For the MILLIONTH time you don’t have to remove the bumper to install a CAI.

Shawn S

 

You'll hear it but it will not be as loud as the AEM. It'll be a deeper rumble more then the AEM scream.


You never have to remove the bumper!!!! Even for the AEM there is NO reason to remove the bumper.

 

yeah, why the hell would a company want to do that



you really do need to chill the fuck out sometimes jim.

 

oH, JUST tryin to change the subject in here: it was gettin WARM

 

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAh Yeah, they actually do.....I have my very own cls 4x4.

 

Hey zapata, did you hear the new info i posted in the TEIN SS thread?

 

slyraskal,
I think....i'll go check again. Thank!!!!!!!

 

this is interesting though and if the gains are impressive, I would trade in my xephyr for this...

but it makes me wonder (having advanced fluids in college)...this helmholz effect is supposed to optimize air charge depending on RPM. I can see the obvious effects on a cl-p or a car without a variable intake manifold. But what about the type-s? If there is a sudden change in shape/area/volume of the airpath, the air is going to go turbulent and probably lose it's "helmholz"-ness, and this would happen as soon it hits the stock air manifold. That's why the stock dual stage manifold is mounted right on top of the engine instead of further upstream.

But this is my guess. I can't see the effect of the charged air traveling in the same manner through the stock manifold on the type-s.

 

I know that a lot of companies out there try to sell things CLAIMING more power, however, based on AEM's reputation, I don't feel they fall in the same category as those other companies. Almost every product AEM has come out with (exept for brakes) have proven themselves on the dyno. The jury is still out on the V2 because it is not available for the CL-S yet, therefore, we cannot prove if their marketing is REAL or BS.

IMO: I think we should give them the benefit of the doubt until they give us a reason to doubt them.

Just my

 

Let's wait and see what the dyno results reveal if they make one for the CL-S. When i spoke with them yesterday, the guy said they don't have plans as of yet for one for the CL-S. But let's wait and see.

 

Agreed. Proof is in the pudding but to say that it's BS product is just stupid.

 

Guys I can't wait cause Im just getting the Comptech headers and the Ice-Box in the same week. Wow Im gonna be putting on some miles this month

 

Shawn, it's not a matter of being able to do it or not. But there is a whole area of design -- and books -- related to the topic of "maintainability."

I've pulled-out engines and burnt and smacked my knuckles over the years getting to parts that were in tight locations and had bits of junk drop into my eyes fixing stuff by the side of the road while upside down (thank God that was rare). The AEM is NOT designed to be worked on by dealers; the filter element cleaning takes a while. I have a spare air filter myself to allow the replacement to go in while the original filter dries. If I get too busy, my dealer is not going to do the filter job for me.

I am glad you’re happy with the under-the-car ritual. AS with some hobbies and pursuits, I've gotten tired of doing things that can be done in an easier fashion. For example, I can exchange a factory filter with a hand wipe, 2 minutes, and a white shirt and/or Armani suit on. I can't say the same for the AEM. THE Comptech IceBox locates the filter set on the topside of the car’s engine bay and even guys like me -- with bad backs -- can smile when they change the filter(s). If the Comptech specs (HP/TQ gains) are anywhere close to the AEM's, I'll be getting it. A zero hydrolock possibility only adds to the incentive. I'm not sure what they are going to do to solve that, but I did consider that the use of two filters would allow a smart person to put a "flapper valve" between two filters and this would allow zero loss of HP and still protect from water ingestion.

If AEM makes 10-15HP more than the Comptech, I'll "deal with it." There can be trade-offs between performance and maintainability. All of the various attributes and hassles tally up in my mind like a Consumer Reports or Car Test “comparo” test.

The AEM's low scores -- from me -- would be for: poor design in bypass install and summer conversion via hose; reports of breakage on the support bracket due to poor workmanship; a less than even response to customer problems with it; and a maintenance design that requires much more time required with the factory and/or Comptech offerings.


Does that answer part of your question?

Have you ever done some routine task for so long, that it no longer is new and/or novel? Hey, for me, some stuff gets old -- and I don't have to get to the filter that often. If I did, it would already be gone.

 

Jim, please tone it down.

If Acura had drawn a picture of the workings of the dual-mode intake manifold with an animated diagram, I wonder how many people would have laughed if the presentation was a bit "simplistic"/cartoonish."

The whole idea of having the larger tube is to form a resonant cavity. I'm pretty sure the pipe inside is the same size. I also have stated my concerns that AEM (1) had not made or announced a version for the CLS (but it has for the CL), (2) that it might have problems with the resonant effects of the dual-stage intake on our car, and (3) can’t see where any bypass valve would go – if needed (if anyone knows that this unit doesn’t need a anti-hydrolock device, please let me know)..

The irony here is vortex and resonance charging is good for airflow, and various manufacturers use air swirl (a vortex) to help with combustion and airflow issues.

There is no need for the profanities. You’re entitled to your opinion, but please keep it civil -- OK?

 

I paid $200 (shipped) for my Injen CAI... that was 2 years ago. If I had the option to buy the CT Icebox for $240 (shipped) I wuold not hesitate for a sec.

I still love my CAI... it just needs to be cleaned!

 

i dont get the intall part....some of u say that there is no need to take the stock bumper off...but when i installed the CAI for my accord v6, i had to remove the whole thing, and i beleive its the same for the CL....how the hell do u get that entire airbox out w/o removing the bumper? doesnt make sense....

 

how do u do it w/o removing the bumper? part of the OEM air filter component is below and out of reach...i had to do it for my v6 accord...there was no way for me to take the entire airbox out w/o takin the bumper off first...all the bolts were hidden...is the CL different?

 

how the hell did u get the entire thing out w/o removing the bumper?

 

 

no Sh!t

 

There is a plastic piece that is held by clips. You pull that down and you have access to the resonator.

 

they are all saying that theres no need to remove it...then y the hell did i spend all that time taking it off? several times for that matter, when servicing the filter...if theres another method, id really like to know

 

I'll take pics tonight when i get home You'll kick yourself!!!!

 

Supposing one didn't want to tackle this themselves, what's a reasonable Install time and $$ on something like this ?

 

trust me, do it yourself....its not that hard, and some pple will charge u a grip to do it....I did mine myself on the accord...was pretty simple actually...u just need the right sockets....on a scale of 1-10 in difficulty, id say its a 2 or 3.....If ur close to So. Cali, id be happy to help u....i just hate to remove the bumper, but pple here are saying u dont

 

It shouldn't take more than hour for somebody who's done it before....if they have no help. If you don't have experience then it'll take two.

 

itll take u about less than an hour, maybe 2 if ur not skilled...and believe me, i know nothing about cars...it just seems intimidating becasue of all that shit in the engine bay, but all u need to remove is a couple of things...

 

do you seriously remove the entire bumper to install the CAI??? oh my god....there is definately no need for that, i didnt think anyone actually did that!!!

 

how did u do it?

how the hell do u get that airbox out? it sits below the battery inside the bumper

 

when you park your car, you crank the wheel all the way to the left, then you take out the clips holding the underside of the fenderwell up to the underside of the bumper...there are about 3-4 clips from what i remember (its been awhile)

then you simply bend down the plastic fenderwell (its very flexible) and you can easily install, remove the filter of the intake....it takes about 3 minutes to take off the clips and get access to this...there where pictures here somewhere last year but i havent seen them since, the pictures very vividly show exactly what im trying to describe.

 

check out these very comprehensive installation instrutions. These are what I used, and didn't have to remove the bumper.

http://wizardsworks.org/chod/acura/cai/

Here's a pic of the splash guard you have to remove to access the resonator.

 

 

The resonator comes out the bottom and the filter box comes out the top.
What’s so hard about THAT?

I would link you to my install instructions with photos, but the darn SEARCH function till isn’t reading 2002 posts correctly.

Shawn S

 

only 4 more days and counting. can't hold off much longer :bubbarubb
LOU

 

that installation guide is EXACTLY what i was looking for, it shows how easy it is to install the CAI without removing the bumper.....but i gotta say, everytime i see it, that dudes fingernails give me the creeps......MAN OH MAN!!

 

Guitar player with no nail file and wire cutters for clippers

 

Just got the word Ice-Box is in transit so ETA hopefully Fri. but probably Monday