Comptech SC ouput is on a constant 2 PSI!!
10-27-2002, 09:25 AM
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Comptech SC output is on a constant 2 PSI!!
Read it here...
:http://www.v6accord.com/forums/showt...475#post123475
CT SC Accord Guys have a lot of problems they are geting a max of STD 40 WHP and nowhere near 230 WHP as claimed by Comptech average dyno tops at 200 STD WHP and if lucky 220 STD WHP!!1
But Oh my God only 2 PSI!.... Those guys are in shock!
:http://www.v6accord.com/forums/showt...475#post123475
CT SC Accord Guys have a lot of problems they are geting a max of STD 40 WHP and nowhere near 230 WHP as claimed by Comptech average dyno tops at 200 STD WHP and if lucky 220 STD WHP!!1
But Oh my God only 2 PSI!.... Those guys are in shock!
10-27-2002, 09:50 AM
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Reading that whole thread is freakin funny...
The CLS dude claimed his 2nd gear shifts at 90mph (which Nashua pointed out the error)
The CLS dude claims his car would run a 14.6 1/4 STOCK...
The funniest part is the STOCK CLS is still beating the S/C Accord in a race. I never would have thought that...
The CLS dude claimed his 2nd gear shifts at 90mph (which Nashua pointed out the error)
The CLS dude claims his car would run a 14.6 1/4 STOCK...
The funniest part is the STOCK CLS is still beating the S/C Accord in a race. I never would have thought that...
10-27-2002, 10:40 AM
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it seems like that guy TAG is pulling 219.4 HP and 184.6 ft/lb torque on the dyno. i know for sure that the stock av6 runs about 155-162 hp and with all bolt ons except for SC somewhere between 180-190. assuming he ran the car with all bolt ons first then with SC the net gain of the SC is about 30-40 hp to the wheels. so he is putting out about 270-277 hp at the crank. how is he getting that from only 2 psi?
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10-27-2002, 10:52 AM
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Well... to start with... a SC should add at least 35% to 45% more to the wheels.. if I have a CLS with 200 WHP stock.. I will only consider a SC if I can see 300 WHP but since it is an Auto... I would say forget unless I get a re worked tranny that can support 300 WHP!
10-27-2002, 11:38 AM
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Man nashua we love ya and all but you love to get worked up over nothing that kid is attempting to run a VAFC and an ESM. The other guy, TAG, who is pulling what Cmptch advertised doesn't have the VAFC.
10-27-2002, 12:16 PM
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good for them... But really I feel for them... you spend $5K to get up to speed with a CLS.... go trade your car for CLS-6 and you are all set...
On the other hand... I am not upset... I am just shocked to hear that the guy is reading only 2 PSI
On the other hand... I am not upset... I am just shocked to hear that the guy is reading only 2 PSI
10-27-2002, 12:17 PM
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BTW, 2 PSI how much is it in Bar or 100% of atmoshperic pressure?
1 Bar is 14.5 PSI... so 2/14.5 PSI is 13.79% of 1 Bar...
a 4.5 PSI... would be 31.03 % of a 1 Bar...
1 Bar is 14.5 PSI... so 2/14.5 PSI is 13.79% of 1 Bar...
a 4.5 PSI... would be 31.03 % of a 1 Bar...
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10-27-2002, 12:36 PM
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i believe it's 0 psi 
10-27-2002, 02:37 PM
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they both have stock crank pulley, thats what they said anyway 
10-27-2002, 02:40 PM
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Originally posted by Nashua_Night_Hawk
BTW, 2 PSI how much is it in Bar or 100% of atmoshperic pressure?
1 Bar is 14.5 PSI... so 2/14.5 PSI is 13.79% of 1 Bar...
a 4.5 PSI... would be 31.03 % of a 1 Bar...
BTW, 2 PSI how much is it in Bar or 100% of atmoshperic pressure?
1 Bar is 14.5 PSI... so 2/14.5 PSI is 13.79% of 1 Bar...
a 4.5 PSI... would be 31.03 % of a 1 Bar...
10-28-2002, 09:11 AM
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The CLS dude claims his car would run a 14.6 1/4 STOCK...
The CLS dude claims his car would run a 14.6 1/4 STOCK...
That guy is on this board with the same username....
As far as I can remember, I can't recall anyone running an easy 14.6 stock.... I'd have to see the slips for that. I remember seeing a 14.8 though....
10-28-2002, 09:47 AM
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Well, NitroTiger runs a 14.6 stock, but he seems to have somekind of a CLS on steroids... Maybe it's possible.
Well, NitroTiger runs a 14.6 stock, but he seems to have somekind of a CLS on steroids... Maybe it's possible.
10-28-2002, 12:32 PM
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hmmm...Nashua get off teh OBX ricer nutsack aqnd understand taht the 30-40whp is throughout the powerband with lots of torque down low...I'd rather have 30 whp throughout the powerband than 50 up at peak. Not to mention the load of torque a the bottom end.
10-28-2002, 02:49 PM
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Originally posted by moomaster_99
Your dyno that is jacked up??? Yes, I've seen it.......nexty tiem you get a dyno...dont go to Billy Joe Bob's
Your dyno that is jacked up??? Yes, I've seen it.......nexty tiem you get a dyno...dont go to Billy Joe Bob's
10-28-2002, 05:10 PM
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Originally posted by mattg
i believe it's 0 psi
i believe it's 0 psi
Funny shit matt!!
10-28-2002, 11:34 PM
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It's "That CL Dude" you guys keep talking about.
I apologize for the 90mph estimate, I guess I was on crack that day.
We started the thread to give people an idea of the S/C Accord vs. a stock CLS both with J-blocs.
Tool is using the CL as a measuring stick for his supercharger and I'm having some fun with him until it gets dialed in.
His VAFC was screwing up the signals being sent by the ESM from Comptech as they were fighting each other. We also noticed that his supercharger pulley alignment was about a 1/4" off line causing belt distress.
He had those things fixed today and the supercharger showed 5 pounds of boost!
We raced tonight and we were neck and neck, very tight either way. When Tool gets his 5.5 pulley from Comptech, it's then a different story.
After my pulley, icebox and comptech header, I will hopefully re-take him even with his 5.5 pounds of boost.
I apologize for the 90mph estimate, I guess I was on crack that day.
We started the thread to give people an idea of the S/C Accord vs. a stock CLS both with J-blocs.
Tool is using the CL as a measuring stick for his supercharger and I'm having some fun with him until it gets dialed in.
His VAFC was screwing up the signals being sent by the ESM from Comptech as they were fighting each other. We also noticed that his supercharger pulley alignment was about a 1/4" off line causing belt distress.
He had those things fixed today and the supercharger showed 5 pounds of boost!
We raced tonight and we were neck and neck, very tight either way. When Tool gets his 5.5 pulley from Comptech, it's then a different story.
After my pulley, icebox and comptech header, I will hopefully re-take him even with his 5.5 pounds of boost.
10-29-2002, 12:06 AM
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Originally posted by sonor kid
It's "That CL Dude" you guys keep talking about.
I apologize for the 90mph estimate, I guess I was on crack that day.
We started the thread to give people an idea of the S/C Accord vs. a stock CLS both with J-blocs.
Tool is using the CL as a measuring stick for his supercharger and I'm having some fun with him until it gets dialed in.
His VAFC was screwing up the signals being sent by the ESM from Comptech as they were fighting each other. We also noticed that his supercharger pulley alignment was about a 1/4" off line causing belt distress.
He had those things fixed today and the supercharger showed 5 pounds of boost!
We raced tonight and we were neck and neck, very tight either way. When Tool gets his 5.5 pulley from Comptech, it's then a different story.
After my pulley, icebox and comptech header, I will hopefully re-take him even with his 5.5 pounds of boost.
It's "That CL Dude" you guys keep talking about.
I apologize for the 90mph estimate, I guess I was on crack that day.
We started the thread to give people an idea of the S/C Accord vs. a stock CLS both with J-blocs.
Tool is using the CL as a measuring stick for his supercharger and I'm having some fun with him until it gets dialed in.
His VAFC was screwing up the signals being sent by the ESM from Comptech as they were fighting each other. We also noticed that his supercharger pulley alignment was about a 1/4" off line causing belt distress.
He had those things fixed today and the supercharger showed 5 pounds of boost!
We raced tonight and we were neck and neck, very tight either way. When Tool gets his 5.5 pulley from Comptech, it's then a different story.
After my pulley, icebox and comptech header, I will hopefully re-take him even with his 5.5 pounds of boost.
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10-29-2002, 03:07 AM
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as i mentioned on the other site , one thing they forgot to take in to account was the cl-s was on shitty stock tires w/ heavy ass stock rims. vs. where he was on Z rated tires w/ light volk rims.
10-29-2002, 09:02 AM
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Originally posted by Nashua_Night_Hawk
Just be cooll with those V6 Acocrd guys... Okay...
Just be cooll with those V6 Acocrd guys... Okay...
Some just don't like anyone saying anything subjective.
10-29-2002, 11:53 AM
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Originally posted by sonor kid
His VAFC was screwing up the signals being sent by the ESM from Comptech as they were fighting each other.
His VAFC was screwing up the signals being sent by the ESM from Comptech as they were fighting each other.
The ESM was not fighting anything; the ESM is a passive unit. It simply clamps the MAP voltage output at a certain level to avoid setting a DTC in the ECU when it sees positive manifold pressure. If run in series with the ESM first, the VAFC will not see positive manifold pressure negating its ability to add the required fuel as boost increases. If run in series with the ESM last and the VAFC first then the VAFC could see boost but the ESM would clamp the output to the ECU as it should.
The one thing that should be remembered, the ECU can see boost and will set a DTC when boost is detected. This is what the ESM is for. Additionally, the VAFC has no purpose on a boosted engine unless larger injectors are being used and need to be compensated for. Otherwise it provides no benefit as it will not see boost or its output will be clamped so that the ECU does not see positive manifold pressure.
If stock injectors are used, DO NOT uses the VAFC; it will provide zero benefit as it cannot compensate for anything above ambient pressure. Just use the Comptech supplied FPR along with the ESM and things will works much better. What worries me is that a shop doing installs cannot understand this or use common sense in these matters...
10-29-2002, 11:55 AM
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Originally posted by sonor kid
He had those things fixed today and the supercharger showed 5 pounds of boost!
He had those things fixed today and the supercharger showed 5 pounds of boost!
10-29-2002, 01:45 PM
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the v-afc has either no or negative effects if you use it with forced induction...i think that there is a v-afc that works with turbos but it has many more features and needless to say..is hundreds of dollars more..
i still trust the comptech dyno of 300-310 on the 6speed...sounds legit...
i still trust the comptech dyno of 300-310 on the 6speed...sounds legit...
10-29-2002, 02:00 PM
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Originally posted by mike8_5_8to6_1_9
the v-afc has either no or negative effects if you use it with forced induction...i think that there is a v-afc that works with turbos but it has many more features and needless to say..is hundreds of dollars more..
the v-afc has either no or negative effects if you use it with forced induction...i think that there is a v-afc that works with turbos but it has many more features and needless to say..is hundreds of dollars more..
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