ELD p1297 I need help!
ELD p1297 I need help!
My car is misfiring during acceleration and the scanner picks up a p1297 code. Did a little research and read possible causes are the eld, battery, and alternator. Went to the auto store and the checked the battery and alternator and they both passed. Is there anything else I can check?
If it's the eld I can help you with that issue as I joined just to put up what I have found out about my own eld. was kind of a piss off that Honda did such an asshole move by intregrating the eld in a fashion that if ever need replacement would cost about 800$$ keep reading and it will only cost you about $30 for the part. charge your battery beforehand if it's good it will hold a charge during these tests. Parts from Honda/Acura Accord/TSX model years 2004-2008 are interchangeable.
So here is the situation for faulty eld units electrical load detector,(Honda refers to the part as "detector, electrical load")
1. Your getting p1297 orbii code .
2. Battery indicator light goes on an never goes off
3 no code or battery light but extremely poor charging voltages (anywhere from 12.1-14.5) yes anywhere from low voltage to over charge
I have done a lot of research and have determined the three causes for the faulty eld
Now this is important
Load testing your car is imperative for your results load testing is this
Start your car, then turn everything on
Airconditioning
Heater,
Radio
Lights
Hi’s
Fog’s
Rear defrost
Seat heat, (both sides)
Put the vehicle in gear, applying the brakes,
At this point you should measure your voltage you should be getting over 13.5 (I had 12.1-11.5)
( this might be incorrect as there are some of you who like the big ass boom boxes. Keep those turned off as you would need to create a bypass circuit so that the car can measure it accurately )
Each system needs to be tested
ELD
BATTERY
Alternator
Firstly make sure the following have been completed
1. Make sure your serpentine belt is still good you can tell this by the wear indicator
if it looks like the picture below your belt is completely worn out replace it.(what your looking at is the arrow pointing at the two bars. the long on is belt is still good the short one as in this picture is replace it belt is over stretched)

it should look like this picture.(the bottom one)

2 now that, that's done check your voltage if your still getting crappy voltages here are some tests that can be done to rule out battery.
2-a . Take ohm meter, disconnect battery (no keys in the ignition)
Disconnect ground from battery, while you’re here take the time to clean your posts and check your grounds look for signs of bad connections such as corrosion or rust creating bad connections. measure it you should be getting about 12.6 volts
if your getting any lower then 12.2 replace the battery and recheck system charging voltages
2b. if you have a clamp meter great (if not you should invest in one. Makes this test way easier and any clamp meter will do as long as it can read dc voltage and amps.) (http://www.lowes.ca/test-meters-equipment/greenlee-digital-clamp-meter_g1197959.html?utm_source=google&utm_medium=c pc&utm_campaign=DSA%20-%20Lowe's&utm_term=Lowe's&s_kwcid=_cat:lowes.ca|33 585327256&af=2290&gclid=CjwKEAjwrbSoBRDok47Sv6Ci80 wSJABFUszTCjgmmhS0STwwaB-F9IzAqvMhaQjUvE5n8PzsofX2XRoCEfjw_wcB)
Start the car let the first fan cycle pass, no measure the amps on positive side, now do the same for the neg side. Odds are if it’s a bad eld and you have high draw on pos (I had 66 amp ), and low charge on the neg (I had 11 AMPs). you have a bad eld.( I had But there is hopeif you have a scrap yard where you can buy a good used alternator I would recommend that as it will keeps the cost down.(and take it to some to test there are a lot of places that do that for free) myself I bought a new one.
So now that I have ruled out the battery and alternator
The part number your going to need is 38255S5A003 and found a great video for everyone to use for this issue. Unfortunately I bought a fuse box from the scrap yard and found out there is a tsb and that box has the faulty eld in it still but rest assured it’s super easy
For the removal of the fuse box
Here is what you will need.
A.A couple of screw drivers, Flat
B. and a flashlight,
C. 10 mm wrench
D. 8 mm and 10mm sockets
If you start from the drivers side the fuse box is easier to remove you will need a flat screw driver and ratchet
Completely disconnect your battery from the car as you are disconnecting the fusebox completely
I AM NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY DAMAGES YOU DO TO YOUR VEHICLE I OFFER THIS AS GUIDANCE ONLY
1. Remove the 2 bolts holding the fuse box in place in the engine compartment,
2. remove the cover and disconnect the two main battery leads they should be 8mm bolts ( this will make it easier to maneuver and mark where each one is as one goes to your alternator and the other I have no idea)
Now tilt the side closest to the tire up and you will notice clips 6-7 of them if you work slowly there shouldn’t be a problem. Pop the clips and the bottom comes off and presto you now see wires and plugs slowly start and remove each one there is clip in the middle of each one and once completed you should have a fuse box in your hand.minus the two cables in this picture.
To replace the eld unit Honda part number 38255-S5A-003
This is the fuse box disassembly video
http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&u act=8&ved=0CB0QtwIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube .com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DHa_z2OjL7e4&ei=zqYNVfHCHoG4ogT4 nYK4AQ&usg=AFQjCNGRQYnYIgOpWHs7uczdZznt7hZA2Q&sig2 =xw0cCl-4wGrgM-1ZQmJKUA
this is the reassembly and eld replacement video
http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&u act=8&ved=0CCQQuAIwAQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube .com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D0RYIV9MzGBw&ei=zqYNVfHCHoG4ogT4 nYK4AQ&usg=AFQjCNHq9BR2K9eawzHvKtvnvsxqhZEsXQ&sig2 =N7AgnHlfPZAkP02xJTx76g
this information was not easy to come by so I figured I would post it as it seems to be a common issue.
So here is the situation for faulty eld units electrical load detector,(Honda refers to the part as "detector, electrical load")
1. Your getting p1297 orbii code .
2. Battery indicator light goes on an never goes off
3 no code or battery light but extremely poor charging voltages (anywhere from 12.1-14.5) yes anywhere from low voltage to over charge
I have done a lot of research and have determined the three causes for the faulty eld
Now this is important
Load testing your car is imperative for your results load testing is this
Start your car, then turn everything on
Airconditioning
Heater,
Radio
Lights
Hi’s
Fog’s
Rear defrost
Seat heat, (both sides)
Put the vehicle in gear, applying the brakes,
At this point you should measure your voltage you should be getting over 13.5 (I had 12.1-11.5)
( this might be incorrect as there are some of you who like the big ass boom boxes. Keep those turned off as you would need to create a bypass circuit so that the car can measure it accurately )
Each system needs to be tested
ELD
BATTERY
Alternator
Firstly make sure the following have been completed
1. Make sure your serpentine belt is still good you can tell this by the wear indicator
if it looks like the picture below your belt is completely worn out replace it.(what your looking at is the arrow pointing at the two bars. the long on is belt is still good the short one as in this picture is replace it belt is over stretched)
it should look like this picture.(the bottom one)
2 now that, that's done check your voltage if your still getting crappy voltages here are some tests that can be done to rule out battery.
2-a . Take ohm meter, disconnect battery (no keys in the ignition)
Disconnect ground from battery, while you’re here take the time to clean your posts and check your grounds look for signs of bad connections such as corrosion or rust creating bad connections. measure it you should be getting about 12.6 volts
if your getting any lower then 12.2 replace the battery and recheck system charging voltages
2b. if you have a clamp meter great (if not you should invest in one. Makes this test way easier and any clamp meter will do as long as it can read dc voltage and amps.) (http://www.lowes.ca/test-meters-equipment/greenlee-digital-clamp-meter_g1197959.html?utm_source=google&utm_medium=c pc&utm_campaign=DSA%20-%20Lowe's&utm_term=Lowe's&s_kwcid=_cat:lowes.ca|33 585327256&af=2290&gclid=CjwKEAjwrbSoBRDok47Sv6Ci80 wSJABFUszTCjgmmhS0STwwaB-F9IzAqvMhaQjUvE5n8PzsofX2XRoCEfjw_wcB)
Start the car let the first fan cycle pass, no measure the amps on positive side, now do the same for the neg side. Odds are if it’s a bad eld and you have high draw on pos (I had 66 amp ), and low charge on the neg (I had 11 AMPs). you have a bad eld.( I had But there is hopeif you have a scrap yard where you can buy a good used alternator I would recommend that as it will keeps the cost down.(and take it to some to test there are a lot of places that do that for free) myself I bought a new one.
So now that I have ruled out the battery and alternator
The part number your going to need is 38255S5A003 and found a great video for everyone to use for this issue. Unfortunately I bought a fuse box from the scrap yard and found out there is a tsb and that box has the faulty eld in it still but rest assured it’s super easy
For the removal of the fuse box
Here is what you will need.
A.A couple of screw drivers, Flat
B. and a flashlight,
C. 10 mm wrench
D. 8 mm and 10mm sockets
If you start from the drivers side the fuse box is easier to remove you will need a flat screw driver and ratchet
Completely disconnect your battery from the car as you are disconnecting the fusebox completely
I AM NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY DAMAGES YOU DO TO YOUR VEHICLE I OFFER THIS AS GUIDANCE ONLY
1. Remove the 2 bolts holding the fuse box in place in the engine compartment,
2. remove the cover and disconnect the two main battery leads they should be 8mm bolts ( this will make it easier to maneuver and mark where each one is as one goes to your alternator and the other I have no idea)
Now tilt the side closest to the tire up and you will notice clips 6-7 of them if you work slowly there shouldn’t be a problem. Pop the clips and the bottom comes off and presto you now see wires and plugs slowly start and remove each one there is clip in the middle of each one and once completed you should have a fuse box in your hand.minus the two cables in this picture.
To replace the eld unit Honda part number 38255-S5A-003
This is the fuse box disassembly video
http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&u act=8&ved=0CB0QtwIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube .com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DHa_z2OjL7e4&ei=zqYNVfHCHoG4ogT4 nYK4AQ&usg=AFQjCNGRQYnYIgOpWHs7uczdZznt7hZA2Q&sig2 =xw0cCl-4wGrgM-1ZQmJKUA
this is the reassembly and eld replacement video
http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&u act=8&ved=0CCQQuAIwAQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube .com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D0RYIV9MzGBw&ei=zqYNVfHCHoG4ogT4 nYK4AQ&usg=AFQjCNHq9BR2K9eawzHvKtvnvsxqhZEsXQ&sig2 =N7AgnHlfPZAkP02xJTx76g
this information was not easy to come by so I figured I would post it as it seems to be a common issue.
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