typeR

im so excited....

scalbert

And am about to open one up.

scalbert

You might want to consider staying in the driver's seat. That is a bit more roomy. :P

juice

I was thinking the same thing!!

ModAddict

types1967

good luck steve looking foward to the results!!!! hey brad how ya doing?

scalbert

The results are in but the numbers will be in another thread here soon (once I get the girls down for a nap). It was encouraging and aggravating at the same time but over all I am please with how the e-Manage performed in my car. However, and I will go into in more detail in the other thread, the car started acting weird relative to what it had been doing.

But probably the most important aspect which today's test was to show; the e-Manage is not for NA cars. Although it did advance the timing it must not be very good at it. The car freaked out and did not like even the 1 degree I threw at it. It did respond well to the fuel, or rather MAP sensor signal, alterations. But it may not be worth it in the long run since timing cannot be toyed with. However, with more advance through a lower temp stat and some fuel tuning we might see even more gains.

So at this point it looks like the Unichip is the only solid option to get more out of tuning for an NA vehicle. But the e-Manage can certainly handle a boosted engine.

scalbert

BTW, Cass, it was great meeting you and sorry to run out so quickly; the twins were waiting. I had hoped we would have had some time to go for a ride and hang out for a bit. But hopefully next time you are in town we can make these arrangements.

BTW, what did Arthur charge you?? I was hoping he would just charge the standard Wide Band monitoring rate of $100/hr which you were less than 1 hour. Or did he charge the $150/hr tuning rate?? I got nailed with a bill of $330 which included the O2 sensor Bung. :o

typeR

this might be stupid and premature given the full results havent been released but...might you concider using the emange to manipulate timing by changing the ECT,IAT, and any other senosors values that have an effect on timing instead of directly through ignition?....will your harness work for the uni chip?

scalbert

Dyno test results:

http://www.acura-cl.com/forums/showt...hreadid=129907

scalbert

No, the ECT and IAT signal are resistor drop down volatges; they are not amplified signal. The e-Manage could not alter these in it current form.

No, the e-Manage harness will not work with the Unichip as they do use different signals. However a new harness could be made apecifically for the Unichip. We would just need to know the pin outs.

ModAddict

So your origional thoughts on advancing timing with the eman were correct. That being said, I wonder how well the UniChip can accomplish it. I think our cars timing is advanced as much as it can be up high, and only slight gains in the lower ranges are possible.

civic4982

this has been going on for about 3 months... can we recap the results thus far so I don't have to read all 19 pages? thx.

ModAddict

Just read the page before this one.

ModAddict

Actually, only 7 posts before yours.

r10apple

I got the $150 version... It was all worth knowing, though...

darrinb

what can a auto cl-s w/ the blower and e-man tuning put down to the wheels, u guys think over 300??

what else is needed?

Jonesi

You'll probably need a new tranny.. Unfortunately..

TopGum

You probably need one regardless, blower or not. So, why not!

darrinb

comptech tranny cooler should hold it together

J.T.'s 3.2CL

If it's going to go that won't help it.

darrinb

y do u say that?

Scrib

Since there is an admitted design flaw in the transmission, no cooling product or even a synthetic tranny oil is going to save you.

Unfortunately, the transmission is a ticking time bomb. Some may never have an issue, but I sure as hell wouldn't put any sort of F/I on an auto CLS. No way in hell...

av6ent

Same design flaw as 6th gen. Accord V6 (98-02).

However, this was resolved (for Accord only) once and for all due to a custom made AV6 Transmission Upgrade Kit and available now. This tranny has been tested since October last year and supposed to handle at least 400whp-450whp . Since nobody has an Accord with this level its all speculation, however the reputable shop who built it swears you'll blow your engine faster then this upgraded transmission.

Now, that opened a lot of doors for more high performance products to be used. My boosted Accord friend will be getting it sometime in spring then will raise the boost and with scalbert help IC will come in handy .

Here is the list of features this AUTO transmission has:
- Limited Slip Differential
- Upgraded fiber clutches
- Upgraded torque converter
- Custom built upgraded internal pieces
- Valve body modifications to improve shifting
- All upgrades are COMPATIBLE with the factory ECU
- Shift firmness will be improved
- Shift quality will be improved
- Will OUTLAST the autoTRAGIC transmission Honda is using
- Expected power handling of 500 HP (crank)
- Improved WHEEL HP numbers as a result of better internals
- Improved WHEEL TQ numbers attributed to new torque convertor
- 1/4 mile times will be improved
- 1/4 mile times will be improved

I'm pretty sure if acura-cl members would like something like that it will definitely opens a great opportunity to bring the car to the insane level and somebody has to volunteer a car for prototype.

Just thought I'd share this info.

Scrib

And this costs what with installation?

I doubt many members are going to want to shell out 5K on a blower and another couple thousand for a more robust tranny.

av6ent

Performance is not cheap .

Its all depends what people try to accomplish - keep the 14s car as it is is OR get into 12s yes with auto for the 1/2 the cost of say 03+ E55 AMG or CLK55AMG

I know a friend who skipped the mods headache and purhased 04 E55AMG for $78,000

Scrib

OK, sure... So you can get a quick straightline car with zero traction off the line. Oh and, it's still an Accord.

It's all good though. Some people enjoy modding their cars like this. I myself see no point, but it's enjoyable to see others do it and discuss.

av6ent

It would be unique Accord, however and fast .

Red Rider

I'd consider it How much AV ??

av6ent

Well, Accord V6 Upgraded Tranny kit is $4,500.

If minimum 10 people come up it will be $3900-4000 each. For CLS they will tell you since it will be all custom made and they would ask like I said a volunteer to build a prototype.

Many companies tried to deliver auto transmission for Accord V6 including Level 10 and all failed with false promises and bad products.

The Dr. Evil Transmission in Schaumburg, IL who built both domestic and import racing trannies is ATSG (Automatic Transmission Service Group) and ATRA (Automatic Transmission Rebuilders Association) certified inluding numerous awards and certificates the only one who made this happened.

I would suggest contact them directly for any questions - link.

And can you imagine CLS potential when its done?
You can shift manually or leave it in auto and your car will take any boost including nitrous. Like they said the engine will blow faster then tranny.

ModAddict

I think Dean's got a similar set-up for the 5AT CL-S, TL-S, but I think his was it the $2500 range, plus shipping and install.

The dealers don't seam to mind if the failed tranny had the S/C on it, as far as the warranty goes, so why should we worry about it?,... other then the inconvenience it may cause us.

darrinb

if i can get my hands on a used blower for the right price, i'm gonna jump on it, the tranny is acuras problem not mine, w/ the e manage and max boost pulley comig ut for the blower, the skys the limit

i actually think u can get around 320 whp w/ a auto cl-s/tl-s

Red Rider

Thanks for the info, i'll look into it. Eventually, it will make sense if i'm gonna keep the car for awhile.

Red Rider

Someone in Black Market had a new one for $3200 !!! I'm surprised it was still available. If the E-Manage works and we can run the higher boost pulley, we should easily be over 300

scalbert

I'm going to pick up the IC in a couple of hours and will post pictures tonight. After that I will be sending it, the e-Manage and harness up to Brad. Once he has his problems resolved I am sure he will be scheduling a dyno session to tune the e-Manage on his blown 5AT.

As mentioned in another thread, I would like to see a blown 5AT person get their TB ported. It was just $150 ($200 when including over night delivery) and the car was down for a few days. I am curious if this really added something as expected; estimated between 5 - 10 WHP.

mattg

what about an n2o auto?

scalbert

It could certainly be used for nitrous tuning. In fact, you could use a pressure sensor on the nitrous line and have that be the primary input. Then you could tune the e-Manage to pull timing and to add fuel through the primary or additional injectors depending on the nitrous pressure.

ModAddict

One thing to remember, we also have the VSA throttle body. I'll try unplugging it to see what happens. If there are no ill effects, I don't see a reason to keep it. I guess if the VSA TB is larger then the ported TB it could stay. I'll check it out this weekend.

scalbert

I forgot about that VSA throttle, and I even had an '01 5AT CL-S. :o

I suspect it could be removed to support even more power. It would be a very interesting test...

darrinb

u gotta get ur ass outta cali so u can get some 93 octane