Comment on Eclipse's Jack Stand Incident
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Comment on Eclipse's Jack Stand Incident
sorry to burst your bubble man but I think it was totally "YOUR" fault, here is my reasoning...I read your post and it was said that you...
1.Jacked the car up
2.Proceeded to take the wheel off
3.After you took off wheel the car fell with the jack bending in half
So YOUR first mistake was, jacking up the car(This is not the first step in taking off the wheel). Second mistake was that, you didnt loosen the lugnuts BEFORE you attempted to jack the car up, which is the first golden rule when using the "shitty" factory jacks...this prevents extra weight of you pushing down on the 80lbs of torque that is applied onto each lugnut...which in turn would definetly stress the "stress points" (no pun intended) and the nonetheless "shitty factory jacks."
So while I admit the factory jacks cannot hold a whole lot of weight, this incident was basically YOUR fault...
but glad you didnt get hurt and use this as one of your life's valuable lessons...
Flame On!!!
1.Jacked the car up
2.Proceeded to take the wheel off
3.After you took off wheel the car fell with the jack bending in half
So YOUR first mistake was, jacking up the car(This is not the first step in taking off the wheel). Second mistake was that, you didnt loosen the lugnuts BEFORE you attempted to jack the car up, which is the first golden rule when using the "shitty" factory jacks...this prevents extra weight of you pushing down on the 80lbs of torque that is applied onto each lugnut...which in turn would definetly stress the "stress points" (no pun intended) and the nonetheless "shitty factory jacks."
So while I admit the factory jacks cannot hold a whole lot of weight, this incident was basically YOUR fault...
but glad you didnt get hurt and use this as one of your life's valuable lessons...
Flame On!!!
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Well, this MAY be true.
Although, Acura fails to give proper directions to doing so.
If you read the procedures on the jack, eclipse, did the right thing, so it is not "HIS FAULT".
I would have done the same. These jacks were not meant to be used by mechanics, they were meant for the car owners, which may very well not be to knowledgable in "jack reliability".
Although, Acura fails to give proper directions to doing so.
If you read the procedures on the jack, eclipse, did the right thing, so it is not "HIS FAULT".
I would have done the same. These jacks were not meant to be used by mechanics, they were meant for the car owners, which may very well not be to knowledgable in "jack reliability".
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Also, why would your comment on the matter be any more important than anyone elses comment, why exactly would your comment need its own thread?
If i started a thread, everytime i wanted to comment to a post...Well...thats unthinkable
If i started a thread, everytime i wanted to comment to a post...Well...thats unthinkable
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Originally posted by SinnedTL:
<STRONG>sorry to burst your bubble man but I think it was totally "YOUR" fault, here is my reasoning...I read your post and it was said that you...
1.Jacked the car up
2.Proceeded to take the wheel off
3.After you took off wheel the car fell with the jack bending in half
So YOUR first mistake was, jacking up the car(This is not the first step in taking off the wheel). Second mistake was that, you didnt loosen the lugnuts BEFORE you attempted to jack the car up, which is the first golden rule when using the "shitty" factory jacks...this prevents extra weight of you pushing down on the 80lbs of torque that is applied onto each lugnut...which in turn would definetly stress the "stress points" (no pun intended) and the nonetheless "shitty factory jacks."
So while I admit the factory jacks cannot hold a whole lot of weight, this incident was basically YOUR fault...
but glad you didnt get hurt and use this as one of your life's valuable lessons...
Flame On!!!</STRONG>
<STRONG>sorry to burst your bubble man but I think it was totally "YOUR" fault, here is my reasoning...I read your post and it was said that you...
1.Jacked the car up
2.Proceeded to take the wheel off
3.After you took off wheel the car fell with the jack bending in half
So YOUR first mistake was, jacking up the car(This is not the first step in taking off the wheel). Second mistake was that, you didnt loosen the lugnuts BEFORE you attempted to jack the car up, which is the first golden rule when using the "shitty" factory jacks...this prevents extra weight of you pushing down on the 80lbs of torque that is applied onto each lugnut...which in turn would definetly stress the "stress points" (no pun intended) and the nonetheless "shitty factory jacks."
So while I admit the factory jacks cannot hold a whole lot of weight, this incident was basically YOUR fault...
but glad you didnt get hurt and use this as one of your life's valuable lessons...
Flame On!!!</STRONG>
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Even though he didn't type in the "loosen the lug nut detail", I beleive he did. It's nearly impossible to remove the front tires if the lugs weren't loose. The tire would spin freely as you try to loosen the lugs.
I think with all this weight saving, acura may have provided an inadequate jack.
I think with all this weight saving, acura may have provided an inadequate jack.
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hmmm, we had a service clinic at the dealership, we had a demonstration on how to jack up the car, the factory jack worked fine, i'll grant you its not like they are machines from billit 6075 aluminum or anything, but they do the job
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Originally posted by mdaniel:
<STRONG>Didn't you learn anything from the flame wars after Revolver's crash? You can't blame anyone for their misfortune on this board.</STRONG>
<STRONG>Didn't you learn anything from the flame wars after Revolver's crash? You can't blame anyone for their misfortune on this board.</STRONG>
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Actually... it doesn't need to life 3,000 pounds. Al four wheels are not going to be lifted. Those little jacks more or less tilt the car a little just to life up one wheel. So I would guestimate that thing is lifting mo nore than 900 pounds. Think about it... Its not like lifting one leg of a chair, the wheels are not rigid, they tilt and are on springs. If he lifted two wheels of the car, he lifted it way too high.
When I had to change my tire, I thought the exact same thing. No way will this little peice of sheet metal support that car. So I lifted the one wheel (front left) about an inch. I did loosen the lug nuts half a turn before lifting though. I always thought it was to prevent the threads from getting bent.
But... Is there a better type of jack that will fit in ourcompartment? What about those foot jacks I see on cartoons all the time?
When I had to change my tire, I thought the exact same thing. No way will this little peice of sheet metal support that car. So I lifted the one wheel (front left) about an inch. I did loosen the lug nuts half a turn before lifting though. I always thought it was to prevent the threads from getting bent.
But... Is there a better type of jack that will fit in ourcompartment? What about those foot jacks I see on cartoons all the time?
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Originally posted by SinnedTL:
<STRONG>sorry to burst your bubble man but I think it was totally "YOUR" fault, here is my reasoning...I read your post and it was said that you...
1.Jacked the car up
2.Proceeded to take the wheel off
3.After you took off wheel the car fell with the jack bending in half
So YOUR first mistake was, jacking up the car(This is not the first step in taking off the wheel). Second mistake was that, you didnt loosen the lugnuts BEFORE you attempted to jack the car up, which is the first golden rule when using the "shitty" factory jacks...this prevents extra weight of you pushing down on the 80lbs of torque that is applied onto each lugnut...which in turn would definetly stress the "stress points" (no pun intended) and the nonetheless "shitty factory jacks."
So while I admit the factory jacks cannot hold a whole lot of weight, this incident was basically YOUR fault...
but glad you didnt get hurt and use this as one of your life's valuable lessons...
Flame On!!!</STRONG>
<STRONG>sorry to burst your bubble man but I think it was totally "YOUR" fault, here is my reasoning...I read your post and it was said that you...
1.Jacked the car up
2.Proceeded to take the wheel off
3.After you took off wheel the car fell with the jack bending in half
So YOUR first mistake was, jacking up the car(This is not the first step in taking off the wheel). Second mistake was that, you didnt loosen the lugnuts BEFORE you attempted to jack the car up, which is the first golden rule when using the "shitty" factory jacks...this prevents extra weight of you pushing down on the 80lbs of torque that is applied onto each lugnut...which in turn would definetly stress the "stress points" (no pun intended) and the nonetheless "shitty factory jacks."
So while I admit the factory jacks cannot hold a whole lot of weight, this incident was basically YOUR fault...
but glad you didnt get hurt and use this as one of your life's valuable lessons...
Flame On!!!</STRONG>
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Originally posted by Rock Dog:
<STRONG>You have to jack up the car, to take the wheel off?
WTF?</STRONG>
<STRONG>You have to jack up the car, to take the wheel off?
WTF?</STRONG>
oh yeah, you just put it on a hydraulic lift 
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Originally posted by Rock Dog:
<STRONG>You have to jack up the car, to take the wheel off? WTF?</STRONG>
<STRONG>You have to jack up the car, to take the wheel off?
WTF?</STRONG>
You Fawkin Kiddin Me!
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God Damn.. you guys are analyzing this mishap too much.... fell bad for him, thank god it wasnt you and move on...hehehe..
I must say it was funny to read... Someones tragedy is always someones comedy.. but after seeing & hearing his car yesterday.... aint nothing wrong.. But after telling us how you checked to make sure nothing was wrong... ECLIPSE.. you one CRAZY MOFO!!!! :p 
I must say it was funny to read... Someones tragedy is always someones comedy.. but after seeing & hearing his car yesterday.... aint nothing wrong.. But after telling us how you checked to make sure nothing was wrong... ECLIPSE.. you one CRAZY MOFO!!!!
:p
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Originally posted by acura_service:
<STRONG>hmmm, we had a service clinic at the dealership, we had a demonstration on how to jack up the car, the factory jack worked fine, i'll grant you its not like they are machines from billit 6075 aluminum or anything, but they do the job</STRONG>
<STRONG>hmmm, we had a service clinic at the dealership, we had a demonstration on how to jack up the car, the factory jack worked fine, i'll grant you its not like they are machines from billit 6075 aluminum or anything, but they do the job</STRONG>
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From: CRY, CRY SOME MORE!
Originally posted by Casper98CL:
<STRONG>God Damn.. you guys are analyzing this mishap too much.... fell bad for him, thank god it wasnt you and move on...hehehe..
I must say it was funny to read... Someones tragedy is always someones comedy.. but after seeing & hearing his car yesterday.... aint nothing wrong.. But after telling us how you checked to make sure nothing was wrong... ECLIPSE.. you one CRAZY MOFO!!!! :p </STRONG>
<STRONG>God Damn.. you guys are analyzing this mishap too much.... fell bad for him, thank god it wasnt you and move on...hehehe..
I must say it was funny to read... Someones tragedy is always someones comedy.. but after seeing & hearing his car yesterday.... aint nothing wrong.. But after telling us how you checked to make sure nothing was wrong... ECLIPSE.. you one CRAZY MOFO!!!!
:p </STRONG>
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In order to eliminate the chance that anything can go wrong with the car up on the scissor jack, I always minimize the amount of time that the tire is off the car.
This means having the replacement tire right there next to the flat tire so that when you pull off the flat tire and drop it to the ground, the spare tire goes on in about 15-30 seconds.
I just don't trust those scissor jacks. That look too flimsy to do the hard job. And btw, I never crawl underneath a vehicle, ever. Why? Once the Midas mechanic tried to get me to walk underneath my car that was 6 feet up on hydraulics. No way.
This means having the replacement tire right there next to the flat tire so that when you pull off the flat tire and drop it to the ground, the spare tire goes on in about 15-30 seconds.
I just don't trust those scissor jacks. That look too flimsy to do the hard job. And btw, I never crawl underneath a vehicle, ever. Why? Once the Midas mechanic tried to get me to walk underneath my car that was 6 feet up on hydraulics. No way.
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Originally posted by eclipse23:
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Casper Man! Love your ride we gotta hang! Find a bar in the city and I'll find my way there LOL. We should have an NYC meet so we can all bend our rims!!!!!!! Hit me up on email or AIM!</STRONG>
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Casper Man! Love your ride we gotta hang! Find a bar in the city and I'll find my way there LOL. We should have an NYC meet so we can all bend our rims!!!!!!! Hit me up on email or AIM!</STRONG>
How far you from westchester (palisades Pkwy/Tappen ZEE or GW) Im 15mins from both...
Bars in Westchrester are hell of alot cheaper and decent crowds...
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Originally posted by amirsafdari:
<STRONG>Also, why would your comment on the matter be any more important than anyone elses comment, why exactly would your comment need its own thread?
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<STRONG>Also, why would your comment on the matter be any more important than anyone elses comment, why exactly would your comment need its own thread?
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For those, who do not trust the Acura jack, PepBoys sells a nice hydrolic scissor jack with a slot to fit the lifting point, in a plastic carrying case for about $ 40. I bought one and it works great.
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Originally posted by Guy with a really long account name:
<STRONG>I got it!
Eclipse, you need to have your 500 lb girlfriend get out of the car before jacking it up!
LOL!! </STRONG>
<STRONG>I got it!
Eclipse, you need to have your 500 lb girlfriend get out of the car before jacking it up!
LOL!!
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[ 08-21-2001: Message edited by: eclipse23 ]
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