I noticed a vibration from the stick shift when i downshifted for about a day or two... then today from a complete stop went into 1st , acclerated , tires hopped, and then this sound... car didnt go into gear anymore, this grinding sound from the engine bay... and i towed the car on a flatbed to Acura.They gave me this 02 RSX_P. There was also tranni fluid leaking....

what happened....

 

I saw a thread just like this not too long ago....

 

which dealer did you have it towed too?

 

Tustin Acura

 

Do you have the Comptech clutch/flywheel??

 

never heard anything like this before

 

Don't think it was tranny fluid you saw. The fluid is only in the tranny not anywhere else, so unless you blow a hole in the tranny case you wouldn't see tranny fluid. Check your VIN in the stick for the recall. You might have been effected & that caused your problom.

 

I am pretty sure it was tranni fluid, because when i was waiting for the flatbed to arrive, me & my friend went under the car & there was black liquid dripping slowly dropbydrop from the bottom of the tranni...
How do you check the vin # for recalls...
Are we eligible for the 100k trani warrenty...
Is there a law that protects us, if the same problem occurs numerious times...
Thanks in advance...

 

I only have 19 inch BR5 chrome rims & a killa JL W7 system with DVD/TV/PS2 etc..
no engine mods...
however looking into the CT headers,ice box,sways,exhaust,b-pipe etc..
after all this tranni failure... i dont even want to get the CT SC anymore. Scared to blow the car up:o

 

How many miles on tranny? And how hard to you drive the car?

 

Remember that the oil-pan is also under the car... and oil leaking there could appear to be from the tranny. Tranny oil will only leak from the axle-seals, tranny drain bolt and/or hole in the tranny!

 

You dont need to worry about the future mods. Your case is odd, and might be a deffect in the tranny. Unless you used to switch gears with no clutch engaged

 

maybe all your hard launches grenaded the LSD and that's what was leaking under the car and grinding when it was running?

also, the only trans warranty is on the automatic.

 

Manual transmission oil is usually not black at all. Just a golden brown oil color. Sounds like you may have a problem with the clutch hydraulic system. This fluid shouldn't be black either though. Let us know what it turns out to be.

 

Man... just look UNDER the car

 

the car has only 14k on it.. to be honest iam not sure exacly what kind of liquid was leakin but know it was black or really dark oil, and it looked like it was coming from the end of the tranni, we shall find out tomorrow when the tech checks it out.
I usaully drive my car hard ( use all rpms ) even in 1st, however have only mis-shifted once or twice when i got the car, back last year ( NOV 18 2002)...
iam surprised how this could have happened and luckly i was near my house
and i never change gears w/o the clutch...
Do i have the right to ask for a new tranni, or will they just fix it & give it back...

Thanx in advance...

 

M/T is considered a wearable part. Wait for the dealer response. If you are lucky it was just a defect.

 

the MT being a wearable item & it may not covered by the warrenty! is that true...

 

wow... I've rarely ever heard of any manual transmissions going bad b/c of manufacturer's defect... I wonder what caused this...

 

You've never heard of a Tranni?

 

Sounds like my car, the fluid you are seeing is probably the hydraulic fluid. The clutch is a wearble item and honda wont cover it, expect to pay out the butt if this is the case.

 

The dealer called me today & stated that since i upgraded my wheels to 19 inch , it could have caused the damage done to the tranny. They have not even opened the tranny to see what the problem is! They want me to pay $680.00 just to open the tranny & see what the problem is. They said it might cost up to 5 g's.
A new CLS 6MT should not even break down at 14,800 miles. Its still brand new, and a minor increase in wheel size doesnt make a considerable amount of pressure on the tranny to make in fail in a premature way. Many people have larger wheels on their car, & ive never heard of this bs before...

What do you guys recommened i do! there has be a law that makes them have to prove that an increase in 2inchs of wheel size will cause tranny failure.

Makes no sense, its a whole bunch of bs, they are just trying to take my money$$$ & think i'll stand bitch to this shit. I'am do everything in my power & even be forced to take them to court.

Is there a law that protects me??

 

Tell them to put in writing that the wheels caused the transmission to break, or whatever problem it has. Alot of times they will back down after you demand this because they know it's illegal to do. By law they have to prove that the modification that you did caused the part to break. Now, if you clutch is toasted I would say you're probably out of luck. There really isnt any warranty on the clutch, outside of something breaking in the 1st 12k miles that is obviously a defect in the clutch. If they try to say you need to pay upfront to drop the tranny because of your wheels and wont back down, I would contact an attorney, or another dealership. I'm sure it would cost less than $680 to get a lawyer contact the dealership and work things out.

Goos luck.

 

Yes there is. I can't remember exactly what it is called but this will probably lead you to it. http://www.geocities.com/gamesmgr/chod/acura/#Mods1

 

even 6 speeds

 

Still don't think it's the tranny. Clutch maybe. You had fluid leakage also, so something failed that holds the clutch fluid. If you can, check the fluid reserve in the engine bay & see if it's dry. Wheels & your transmission have nothing to do with each other. They can not say that BS. In most cases they should have to contact the regional rep & have them come & look at it.

 

Acura denied all warrenty, they are asking for 1200 just to inspect... they just dont wanna listen... Any ideas??

 

THAT SUCKS!
Call Customer service. It's the 800 # in the owners manual.
Try a different dealer

 

This sounds very familiar....call customer service, but dont expect them to front the bill, they will cover the expense to open it up and give you a rental.

 

no rental, no customer service, no warrenty, just a mouthful of shit from Honda Motor Co... they are bsing all the time trying to void the warrenty

 

Tell your dealer to suck it both ways. 19" wheels can't void your warrenty and you don't have to pay any money until they can prove without a doubt that it wasn't caused by a factory defect.


Aftermarket Parts Vs. OEM Warranties

Which modifications void factory warranties?


By: Tom Morr /autoMedia.com


Capitalism is rooted in making a buck. Philosophically, the less one pays, the more one keeps. Trying to get a company to part with its money can be frustrating, even if you've parted with yours based on their warranty.

Claim Denial
The aftermarket part must be part of the reason for the otherwise-warranted failure.
Claims processors know that a certain percentage of consumers will never pursue a denied claim. This numbers game often leads to erroneous "mistakes" for valid claims. The onus then falls to the consumer to fight for what might rightly be theirs in the first place.

Aftermarket parts are one reason for carmakers to deny a warranty claim. Any non-factory components that's anywhere near a failed original-equipment part can be fingered as a reason for claim denial. If this happens to you, begin by reviewing the written warranty and asking for clarifications of any legalese you don't understand. Federal law protects consumers against unjust warranty denials. The mere presence of an aftermarket part isn't a lawful reason for denial—the aftermarket part must be part of the reason for the otherwise-warranted failure.

A knowledgeable third party can help refute a dealer's assertion that the aftermarket part played a part in the original part's failure. Contact the manufacturer of the aftermarket part to see if they're aware of similar situations and, if so, what happened in those cases. The company might point out fine print on their products' literature that addresses OE warranties. The aftermarket manufacturer might also be able to supply a technical assessment of the problem to support your case.

Researching the problem can reveal if it's prevalent in the vehicle. Dealerships aren't always forthcoming about pattern-failure malfunctions. Manufacturers publish Technical Service Bulletins (TSBs) for dealerships, detailing remedies for recurring problems. For significant defects, the government will mandate a recall, which requires the carmaker to notify customers of the defect and explain the procedure for getting the problem fixed. Recall and TSB information is listed at the web sites below. Also, the EPA gets involved in emissions-systems matters while the NHTSA addresses safety issues.

Basically, the more documentation you can compile to support your argument, the better chance you have of ultimately prevailing. Helpful items include photos of the damaged parts, vehicle-maintenance and repair records, pattern-failure info mentioned above and a written opinion on the possible causes of the problem from a qualified expert. Of course, you should also save all correspondence with the dealer, especially their written explanation of why the original claim was denied.

Often, a persuasive dossier of documents supporting your stance will convince the dealer's service manager to either take care of the problem or suggest a compromise. Failing satisfaction at the level, approach the owner of the dealership. The owner might present your evidence to the manufacturer and persuade the carmaker to reimburse the dealer for the repairs as warranty coverage. You might actually be doing both a favor in the long run.

The next step toward satisfaction is to contact the manufacturer's zone representative. The vehicle's owner's manual should have a customer-service number that can refer you to this person. Present all of your evidence to the zone rep, who's probably aware of certain dealerships' histories concerning customers' complaints. If this still doesn't produce satisfactory results, contact the manufacturer directly. (See contact information in the "Resolving Warranty Disputes" article.) If the manufacturer won't take care of the problem, be sure to save all correspondence, especially the refusal letter that explains their assessment of how the aftermarket part caused the problem.

Mediation, Arbitration, Litigation
A final resort is to involve other agencies in the matter. These include the Better Business Bureau and your state's Attorney General's and Consumer Protection offices. A mediator from The Better Business Bureau or Automotive Consumer Action Program (AUTOCAP) might be able to arbitrate the dispute and suggest an impartial solution based on the evidence. This is less costly and more efficient than filing a lawsuit.

Speaking of which, litigation is your final resort when all other avenues have failed. Claims of about $5,000 or less (depending on state law) can be tried relatively quickly and inexpensively in small-claims court. Larger claims will typically involve attorneys and months (if not years) to try in the state's superior court system.

Fortunately, most repair disputes never progress through the entire food chain. After all, automakers crave repeat customers, and most dealers would rather compromise and have you return for service than drive away their business.

Resources
AllData, www.alldata.com

Alliance of Automobile Manufacturers, www.autoalliance.org

American Automobile Manufacturers Association, (313) 872-4311

Automotive Consumer Action Program (AUTOCAP), (800) 252-6232

Better Business Bureau, www.bbb.org

Environmental Protection Agency, www.epa.gov, (202) 233-9040

Federal Trade Commission (FTC), www.ftc.gov/ftc/consumer.htm, (202) 326-3128

Japanese Automobile Manufacturers Association, www.japanauto.com, (202) 296-8537

NHTSA, www.nhtsa.gov, (800) 424-9393

Specialty Equipment Market Association (SEMA), www.sema.org

 

thanx for the info spdy0001, very helpful...
I guess my only step now is to involve the "other agencies" into this matter or pay almost 9gs out of pocket, for something that has warrenty

From now on : everyone be aware of dealers... they are corporate criminals. They will do anything to f**k you over