it for a moment on the second to last click right b4 the start, and then crank the car...this might help...
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i have no idea, but my car stopped doing extra cranks when i did this. maybe it gives time for the electrical components to "charge" w/ juice from the battery. sorry, i dont have a mechanical explination...but it works for me...both in my cl and in my previous integ...
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I have also had the starting problem with my CL-S and I mentioned it to my service manager. The technician looked at it and said that since he couldn't get the problem to duplicate, it was starting according to factory specs....
Hasn't happened to me lately, though...
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Hasn't happened to me lately, though...
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#9
I think its something with acura in general. Last time I was at a dealer to change oil, they had a 3.5 RL with 1500 miles on it, on a tow truck that could not start, when they got it off the truck it started fine, in half an hour when I was leaving it was having the same problem as you guys are describing. So my guess is we have to live with this
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Maybe new spark plugs, that would be my guess.
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High compression engines generally crank a bit more before starting. I don't know why. My ITR would crank for a few seconds before starting when it was cold but it was normal.
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When it happened to me it was a dead type crank. As if the battery was dead not a struggling starter trying to turn a high compression over type crank. I was surprised because it never happened before.
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2001 Silver 3.2CLS
Muds, Spoiler, Hardwire 8500, Polarg M-6 lamps, K&N filter #33-2178,
Comptech Headers, Sways, mufflers
Planning: SSR 17X8 Competition Wheels, Brembo Brakes.
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Muds, Spoiler, Hardwire 8500, Polarg M-6 lamps, K&N filter #33-2178,
Comptech Headers, Sways, mufflers
Planning: SSR 17X8 Competition Wheels, Brembo Brakes.
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Mine does it too, usually when really cold or after sitting for a while. Probably has to do with the fuel injection or something.
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I hope Jens can shed some light on this....
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2001 Silver 3.2CLS
Muds, Spoiler, Hardwire 8500, Polarg M-6 lamps, K&N filter #33-2178,
Comptech Headers, Sways, mufflers
Planning: SSR 17X8 Competition Wheels, Brembo Brakes.
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2001 Silver 3.2CLS
Muds, Spoiler, Hardwire 8500, Polarg M-6 lamps, K&N filter #33-2178,
Comptech Headers, Sways, mufflers
Planning: SSR 17X8 Competition Wheels, Brembo Brakes.
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I've had this happen to me a couple times, I have also heard a couple of different explanations for it; vapor lock and another being that the fuel pump not having enough time to pressurized the system. I am mechanically competant but not a mechanic so I don't know....I just don't like it
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The bulletin Jens is refering to (B01-001) addresses intermitent hard start after hot soak. The cure for that is to replace the fuel pressure regulator. The cold start, long crank is an issue we see most in fall and spring. It too is fuel related. The gas companies switch from Winter to Summer blends at those times and the change in vapor pressure from the fuel can cause wierd starting problems- particularly if you still have winter gas and the temp gets warm or summer gas and the temp gets cold. Not much you can do about this. The other issue is that you may be getting a slight loss of pressure in the fuel system after the car sits overnight. When you turn the key, the fuel pump is activated and pressurizes the system. It take a second or so to build pressure back up- thus the extra cranks. The best cure for this is to turn the key to on for a second or two then to crank. This gives the pump time to work and you should have a shorter crank. These really aren't problems and they do exist in most fuel injected cars.
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Wayne Gruen
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Park Ave Acura
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Wayne,
My hard start was after I got out of the gym to go to work. When I started it in the morning it was fine. I parked at the gym and approx 1.5 hr latter had the hard crank situation. Do ya think it is the fuel pressure regulator or gas?
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2001 Silver 3.2CLS
Muds, Spoiler, Hardwire 8500, Polarg M-6 lamps, K&N filter #33-2178,
Comptech Headers, Sways, mufflers
Planning: SSR 17X8 Competition Wheels, Brembo Brakes.
My hard start was after I got out of the gym to go to work. When I started it in the morning it was fine. I parked at the gym and approx 1.5 hr latter had the hard crank situation. Do ya think it is the fuel pressure regulator or gas?
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2001 Silver 3.2CLS
Muds, Spoiler, Hardwire 8500, Polarg M-6 lamps, K&N filter #33-2178,
Comptech Headers, Sways, mufflers
Planning: SSR 17X8 Competition Wheels, Brembo Brakes.
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Tel- we should probably do the Regulator?Pcm update on your car. Give us a call. We need to get some details.
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Wayne Gruen
Service Manager
Park Ave Acura
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Park Ave Acura
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by wayneg:
Tel- we should probably do the Regulator?Pcm update on your car. Give us a call. We need to get some details.
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Tel- we should probably do the Regulator?Pcm update on your car. Give us a call. We need to get some details.
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2001 Silver 3.2CLS
Muds, Spoiler, Hardwire 8500, Polarg M-6 lamps, K&N filter #33-2178,
Comptech Headers, Sways, mufflers
Planning: SSR 17X8 Competition Wheels, Brembo Brakes.
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by wayneg:
The bulletin Jens is refering to (B01-001) addresses intermitent hard start after hot soak. The cure for that is to replace the fuel pressure regulator. The cold start, long crank is an issue we see most in fall and spring. It too is fuel related. The gas companies switch from Winter to Summer blends at those times and the change in vapor pressure from the fuel can cause wierd starting problems- particularly if you still have winter gas and the temp gets warm or summer gas and the temp gets cold. Not much you can do about this. The other issue is that you may be getting a slight loss of pressure in the fuel system after the car sits overnight. When you turn the key, the fuel pump is activated and pressurizes the system. It take a second or so to build pressure back up- thus the extra cranks. The best cure for this is to turn the key to on for a second or two then to crank. This gives the pump time to work and you should have a shorter crank. These really aren't problems and they do exist in most fuel injected cars.
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The bulletin Jens is refering to (B01-001) addresses intermitent hard start after hot soak. The cure for that is to replace the fuel pressure regulator. The cold start, long crank is an issue we see most in fall and spring. It too is fuel related. The gas companies switch from Winter to Summer blends at those times and the change in vapor pressure from the fuel can cause wierd starting problems- particularly if you still have winter gas and the temp gets warm or summer gas and the temp gets cold. Not much you can do about this. The other issue is that you may be getting a slight loss of pressure in the fuel system after the car sits overnight. When you turn the key, the fuel pump is activated and pressurizes the system. It take a second or so to build pressure back up- thus the extra cranks. The best cure for this is to turn the key to on for a second or two then to crank. This gives the pump time to work and you should have a shorter crank. These really aren't problems and they do exist in most fuel injected cars.
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