Does everyone check their Actuator from time to time ?
05-01-2004, 03:21 PM
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Does everyone check their Actuator from time to time ?
Just curious, I check mine every couple of months or so. Checked it last night and was working properly.
Can do by pushing the throttle cable or by sitting in the car and revving little past 4100 RPM and having someone else watch to see if it clicks up and back down.
Can do by pushing the throttle cable or by sitting in the car and revving little past 4100 RPM and having someone else watch to see if it clicks up and back down.
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After getting mine replaced the actuator is different and is in a case like the 2003s. I can't just look at it to see if it is working.
So instead I take it to the track every 2 months to make sure I'm still getting all the HP I should be.
So instead I take it to the track every 2 months to make sure I'm still getting all the HP I should be.
05-01-2004, 03:39 PM
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Originally posted by Justin.CL
I have never checked mine. I should probably do that. Thanks for the advice Chopper.
I have never checked mine. I should probably do that. Thanks for the advice Chopper.
, reason I asked, is there have been quite a few people on here that have had theirs stop working, which leads to loss of power.
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05-01-2004, 06:19 PM
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times up, here is what it is . .
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Fitted exclusively on the Type S model, this revolutionary induction
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separated by a valve which opens at 3800 rpm and is actuated by an
electric motor.
During this valve’s closed-stage at low to mid engine speed operation,
a Resonance Charge condition exists in which pressure pulsations
between cylinder banks are separated. In doing so, air filling the
cylinders increases aided by resonance energy (Helmholz principle).
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improvements were made to reduce air intake restriction and increase
total air flow volume through a larger 64mm bore throttle body, along
with an overall low restriction, air induction system, including a free
flow air filter.
Fitted exclusively on the Type S model, this revolutionary induction
system is the heart of the class-leading 260 horsepower engine. This
system uses a large, two-chamber intake plenum. The chambers are
separated by a valve which opens at 3800 rpm and is actuated by an
electric motor.
During this valve’s closed-stage at low to mid engine speed operation,
a Resonance Charge condition exists in which pressure pulsations
between cylinder banks are separated. In doing so, air filling the
cylinders increases aided by resonance energy (Helmholz principle).
When this valve opens during mid to high engine speed operation, an
Inertial Charge condition is achieved and increased cylinder filling
occurs when the manifold volume (plenum) is increased and the
resonance condition is eliminated. This phenomena utilizes the high
flow mass to pressurize the manifold, producing a natural
"supercharger" effect.
This increased airflow and increased cylinder filling is the fundamental
reason for the efficient combustion and subsequent power. Additional
improvements were made to reduce air intake restriction and increase
total air flow volume through a larger 64mm bore throttle body, along
with an overall low restriction, air induction system, including a free
flow air filter.
05-01-2004, 06:56 PM
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Originally posted by Dan
. . . and NO to you too sir!
Come on someone tell the noobs what it does
. . . and NO to you too sir!
Come on someone tell the noobs what it does
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Originally posted by Justin.CL
How much to replace it if it is not working? Any idea?
How much to replace it if it is not working? Any idea?
EDIT: Prices are there IF your car is no longer under warranty. Obviously it will be of no charge if you still are covered.
05-01-2004, 07:27 PM
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Yes, but the switch from closed to open occurs during Vtec. With the actuator closed vtec really doesn't help without the added airflow and cyclinder pressure from the opening of the actuator.
Yes, but the switch from closed to open occurs during Vtec. With the actuator closed vtec really doesn't help without the added airflow and cyclinder pressure from the opening of the actuator.
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05-01-2004, 07:28 PM
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i check mine every once in a while.
05-01-2004, 07:34 PM
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Originally posted by mrsteve
Yes, but the switch from closed to open occurs during Vtec. With the actuator closed vtec really doesn't help without the added airflow and cyclinder pressure from the opening of the actuator.
Yes, but the switch from closed to open occurs during Vtec. With the actuator closed vtec really doesn't help without the added airflow and cyclinder pressure from the opening of the actuator.
BUT, I thought I read that the Acutator opens at 4100 RPMS and not 3800.
05-01-2004, 08:13 PM
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Originally posted by mrsteve
After getting mine replaced the actuator is different and is in a case like the 2003s. I can't just look at it to see if it is working.
After getting mine replaced the actuator is different and is in a case like the 2003s. I can't just look at it to see if it is working.
Maybe you mean manual trannys? I've got an auto tranny.
05-01-2004, 10:26 PM
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What planet are you guys on? I just grab the throttle body cam thingie and rev it up till the actuator opens. You can easily see it from the side. No problimo 
05-02-2004, 12:12 AM
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Originally posted by einsatz
What are you talking about? I've got a 2003 and I can see it just fine. I've had ppl apply throttle while I see it flip open/closed.
Maybe you mean manual trannys? I've got an auto tranny.
What are you talking about? I've got a 2003 and I can see it just fine. I've had ppl apply throttle while I see it flip open/closed.
Maybe you mean manual trannys? I've got an auto tranny.
05-02-2004, 12:13 AM
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Incase anyone is wondering what everyone is talking about, check this link here:
Link
It has pictures and a movie which shows where the actuator is and what it should look like when it opens/closes.
I have a 2003 TL-S and I can see mine move when it opens/closes. Although it didn't do much when it was sitting disconnected in my f'in engine bay.
Now that its connected back up again I'll probably be checking it every once in awhile. BTW- Where is the throttle body cable that I can use to get the engine to rev up w/o having to have someone sit in the car and step on the gas??
Link
It has pictures and a movie which shows where the actuator is and what it should look like when it opens/closes.
I have a 2003 TL-S and I can see mine move when it opens/closes. Although it didn't do much when it was sitting disconnected in my f'in engine bay.
Now that its connected back up again I'll probably be checking it every once in awhile. BTW- Where is the throttle body cable that I can use to get the engine to rev up w/o having to have someone sit in the car and step on the gas??
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Originally posted by Dan
No again sir. Acutator=3800rpm & Vtec=4800rpm. I agree that VTEC is worth squat without the actuator, but they are two different systems.
No again sir. Acutator=3800rpm & Vtec=4800rpm. I agree that VTEC is worth squat without the actuator, but they are two different systems.
Also, the IMRC doesn't open till 4100 rpm, not 3800.
05-02-2004, 12:26 AM
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Yeah a broken (or missing in my case) actuator definitely makes the car slower. With Headers+Intake my car was slower at the track then it was stock! I was running 15.0s flat completely stock, and I was running 15.2s with my mods but a broken actuator ... it definitely makes a big difference!
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Yeah HUGE difference. With Icebox and a broken actuator I ran 15.1. After I got it fixed I ran 14.5 under the same temperatures and at the same track!!! HUGE difference! You lose close to 20 WHP in the VTEC range.
05-02-2004, 03:29 AM
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Figured I bring this to light, glad to see everyone is cheking theirs out. We wouldn't want to LOSE power.
05-02-2004, 06:54 AM
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Originally posted by Bobbydoedoe
i'm still confuse how a acutator looks like and what to look for, can anyone video their actuator in action? thx in advance
i'm still confuse how a acutator looks like and what to look for, can anyone video their actuator in action? thx in advance
05-02-2004, 07:35 AM
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Originally posted by mrsteve
When they replaced mine the unit looks completely different than the original one. I can't see it flip open like before. The new one is incased in black plastic. Maybe they designed a new one because of the problems with the one from the factory.
When they replaced mine the unit looks completely different than the original one. I can't see it flip open like before. The new one is incased in black plastic. Maybe they designed a new one because of the problems with the one from the factory.
Wouldn't that be a TSB or recall to have everyone get this cover to prevent a failure?