http://www.bimmerforums.com/forum/sh...hreadid=119110

Please DO NOT start a flame war. Was it anyone here? The guy in the M3 said ya'll spoke and everyone was cool.

 

TwinRotor/Turbo is a complete idiot.

 

I do not believe theat stock E36 M3 would do 14.1 stock Maybe 14.6-14.8 stock.

 

haha if i ever saw that twin rotor foo on the road id beat his ass...fuck the car i know ill lose..i can't stand when people talk shit and can't even use correct grammar to do it...he sounds like a 16 year old punk who gets spoiled by his mom

if i had a 12 second car i would think all other cars are slow too...duh

 

even with those mods there is no way that m3 would put 3 cars on a 6 speed cl-s. if the story is true, the cl driver must have missed a shift.

 

nice sticking up for us lex.


btw, that mod silverstreak is the guy that ran a 14.1 with his wifes bone stock 6mt. people were asking about him, now we know where to find him.

 

definitely lex....i joined just to add a little more fire...we'll see what happens....

 

 

:whocares: I beat my friend's 97 M3 auto all day long. That guy is so full of shit he stinks.

 

No shit he rolls around in a 1993 and thinks owns the fucking road. I mean fuck,who can't go out and buy a 1993 Mazda RX7 and make it fast.

 

werd...that guy is nothing but a bs artist....freaking i can get a 93 RX-7 for like $15000.....it's just a outdated ugly-ass mazda....i focking laugh at his rotary engine....so what he can ran 12s...the freaking car is so freaking old is not even funny.....

 

And what about that Web??? guy, he really didn't have anything to say about racing or his own encounters, all he did was bash on Hondas/Acuras, about how he got a lemon car, and therefore all of them are slow and sucks...

That's the guy I really can't stand..... :o

 

Funny thing is what the guy in the RX-7 has in his sig:

12.6 (Estimated by Petit Racing)

Dude hasn't even taken it to the track yet boasts that number.

I believe the 3 car lengths with those mods. not completely unrealistic. Good story/kill nonetheless. Most of those guys were pretty cool and didn't shit on the CLS. I like when a person can race and win or lose not be an A-hole!

yeah, I just reached my 1000th post!

 

i stuck up for us and he changed his tune a little

 

their resident racer dave(silverstreak) says some e36 m3's do high 13's (bs)?

his wife has an 03 cl-s6 which he took to the track and did a 14.1
he also did a stock s2000 at 13.66

so go figure, racing depends mucho on the driver

 

No problemo fellas. That dude is an idiot, you posts silly on all the kill threads there.

 

Im not condoning what was said(Turborotor) but with his mods he should have no problem with the CL-S. I dont know if you guys are familiar with the E36 M3 but a 95 with the HFM intake and his other mods should be in the ballpark of 240rwhp. As for your friends 97 auto they are much slower and has to be a sedan(only sedans are auto). Between the two cars it would come down to the driver more times than not if you guys run low 14s which i have been seeing. As for the claims of stock M3s in the 13s it is very true and most will run 14.2@ about 98-99 or better with a good driver.

 

for an e36, i have trouble believing that.

 

The CL never gets any love.

 

the moderators on that forum are anal

 

Stock E36 M3's can do 14's flat all day.

I ran a best of 13.9 in mine, with zero mods.

Shit, even Car and Driver and Motor Trend used to get 14.0 out of them.....

 

I'll just add that the e36 M3 has the highest 1st gear ratio of ANY car ever produced in production. Higher than Ferrari... Anyone.

They're a monster off the line because of this and they only weigh 3100lbs. My buddy has one and I'd think twice about running him in my G for anything other than a beer. And he's had some Dinan work done to it.

Don't the e36s have the same motor in them as the e46s??? Certainly not as tuned as the e46, but...

I certianly think it's possible to see an e36 M3 put some distance on a CLS6spd...

Sorry...

Just my $0.02...

 

E36-240hp, in Europe, they got a 319hp version, ours was de-tuned to cut costs (remember, an E36 M3 was only 35k!!!)
E46-333hp

 

Depends on the year. For a 99 M3, you were looking at about $42K with a few options.

 

When I said same motor, I meant size; 3.2L...

 

Year 1997 2003
Make BMW Acura
Model M3 3.2CL
5-speed Manual 6-speed Manual
Top Speed 153 mph 153 mph

0-30 mph 1.90 s 2.20 s
0-40 mph 3.20 s 3.40 s
0-50 mph 4.20 s 4.60 s
0-60 mph 5.50 s 5.80 s
0-70 mph 7.50 s 8.00 s
0-80 mph 9.30 s 9.90 s
0-90 mph 11.50 s 12.50 s
0-100 mph 14.70 s 15.60 s


100 ft 2.90 s 3.20 s
500 ft 7.80 s 8.00 s
1320 ft (1/4 mile)
M3 - 14.20 s @ 98.5 mph
CL-S - 14.60 s @ 97 mph

*source - www.car-videos.com

 

hmmm... 14.2 on a stock '97 M3? somethin' smells a bit fishy... I've walked M3s all day long over and over again... my car is stock basically too. most of my frineds cars are not modded heavily either except for maybe dinan intake and ECU...

 

 

1st off they are only about 100lbs lighter than a cls..2nd its poss for a e36 to put distance on a fuckin 911t , who's driving these cls that your speakin of?

 

e36 M3 = 3175 lbs.
CLS 6spd = 3446 lbs.

271lbs...

Quite a difference.

Secondly...

When I said "some distance" I meant a car length. Not a football field. Maybe I should have spelled it out for you.


I'm not sure why people here think the e36 is a slouch. It's not. Its got the gearing, isn't nearly as porky as the CLS6spd. Oh and it has RWD... That usually helps.

The original argument was that an e36 put 3+ car lengths on a CLS6spd. I don't know if I buy that, but I certainly would buy in on it beating a CLS6spd.

 

first of all one of my boys has a 99 M3 5 speed and even he told me that there is no way that it runs 14 flat stock...hes an awesome driver but even he can admit to that. i can see a 6speed cl-s taking a stock e36 and that guys story about 3-4 car lenths is bullshit!

 

http://www.bimmerforums.com/forum/sh...+slip........i dont want to waste my time fighting with you guys please visit this link and talk to the guy who ran 13.7 with a cheap intake in his E36. For all the doubters im sure he'll glady email u a time slip. I did a 2 second search and found two E36s with just intake in the 13s. Also please visit this one here http://www.bimmerforums.com/forum/sh...pm........13.5

 

yo buddy if you read the rest of the other post of the guys in the bimmer forum even they sounded a little skeptical

 

i have to agree with you on the fishy part. there seems to a huge inconsistancy to the performance of the 95-97m3 some are fast some are not. i've tested this theory many times before i bought my cl-s 6spd/navi. i had an 01 toy celica GTS 6spd w/ injen intake and jardine exhuast. just coming off the light i hit it pretty good not seeing the beemer yet he roles up beside me so i drop it in second at about 45mph we both boned out. if youv'e ever driven a new celica gts you know how ballistic it is when the vvti-l (toy. version of vtec)kicks in. anyways he was probably surprised when he didn't pull away from me. i know from a dead stop the beemer would have got the jump on me. the celica didn't make any pwr til 6000rpms. the point is I know my cl-s would spank the heck out of the celica i used to have if that's any indication.

 

finally, someone thats not in fantasy world.. believe what you will, but 99% of the e36's out there WILL NOT run anywhere near 14 secs period. of most e36's i've seen at the track they're all runnin high 14's. you can go ahead and say that every single one of these drivers don't know how to drve if you'd like. but thats my experiences with them.