http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...ge/gm_recall_1


GM recalls cars for a potential PINCHING problem, and Honda can't recall a car for something much more serious?

Granted a transmission costs far more than this, but come on...

 

thats sad that gm does a recall for finger pinching but honda wont do one for something as dangerous as a transmission going out ( until there’s a fatality). I know its cheaper than a tranny but its sad honda doesnt care about its customers.

 

GOD GM MAKES THE WORST CARS EVER. HOW COULD A CAR BE RELEASED WITH A PINCHING PROBLEM!!!! I hope to God that Ralph Nader does somthing about this atrocisty fast! Domestics suck!

 

360 and Scrib, you both don't even know what a recall is how can you make such a ludicrous statement. Why do you even use that word, recall, a word you know nothing about.

Scrib you talk as though the car company will hand out or don't hand out recalls at their discretion, when they get ready. You are wrong.

360, you speak as though the Company will recall if they care or not recall if they don't care. You are more wrong than scrib.

Why don't you guys do a little bit of research on recalls, educate yourself, before you make, and I'm sorry, I don't mean to flame, but before you make stupid statements.

I deleted and rewrote the rest of this post because I was going too far. I'll just leave it at that. :angry:

And how about doing your own personal recall and selling your car "before" you get injured. What's stopping your from recalling the car yourself? Isn't a $5,000 loss having to trade in your car and get a safer one, more valuable than your life? What's stopping you if you really believe this bullshit that you are dispensing?" Because honestly if you thought that car was unsafe, you wouldn't be riding in it, not even an extra day. When people thought those Firestone tires were unsafe, the smart ones took theirs off before a recall, they didn't wait around. They just sued for their losses later, but you know what? They're alive....

Are you waiting on a recall to bail you out of car? Or are you going to take proactive steps and save your own life and not wait around for the foolish and the uncaring to save your own life for you.

That's what I thought....you don't believe it either. Sorry if I was too harsh.

 

ken that made no sense

 

Ok, you misunderstand what the "recall" means.

A recall is ussued when the manufacturer believes the cost of the repairs is less than the lawsuits that will occur if the problem isn't fixed.

A voluntary recall is when a manufacturer suggests you return to have work done since they *think* there could be a lawsuit.

Realistically, you're probably in no real danger if the tranny packs up. Most fail in a non-dangerous mode.

Sure, it pisses you off, but like I said, if Honda thought that multiple lawsuits could arise, it would have been recalled before.

Consider the cost! What's the 5 speed worth? $1000, $1500 US? If there are a million vehicles out there with that tranny, then that's $1-1.5 BILLION DOLLARS to replace them all! Shit like that could bankrupt a manufacturer!

It's all in the dollars man. When it comes to the bottom line, business is business, and it doesn't matter who the manufacturer is.....

 

I thought you were just joking in your post. Apparently not.

This is pathetic. Of course it doesn't make any sense to you...of course it doesn't. I guess I don't expect you to understand.

 

I don't even know what to think about it. Oh I know...I'm getting out of this thread, I guess I took the bait. Bye bye.

 

That's pretty funny coming from the guy who posted the least-comprehensible post in this thread two posts prior.

 

Ken settle down

you act like we are attacking you. Why were you the dumass bean counter that screwed up the design on tranny to save a few bucks. The real question is do you know what a recall is and maybe you should do some research? that’s ok I’ll do if for you "verb, to bring back ; or noun the particular act of recalling " all it means that the company is asking for you to bring the car back, for a particular reason either mandatory or voluntary.

as far as firestone they had a few accident at first and the reason it got worse is because ford had people under inflate their tires causing them to overheat prematurely, because of there own design flaws of the SUVs being easy to roll.( do the research it wasn't all Firestone's fault ford had a big part in it too. that’s why you heard mostly about fords causing deaths

As for me doing my own recall, and just selling my car well then that’s just passing the problem to someone else and not solving it now isn't it? its not like a tire where they are not going to be used again. Unlike some people i deal with problems and not run a way.
if they would let me do an even trade for my car for a 6 speed I would do it in a heart beat. I would rather be the one behind the wheel if something like that were to happen. ( why you ask I’ve had some driving course and went through a police driving training) so its nothing like the firestone recall.

All I'm really saying is that Honda needs to take responsibility for there mistake and not blame it on the consumer, like they have been doing to the people on the board
wires is right this is not a mandatory recall but a voluntary. either way it is acknowledge there’s a problem. but the cost of the tranny for us $1000-$1500 it cost honda my be a 1/8of that, if that. yes it still does cost a lot of $ for the million cars out there, but a voluntary recall would have been nice, and the damn dealers stop trying to blame the owners.

I havnt had a problem as of yet and i hope i don't. at least they did the 100,000 mi but only because of all the noise from the people on the site and the press" who i applaud"

I hope i wasnt too condescending or harsh

 

OK, so I got a bit twisted around with the term "recall". Want to continue to flame away on an honest mistake?

 

Ok, I will calm down. I know you are not attacking me. It's just that again people are trying to place the blame on Honda when they see GM do something, how is that? If GM gives all their car owners $100 each does that make Honda stingy? They are emotional and I have the feeling they want things to happen for personal gain rather than for the good of the Company and the public at large.

Since this is a voluntary effort on Honda's part, why would you expect to see it in the newspapers? What is the fixation on having this done in writing and being made available to everyone as long as YOU are being taken care of? Will you not be satisfied until CNN puts out a special news alert and the story is printed in the NY Times with the CEO giving a public apology? Will you not be satisfied until the US Government steps in an forces Honda to recall (because apparently they haven't yet)?

As for Honda screwing people on this board, you have never heard Honda's side of the story and you have only heard the member's side of the story and most of them told you want the dealership said to them what they were told by Honda. Now that's hardly Honda screwing the customer.

You get an extended warranty...you don't get a recall (yet). Why are you still mad? As far as the recall thing goes, yes you might be right, you might deserve a recall for this. My guess is it is not widespread enough or chronic enough or somehow doesn't meet one of the qualification of a recall. If you think it does, then you need to talk to the NHTSA and leave Honda alone because they are taking their own steps.

If I were Honda, I might take the US Gvt recall route because I believe it might limit your liability (in terms of disclosure) or culpability. It might give you a chance to go on record with regard to the extent of how big or how serious this really is. A recall gives you a chance to write off some of the repairs and losses to another part of the books with regard to taxes...maybe....instead of "free repairs". Maybe Honda knows this and tried to go to the Gvt to get a recall and were declined because they didn't have enough proof. How do you know?

Honestly you know that if a repair like a pinched seat costs the dealership $1 to do, wouldn't that be nice if you could get all those GM owners back into the shop right in front of your business for a fix that costs you next to nothing but a fix that you know everybody is going to come running back into your dealership for just because they got a recall notice in the mail. Think of the possibilities....you don't look bad with a recall for a pinched seat. I think GM hoodwinked the Gvt on that bogus recall.

360, I think you are using the literal definition of the word recall. In the auto industry it means something different. I'll provide this link:

http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/hotline/recallprocess.html

Honestly I don't think costs to the manufacturer are involved in the decision to issue a recall. It will be issued on it's own merits regardless of the costs. If it costs alot, I am sure the manufacturer will not want it...but guess what it will happen anyway if it is deserved. I was once part of a small recall effort...the costs were never discussed.

 

Those who've been prescribed mood stabilizing medication; please take them now. = )

Wow!