CLS 6MT vs 98 Mustang
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CLS 6MT vs 98 Mustang
Just raced with a 98 Mustang 4.6L 5MT with headers on the express way. I have an 03 CLS 6MT with CT i/sc/h/bp/e. We had a couple of runs; rolling start and off-the-line.
On the rolling start, I was in 2nd and slightly behind when we went WOT. He started to pull a little until I got the revs up. I pulled even when I went into 3rd and was about 1-2 cars on him when I shut down at around 85.
On the off-the-line, I couldn't hookup in 1st and got some wheel hop. Second also hopped a little. After I shifted into 3rd, he was about 3 cars on me, but wasn't pulling away any more. When I shut down in 3rd. I was only about 2 cars behind.
These damn PS A/Ss are great for A/S tires, but are worthless for launching. If I had stickier tires, it would have been a much closer race off the line.
Anyway, before we did the off-the-line run, we briefly spoke and all exchanged info about our cars. He said he was surprised how I pulled on him in the first run. He also had his girl friend along for the ride.
On the rolling start, I was in 2nd and slightly behind when we went WOT. He started to pull a little until I got the revs up. I pulled even when I went into 3rd and was about 1-2 cars on him when I shut down at around 85.
On the off-the-line, I couldn't hookup in 1st and got some wheel hop. Second also hopped a little. After I shifted into 3rd, he was about 3 cars on me, but wasn't pulling away any more. When I shut down in 3rd. I was only about 2 cars behind.
These damn PS A/Ss are great for A/S tires, but are worthless for launching. If I had stickier tires, it would have been a much closer race off the line.
Anyway, before we did the off-the-line run, we briefly spoke and all exchanged info about our cars. He said he was surprised how I pulled on him in the first run. He also had his girl friend along for the ride.
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Originally posted by Seattle Cl-S
I don't understand this...you have a 6-spd w/ SC and that Mustang w/ only headers was competition for you???
I don't understand this...you have a 6-spd w/ SC and that Mustang w/ only headers was competition for you???
End result: I won the roller but lost off the line because of my tires.
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he must have had way more than headers. Those things were dogs stock and headers (with nothing else) will pretty much do nothing. Actually it will slow you down in the lower revs.
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uh no...
Originally posted by cls6sp03
I think he had more than just headers. I detected that maybe he wasn't telling me everything about his car. He was probably running a cam and a modded fuel system, etc. I didn't expect him to keep me from pulling more on him on the rolling start. I was even more surprised on how quick he jumped off the line.
End result: I won the roller but lost off the line because of my tires.
I think he had more than just headers. I detected that maybe he wasn't telling me everything about his car. He was probably running a cam and a modded fuel system, etc. I didn't expect him to keep me from pulling more on him on the rolling start. I was even more surprised on how quick he jumped off the line.
End result: I won the roller but lost off the line because of my tires.
p.s. -- Whoop... foot in mouth, you got the blower. . So yeah, he probably did have the PI swap. Still doubt on the CAM though... he "could" have had an SHM cam, but that's not usually a mod that '98's do... more likely PI head swap, headers, pulleys, etc. Or a blower... but if he had a blower, then you would have KNOWN for sure....
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damn bro why would you even post this? I would be depressed as fuck if i lost to an almost stock 98 mustang and had a S/Ced CL-S 6 speed. He must have had more mods than he said.
for admitting you got killed though
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Originally posted by SooDARK
damn bro why would you even post this? I would be depressed as fuck if i lost to an almost stock 98 mustang and had a S/Ced CL-S 6 speed. He must have had more mods than he said.
for admitting you got killed though
damn bro why would you even post this? I would be depressed as fuck if i lost to an almost stock 98 mustang and had a S/Ced CL-S 6 speed. He must have had more mods than he said.
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Originally posted by cls6sp03
Didn't you miss something? I beat him on the rolling start
but couldn't get traction off the line on the second run. He definitely had mods... I've races a number of cars (z28, fbird, BMW 540i/6 Dinan, GTI VR6) since the S/C was installed and won each race, some easily. But for some reason, this stang gave me the most challenge to date. Maybe my S/C belt is slipping
Didn't you miss something? I beat him on the rolling start
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Originally posted by cls6sp03
Didn't you miss something? I beat him on the rolling start
but couldn't get traction off the line on the second run. He definitely had mods... I've races a number of cars (z28, fbird, BMW 540i/6 Dinan, GTI VR6) since the S/C was installed and won each race, some easily. But for some reason, this stang gave me the most challenge to date. Maybe my S/C belt is slipping
Didn't you miss something? I beat him on the rolling start
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After racing a 350z 6MT this weekend and easily beating it by 4 cars up to 110 MPH without the need to quick shift, it is obvious to me that the stang I raced had a lot more in mods than just headers. From what I can gather, the 350z has about 280 HP/260 TQ at the crank and weighs around 3100 lbs. I was pulling about a car length on the z in every gear without having to bang through the gears. And yes, he was WOT and was quick shifting.
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yeah...
Originally posted by cls6sp03
After racing a 350z 6MT this weekend and easily beating it by 4 cars up to 110 MPH without the need to quick shift, it is obvious to me that the stang I raced had a lot more in mods than just headers. From what I can gather, the 350z has about 280 HP/260 TQ at the crank and weighs around 3100 lbs. I was pulling about a car length on the z in every gear without having to bang through the gears. And yes, he was WOT and was quick shifting.
After racing a 350z 6MT this weekend and easily beating it by 4 cars up to 110 MPH without the need to quick shift, it is obvious to me that the stang I raced had a lot more in mods than just headers. From what I can gather, the 350z has about 280 HP/260 TQ at the crank and weighs around 3100 lbs. I was pulling about a car length on the z in every gear without having to bang through the gears. And yes, he was WOT and was quick shifting.
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TQ > MPG
I beat & tied a bone stock 96-98 GT at the track last week with my gf's Maxima. Her's is a bone stock 2003 Auto. She ran a bunch of 14.9's and his best was a 14.8@92ish mph. They are pretty slow stock, and even with the common bolt-ons they are not fast. Even a PI-headed 96-98 GT will not be crazy fast unless it has some crazy cams and/or forced induction. I'd bet that with 4.10's and a H/C/I package that it would pull at most mid 13's on drag radials. The PI heads are a definite improvement over stock, but they are only 99+ GT heads, so its not like they make it a monster. Alot of the power comes from a signficant compression ratio jump, 9:1 -> 10.5:1.
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yeah...
normally this would be true, but the higher compression makes a big different, cuz the heads are same, ('99+) but the profile is diff. Check it out...
Froom Stangnet:
'96 GT with PI heads (259 RWHP, 304 RWTQ)
Mods:
Headswapped, Superchip, Bassani catted X, Magnaflow mufflers, Bullitt 13" brake kit, MAC pullies, Spec stage 1 clutch, K&N, stock CAI (trimmed silencer), subframe connectors, Eibach Pro-Kit, Tokico Illuminas, Energy Suspension, Redline fluids, tuned by Streetflight in Mesa, AZ
So he's tuned and has exhaust and intake but pulls 259 rwhp and 304 torque... not bad. With gears, he'd definitely give a blown CL a good run...
Froom Stangnet:
'96 GT with PI heads (259 RWHP, 304 RWTQ)
Mods:
Headswapped, Superchip, Bassani catted X, Magnaflow mufflers, Bullitt 13" brake kit, MAC pullies, Spec stage 1 clutch, K&N, stock CAI (trimmed silencer), subframe connectors, Eibach Pro-Kit, Tokico Illuminas, Energy Suspension, Redline fluids, tuned by Streetflight in Mesa, AZ
So he's tuned and has exhaust and intake but pulls 259 rwhp and 304 torque... not bad. With gears, he'd definitely give a blown CL a good run...
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