Read it here...

:http://www.v6accord.com/forums/showt...475#post123475

CT SC Accord Guys have a lot of problems they are geting a max of STD 40 WHP and nowhere near 230 WHP as claimed by Comptech average dyno tops at 200 STD WHP and if lucky 220 STD WHP!!1

But Oh my God only 2 PSI!.... Those guys are in shock!

 

Reading that whole thread is freakin funny...

The CLS dude claimed his 2nd gear shifts at 90mph (which Nashua pointed out the error)

The CLS dude claims his car would run a 14.6 1/4 STOCK...



The funniest part is the STOCK CLS is still beating the S/C Accord in a race. I never would have thought that...

 

it seems like that guy TAG is pulling 219.4 HP and 184.6 ft/lb torque on the dyno. i know for sure that the stock av6 runs about 155-162 hp and with all bolt ons except for SC somewhere between 180-190. assuming he ran the car with all bolt ons first then with SC the net gain of the SC is about 30-40 hp to the wheels. so he is putting out about 270-277 hp at the crank. how is he getting that from only 2 psi?

sidemarker

 

Well... to start with... a SC should add at least 35% to 45% more to the wheels.. if I have a CLS with 200 WHP stock.. I will only consider a SC if I can see 300 WHP but since it is an Auto... I would say forget unless I get a re worked tranny that can support 300 WHP!

 

Man nashua we love ya and all but you love to get worked up over nothing that kid is attempting to run a VAFC and an ESM. The other guy, TAG, who is pulling what Cmptch advertised doesn't have the VAFC.

 

good for them... But really I feel for them... you spend $5K to get up to speed with a CLS.... go trade your car for CLS-6 and you are all set...

On the other hand... I am not upset... I am just shocked to hear that the guy is reading only 2 PSI

 

BTW, 2 PSI how much is it in Bar or 100% of atmoshperic pressure?

1 Bar is 14.5 PSI... so 2/14.5 PSI is 13.79% of 1 Bar...
a 4.5 PSI... would be 31.03 % of a 1 Bar...

 

what is it for the 6 speed CL ?

 

i believe it's 0 psi

 

its simple why theyre getting only 2 p.s.i...bet they have pulleys and are in effect underdriving the S/C

 

they both have stock crank pulley, thats what they said anyway

 

14.72 is considered ambient pressure at sea level but of course the varies with the weather. One Bar is ambient pressure but this 2 PSI would be above ambient so in absolute pressure it would be 1.136 Bar.

 

what is it for the supercharger for the six speed .. better ?????

 

(mattg)

 

That guy is on this board with the same username....

As far as I can remember, I can't recall anyone running an easy 14.6 stock.... I'd have to see the slips for that. I remember seeing a 14.8 though....

 

Well, NitroTiger runs a 14.6 stock, but he seems to have somekind of a CLS on steroids... Maybe it's possible.

 

Now that you mention it I do remember a post about that. There are a couple that could run it I suppose... as not all cars always run equal times.... some cars are quicker then the others. Hopefully mine is one of those. Guess I'll find out in 3 weeks

 

hmmm...Nashua get off teh OBX ricer nutsack aqnd understand taht the 30-40whp is throughout the powerband with lots of torque down low...I'd rather have 30 whp throughout the powerband than 50 up at peak. Not to mention the load of torque a the bottom end.

 

Have you seen my dyno?

 

Your dyno that is jacked up??? Yes, I've seen it.......nexty tiem you get a dyno...dont go to Billy Joe Bob's

 

Lol!! What's about Moomaster's Custom Excel Dynos for $9.99?

 

Funny shit matt!!

 

hahahaha ... The MMI's dyno? hahahah

 

5 mins to make

 

It's "That CL Dude" you guys keep talking about.
I apologize for the 90mph estimate, I guess I was on crack that day.
We started the thread to give people an idea of the S/C Accord vs. a stock CLS both with J-blocs.
Tool is using the CL as a measuring stick for his supercharger and I'm having some fun with him until it gets dialed in.
His VAFC was screwing up the signals being sent by the ESM from Comptech as they were fighting each other. We also noticed that his supercharger pulley alignment was about a 1/4" off line causing belt distress.
He had those things fixed today and the supercharger showed 5 pounds of boost!
We raced tonight and we were neck and neck, very tight either way. When Tool gets his 5.5 pulley from Comptech, it's then a different story.
After my pulley, icebox and comptech header, I will hopefully re-take him even with his 5.5 pounds of boost.

 

Just be cooll with those V6 Acocrd guys... Okay...

 

so you're the one whos running 14.6 stock????

sidemarker

 

as i mentioned on the other site , one thing they forgot to take in to account was the cl-s was on shitty stock tires w/ heavy ass stock rims. vs. where he was on Z rated tires w/ light volk rims.

 

I'm trying!!!

Some just don't like anyone saying anything subjective.

 

No offense intended but it seems like work is being done on these cars without proper knowledge of the components being used. It also appears, based on that Accord thread I read, that the function of the ESM is not understood.

The ESM was not fighting anything; the ESM is a passive unit. It simply clamps the MAP voltage output at a certain level to avoid setting a DTC in the ECU when it sees positive manifold pressure. If run in series with the ESM first, the VAFC will not see positive manifold pressure negating its ability to add the required fuel as boost increases. If run in series with the ESM last and the VAFC first then the VAFC could see boost but the ESM would clamp the output to the ECU as it should.

The one thing that should be remembered, the ECU can see boost and will set a DTC when boost is detected. This is what the ESM is for. Additionally, the VAFC has no purpose on a boosted engine unless larger injectors are being used and need to be compensated for. Otherwise it provides no benefit as it will not see boost or its output will be clamped so that the ECU does not see positive manifold pressure.

If stock injectors are used, DO NOT uses the VAFC; it will provide zero benefit as it cannot compensate for anything above ambient pressure. Just use the Comptech supplied FPR along with the ESM and things will works much better. What worries me is that a shop doing installs cannot understand this or use common sense in these matters...

 

Where is manifold pressure being measured??

 

the v-afc has either no or negative effects if you use it with forced induction...i think that there is a v-afc that works with turbos but it has many more features and needless to say..is hundreds of dollars more..

i still trust the comptech dyno of 300-310 on the 6speed...sounds legit...

 

It might not have a negative impact if set up properly but cannot be used for fuel enhancement when under boost. With fuel correction being one of the primary points to this unit and with the limitation to the ECU seeing positive pressure, the benefits are lost. Now if someone likes the looks of it and use the display functionality then it is very useful.