CL Type-s vs. 330Ci in July Car&Driver
05-30-2002, 03:36 PM
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CL Type-s vs. 330Ci in July Car&Driver
For thoose who have not seen it, the acura gets a great write up, but C&D picks the 330 Ci the winner despite the $7000 price difference. C&D claims 0-60 for the CL-S is 5.9 and the BMW is 5.8. The CL-S was quicker to 100 and 120 however. Overall good article, It would be very hard to choose a clear winner. The car tested was with the 6 speed manual.
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Originally posted by juniorbean
C&D always picks the BMW as the winner, regardless of what it's going up against. They always find a reason to declare it #1
C&D always picks the BMW as the winner, regardless of what it's going up against. They always find a reason to declare it #1
05-30-2002, 03:54 PM
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Great... I can't wait until my 330Ci buddy gets a hold of a copy and let's me hear about it.
Great... I can't wait until my 330Ci buddy gets a hold of a copy and let's me hear about it.
or me!!
damn those are fast times, 5.8 and 5.9.... is this the 6-speed CLS and manual 330ci?
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Once again they make the price difference between the CL and the BMW look small by comparing base prices.
It seems as though everyone but them knows that a comparably equipped 330 runs about 45K which is 15 thousand dollars more than a CL!
Let's see them justify that!
It seems as though everyone but them knows that a comparably equipped 330 runs about 45K which is 15 thousand dollars more than a CL!
Let's see them justify that!
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05-30-2002, 04:04 PM
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Originally posted by JZ
Once again they make the price difference between the CL and the BMW look small by comparing base prices.
It seems as though everyone but them knows that a comparably equipped 330 runs about 45K which is 15 thousand dollars more than a CL!
Let's see them justify that!
Once again they make the price difference between the CL and the BMW look small by comparing base prices.
It seems as though everyone but them knows that a comparably equipped 330 runs about 45K which is 15 thousand dollars more than a CL!
Let's see them justify that!
05-30-2002, 04:25 PM
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Originally posted by sidemarker
5.8 and 5.9 second 0-60
that is full of shit
our cars are quick but not sub 6.0 seconds quick
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5.8 and 5.9 second 0-60
that is full of shit
our cars are quick but not sub 6.0 seconds quick
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05-30-2002, 04:28 PM
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The 100-120mph numbers don't surpise me I knew the 6sp CL-S was a topend monster. The CL-S would do better 0-60 numbers also if not for the shitty stock rubber. These cars are not even in the same class....one is $40,000 the other $30,000. Everyone is right about the BMW though...what comparison hasn't it won?
Everyone is right about the BMW though...what comparison hasn't it won?
05-30-2002, 04:31 PM
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Those are for a 6spd.....and BMW 3-series will always win....they can't lose...it's in the Constitution or something.
they did test a stock 6-speed?
6.1 at best
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05-30-2002, 04:38 PM
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Originally posted by Crazy Sellout
its more like a 10k difference.. but yea i agree with you.
its more like a 10k difference.. but yea i agree with you.
Bottom line is it was going to cost me a minimum $12k more out the door (it's easier to get a discount on a CL than a ci) and a long wait to get a manual 330ci. It's a great car, but at about 38% higher cost than my CL-S 6MT, it just wasn't *that* great.
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Gosh guys come on!
First u bitch about our cars not being compared enough in car mags. When they finally do, YOU KEEP ON BITCHING! You are like some old ladies complaining about new mailboxes in your apartment building! Now, no offense, but u guys are biased so of course you are going to defend your trusty FWD CL. You haven't even read the article and u are bitching! Oh boy, I can feel the flaming now...
P.S. Black CL-S 4-Life: There have been many times when Bmw lost a comparo. The most recent example is C&D's October 2001 issue with an AWD spot sedan comparo. 3rd place: 330xi, 2nd place: WRX, 1st: S4
First u bitch about our cars not being compared enough in car mags. When they finally do, YOU KEEP ON BITCHING! You are like some old ladies complaining about new mailboxes in your apartment building! Now, no offense, but u guys are biased so of course you are going to defend your trusty FWD CL. You haven't even read the article and u are bitching! Oh boy, I can feel the flaming now...
P.S. Black CL-S 4-Life: There have been many times when Bmw lost a comparo. The most recent example is C&D's October 2001 issue with an AWD spot sedan comparo. 3rd place: 330xi, 2nd place: WRX, 1st: S4
05-30-2002, 04:49 PM
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Originally posted by Acura3.0CLP
P.S. Black CL-S 4-Life: There have been many times when Bmw lost a comparo. The most recent example is C&D's October 2001 issue with an AWD spot sedan comparo. 3rd place: 330xi, 2nd place: WRX, 1st: S4
P.S. Black CL-S 4-Life: There have been many times when Bmw lost a comparo. The most recent example is C&D's October 2001 issue with an AWD spot sedan comparo. 3rd place: 330xi, 2nd place: WRX, 1st: S4
05-30-2002, 05:08 PM
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yap yap yap, blah blah blah......
Yo homies, quit your whining cause every single one of you will take a 330 over a cls if you would be able to afford it or justify spending more on it.
And thank you Acura3.0CLP for pointing out when a BMW actually lost and its exactly right, the 4X4 comparo, 330xi had a poor showing and got blown away by WRX and the S4.
Also, as far as price goes, the CL 6spd is not being discounted that much right now, but it likely could be had for about 31 out the door where as the 330 fully loaded will cost about 41 out the door with some negotiation. But you will get what you paid for, in the case of the the CLS, a poorly built beefed up accord, and in the case of the 330 a true sports coupe built with great care and qaulity.
Yo homies, quit your whining cause every single one of you will take a 330 over a cls if you would be able to afford it or justify spending more on it.
And thank you Acura3.0CLP for pointing out when a BMW actually lost and its exactly right, the 4X4 comparo, 330xi had a poor showing and got blown away by WRX and the S4.
Also, as far as price goes, the CL 6spd is not being discounted that much right now, but it likely could be had for about 31 out the door where as the 330 fully loaded will cost about 41 out the door with some negotiation. But you will get what you paid for, in the case of the the CLS, a poorly built beefed up accord, and in the case of the 330 a true sports coupe built with great care and qaulity.
05-30-2002, 05:17 PM
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The 330CI is a very nice car but IMO very overrated and definately not worth $45,000. Every BMW dealer I have ever visited has them for around $45,000, with all of the options. true, you can order them without all of the options, but a luxury car is supposed to come with much more standard equipment than what BMW offers. IMO the only BMW's with a justifiable price are the M3/M5.
05-30-2002, 05:39 PM
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Originally posted by Acura3.0CLP
P.S. Black CL-S 4-Life: There have been many times when Bmw lost a comparo. The most recent example is C&D's October 2001 issue with an AWD spot sedan comparo. 3rd place: 330xi, 2nd place: WRX, 1st: S4
P.S. Black CL-S 4-Life: There have been many times when Bmw lost a comparo. The most recent example is C&D's October 2001 issue with an AWD spot sedan comparo. 3rd place: 330xi, 2nd place: WRX, 1st: S4
The 325ix wagon finished behind an A4 Avant 1.8T quattro in a recent comparo.
When the current 325 came out, came in second in a sports sedan comparo. The A4 was first again. (February 1998)
A 525iT came in last, behind the Audi A6 Avant and the first place Volvo 850. March (or is it April?) 1995 issue.
A 740i finished behind a Benz E420 and Lexus LS400 in February 1995.
The 528i finished second (A6 2.7T was first), just before the 528 became the 530.
Yeah, I'm bored...:P
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Originally posted by vince
Just to add to that list:
The 325ix wagon finished behind an A4 Avant 1.8T quattro in a recent comparo.
When the current 325 came out, came in second in a sports sedan comparo. The A4 was first again. (February 1998)
A 525iT came in last, behind the Audi A6 Avant and the first place Volvo 850. March (or is it April?) 1995 issue.
A 740i finished behind a Benz E420 and Lexus LS400 in February 1995.
The 528i finished second (A6 2.7T was first), just before the 528 became the 530.
Yeah, I'm bored...:P
Just to add to that list:
The 325ix wagon finished behind an A4 Avant 1.8T quattro in a recent comparo.
When the current 325 came out, came in second in a sports sedan comparo. The A4 was first again. (February 1998)
A 525iT came in last, behind the Audi A6 Avant and the first place Volvo 850. March (or is it April?) 1995 issue.
A 740i finished behind a Benz E420 and Lexus LS400 in February 1995.
The 528i finished second (A6 2.7T was first), just before the 528 became the 530.
Yeah, I'm bored...:P
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Originally posted by 4thGSi
Well majority that tops out the Bimmer are Euro cars to. You rarerly see a Japanese cars out perform the Euro cars in there mags. Well the WRX won but you only see that one's in a blue moon lol!!
Well majority that tops out the Bimmer are Euro cars to. You rarerly see a Japanese cars out perform the Euro cars in there mags. Well the WRX won but you only see that one's in a blue moon lol!!
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Originally posted by BigPimp
yap yap yap, blah blah blah......
Yo homies, quit your whining cause every single one of you will take a 330 over a cls if you would be able to afford it or justify spending more on it.
And thank you Acura3.0CLP for pointing out when a BMW actually lost and its exactly right, the 4X4 comparo, 330xi had a poor showing and got blown away by WRX and the S4.
Also, as far as price goes, the CL 6spd is not being discounted that much right now, but it likely could be had for about 31 out the door where as the 330 fully loaded will cost about 41 out the door with some negotiation. But you will get what you paid for, in the case of the the CLS, a poorly built beefed up accord, and in the case of the 330 a true sports coupe built with great care and qaulity.
yap yap yap, blah blah blah......
Yo homies, quit your whining cause every single one of you will take a 330 over a cls if you would be able to afford it or justify spending more on it.
And thank you Acura3.0CLP for pointing out when a BMW actually lost and its exactly right, the 4X4 comparo, 330xi had a poor showing and got blown away by WRX and the S4.
Also, as far as price goes, the CL 6spd is not being discounted that much right now, but it likely could be had for about 31 out the door where as the 330 fully loaded will cost about 41 out the door with some negotiation. But you will get what you paid for, in the case of the the CLS, a poorly built beefed up accord, and in the case of the 330 a true sports coupe built with great care and qaulity.
I remember when the CL-S lost to the FUCKING 328....beat it out in every category....but they still declared the BMW the car they would rather have...whatever.....
EVERYONE KNOWS THAT BMWS ARE GREAT FUCKING CARS!!!FINE!! I THINK THEY ARE NICE LOOKING, BUT A 80S LOOKING DASH...PLEASE.. ARE THEY THE BEST, IF YOU ASK CAR MAGS THEY ARE AND THERE IS VALIDITY TO IT. ARE THEY OVERRATED AND OVERPRICED, YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THE LEVEL OF COMPETITION NOW....AND ADMIT THAT YES THEY ARE.
05-30-2002, 06:42 PM
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C&D always picks the BMW as the winner, regardless of what it's going up against. They always find a reason to declare it #1
C&D always picks the BMW as the winner, regardless of what it's going up against. They always find a reason to declare it #1
Yeah, I guess it's all a cospiracy theory then, huh? I guess BMW must be slipping some $$$$ under the table to C&D, huh?
You guys crack me up. Why can't you give credit where it is due?
By the way, BMW doesn't win every comparison test.
05-30-2002, 06:49 PM
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Originally posted by BigPimp
yap yap yap, blah blah blah......
Yo homies, quit your whining cause every single one of you will take a 330 over a cls if you would be able to afford it or justify spending more on it.
And thank you Acura3.0CLP for pointing out when a BMW actually lost and its exactly right, the 4X4 comparo, 330xi had a poor showing and got blown away by WRX and the S4.
Also, as far as price goes, the CL 6spd is not being discounted that much right now, but it likely could be had for about 31 out the door where as the 330 fully loaded will cost about 41 out the door with some negotiation. But you will get what you paid for, in the case of the the CLS, a poorly built beefed up accord, and in the case of the 330 a true sports coupe built with great care and qaulity.
yap yap yap, blah blah blah......
Yo homies, quit your whining cause every single one of you will take a 330 over a cls if you would be able to afford it or justify spending more on it.
And thank you Acura3.0CLP for pointing out when a BMW actually lost and its exactly right, the 4X4 comparo, 330xi had a poor showing and got blown away by WRX and the S4.
Also, as far as price goes, the CL 6spd is not being discounted that much right now, but it likely could be had for about 31 out the door where as the 330 fully loaded will cost about 41 out the door with some negotiation. But you will get what you paid for, in the case of the the CLS, a poorly built beefed up accord, and in the case of the 330 a true sports coupe built with great care and qaulity.
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Yo homies, quit your whining cause every single one of you will take a 330 over a cls if you would be able to afford it or justify spending more on it.
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Originally posted by moomaster_99
The only reason why the WRX beat it out...was the sheer price difference on that one...no way they could justify that the Xi was better...
The only reason why the WRX beat it out...was the sheer price difference on that one...no way they could justify that the Xi was better...
05-30-2002, 07:24 PM
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Originally posted by moomaster_99
I remember when the CL-S lost to the FUCKING 328....beat it out in every category....but they still declared the BMW the car they would rather have...whatever.....
I remember when the CL-S lost to the FUCKING 328....beat it out in every category....but they still declared the BMW the car they would rather have...whatever.....
The CL was the pick
05-30-2002, 07:32 PM
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Yeah BMW 3-series almost never lose in those car magazines' eyes. They are trying to set an unbeatable image for 3-series as far as performance and handling so all of the other car companies are just competing for the second place. If these magazine would give any other company the first place over BMW, it's only because of the price difference.
05-30-2002, 07:55 PM
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Whatever.....so the why dont you get off the BMW nutsack and actually buy one? Since the CL is a poorly built beefed up accord...
I remember when the CL-S lost to the FUCKING 328....beat it out in every category....but they still declared the BMW the car they would rather have...whatever.....
EVERYONE KNOWS THAT BMWS ARE GREAT FUCKING CARS!!!FINE!! I THINK THEY ARE NICE LOOKING, BUT A 80S LOOKING DASH...PLEASE.. ARE THEY THE BEST, IF YOU ASK CAR MAGS THEY ARE AND THERE IS VALIDITY TO IT. ARE THEY OVERRATED AND OVERPRICED, YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THE LEVEL OF COMPETITION NOW....AND ADMIT THAT YES THEY ARE.
Whatever.....so the why dont you get off the BMW nutsack and actually buy one? Since the CL is a poorly built beefed up accord...
I remember when the CL-S lost to the FUCKING 328....beat it out in every category....but they still declared the BMW the car they would rather have...whatever.....
EVERYONE KNOWS THAT BMWS ARE GREAT FUCKING CARS!!!FINE!! I THINK THEY ARE NICE LOOKING, BUT A 80S LOOKING DASH...PLEASE.. ARE THEY THE BEST, IF YOU ASK CAR MAGS THEY ARE AND THERE IS VALIDITY TO IT. ARE THEY OVERRATED AND OVERPRICED, YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THE LEVEL OF COMPETITION NOW....AND ADMIT THAT YES THEY ARE.
agreed.
05-30-2002, 08:09 PM
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Where do you guys get a 45k price tag for the 330ci? I just ordered mine for 41k... with EVERYTHING. Including Navi. My TLS with navi was $31,500 when i bought it new. Of course both of those prices arent MSRP. Im just saying you can work with the pricing on the BMWs.
I hear bashing on the BMW, but what is it that you dont like about it? I mean it has the power like the CLS, but it has better handling than the CLS. So for 10k more than the CLS you get better handling and RWD. Is it worth it? Depends on what you are looking for. As for me it is, i like the handling aspect of the BMW, its fun for me.
Oh for those who say why dont someone just get an M3 fo that price... well a loaded 330ci is around 42k... and a base M3 is near 50k. So its not a cheap upgrade.
So all you guys can say the CLS is a better car than the 330ci? Aside from value, how is the CLS better? If everything had to do with value, then we all be in a WRX.
Thats all. I still love ya guys.
-Sellout.
I hear bashing on the BMW, but what is it that you dont like about it? I mean it has the power like the CLS, but it has better handling than the CLS. So for 10k more than the CLS you get better handling and RWD. Is it worth it? Depends on what you are looking for. As for me it is, i like the handling aspect of the BMW, its fun for me.
Oh for those who say why dont someone just get an M3 fo that price... well a loaded 330ci is around 42k... and a base M3 is near 50k. So its not a cheap upgrade.
So all you guys can say the CLS is a better car than the 330ci? Aside from value, how is the CLS better? If everything had to do with value, then we all be in a WRX.
Thats all.
I still love ya guys. -Sellout.
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Crazy Sellout:
I have to agree. I just took delivery on my 330Ci and it was $38,500 + tax out the door. It included all the options except the navi and auto.
moomaster_99:
Here is a look at my 80's dash...
I have to agree. I just took delivery on my 330Ci and it was $38,500 + tax out the door. It included all the options except the navi and auto.
moomaster_99:
Here is a look at my 80's dash...
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So all you guys can say the CLS is a better car than the 330ci? Aside from value, how is the CLS better? If everything had to do with value, then we all be in a WRX.
The 330 and CLS are very comparable in luxury as well as other aspects. The WRX is no comparison in that respect. I think the WRX competes more with the Mustang, Camaro. Speed, less emphesis on luxury, etc... The CLS and 3 Series are sport-luxury auto's
So basically you are paying over 7k more for a car that handles marginally better. (which can be helped by upgrading our tires, springs, sways)
I have no intention of getting a 3 series unless it is an M3. BMW's are like Camry's on the road today. So many of them...
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Why is it that nobody remembers the Audi S4 beating out the BMW M3 in a C&D comparison test?
I think a lot of people forget that yeah your car A can beat car B but you'd rather be seen in car B and talk about car B than A. That is why car B cost some more and people will pay for it.
Prestige (or perception of it). Not something written on the sticker price but to some people it is worth the extra dough.
05-30-2002, 08:30 PM
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Originally posted by JerryL
Crazy Sellout:
I have to agree. I just took delivery on my 330Ci and it was $38,500 + tax out the door. It included all the options except the navi and auto.
moomaster_99:
Here is a look at my 80's dash...
Crazy Sellout:
I have to agree. I just took delivery on my 330Ci and it was $38,500 + tax out the door. It included all the options except the navi and auto.
moomaster_99:
Here is a look at my 80's dash...
lookin good man!! Did you have a CLS before your 330ci?
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Originally posted by tktommy
Isn't that the gospel truth!:thumbsdn: I could have told you the winner before I even read the article. This why I always take C&D with a grain of salt.
Isn't that the gospel truth!:thumbsdn: I could have told you the winner before I even read the article. This why I always take C&D with a grain of salt.