Anyone ever thought of Custom Individual Throttle Bodies?
11-09-2006, 07:55 PM
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Anyone ever thought of Custom Individual Throttle Bodies?
Browsing through my latest issue of Honda Tunning I saw an article on throttle bodies.....
I've often pondered the fact of having individual throttle bodies custom made for my cl-s though it would cost an arm and a leg to do, I believe the gains on the j32a2 would be pretty fuckin impressive!!!!! I figure If im gonna spend around $4k for a s/c then I want to see what else is out there for similar or even greater gains. Turbo is almost out of the ? for me.
I did several goggle searches and pulled nothing of the sort on our motor, with that being said have any of you guys considered/looked into this? And what would the cost/gains be?
Check this site I think Im gonna give them a call and see what they say:
http://haywardperformance.com/
Let me know what ya'll think and Thanks in Advance!!!
I've often pondered the fact of having individual throttle bodies custom made for my cl-s though it would cost an arm and a leg to do, I believe the gains on the j32a2 would be pretty fuckin impressive!!!!! I figure If im gonna spend around $4k for a s/c then I want to see what else is out there for similar or even greater gains. Turbo is almost out of the ? for me.
I did several goggle searches and pulled nothing of the sort on our motor, with that being said have any of you guys considered/looked into this? And what would the cost/gains be?
Check this site I think Im gonna give them a call and see what they say:
http://haywardperformance.com/
Let me know what ya'll think and Thanks in Advance!!!
11-09-2006, 10:22 PM
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Originally Posted by fuzzy02CLS
So a TB directly on each cylinder? Is that right? 6 of them? Or do you mean a twin TB to replace the stock single TB?
11-09-2006, 11:13 PM
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says "hello to my TLX".
pretty impresive gains can be had from this alone. i saw this S2000 that accelerated and sounded awesome. there's a video of that floating around. the E46 M3s have this added to their inline 6. i almost would do an AWD conversion to a 6 spd. imagine having both. 
11-10-2006, 07:28 AM
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Originally Posted by fuzzy02CLS
So a TB directly on each cylinder? Is that right? 6 of them? Or do you mean a twin TB to replace the stock single TB?
I think it would be sick as shit.... Basically direct air injection in to the block.
You wouldn't be able to use a s/c with this mod because you lose you I.M. however if your turboin.... Then your haulin some balls!!!!
I haven't seen one j32a2 N/A that has been tuned to perfection to put down respectable numbers for what it would cost to do so! Maybe Ill be the 1st?
From everything I've read on this motor, it can be something serious!!!! And outside the tranny imperfections, this motor is highly sought after.
Im gonna call these fellas some time today abouth the I.T.B and see what they come up with.
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11-10-2006, 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by fuzzy02CLS
So a TB directly on each cylinder? Is that right? 6 of them? Or do you mean a twin TB to replace the stock single TB?
An individual throttle body setup comprises a throttle butterfly for each cylinder – a four-cylinder engine will have quad throttle bodies and a six-pot will have six throttle bodies. These individual throttles are typically mounted on the engine on a short runner intake manifold where each airflow passage is kept separate – there’s no shared plenum chamber downstream of the throttle valves.
11-10-2006, 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by slowcl-s
You wouldn't be able to use a s/c with this mod because you lose you I.M. however if your turboin.... Then your haulin some balls!!!!
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You can't do any forced induction with that setup. But it is cool looking. That idea has been around for 50 or so years. The early drag racers had these with mechanical fuel injection. Old fuelers used them and others as well. Some factory production models in the late 50's early 60's offered them to the public. I think an early corvett had it on a 327, 63 split window maybe??? As fuzzy wrote, it's not practical unles your doing a project car andyou have the bucks to experiment. Cheers!
11-10-2006, 09:32 AM
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11-10-2006, 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by RaviNJCLs
Sounds like there is a fair amount of potential, but I don't think that there are going to be enough people interested to encourage a company to make them.
11-10-2006, 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by slowcl-s
True.... But I know some places will do it as custom, on the otherhand Custom=$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$!!!! lol
11-10-2006, 10:11 AM
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About not being able to put boost on it...
On that website's page, you can find an intake for Eagle/Mitsubishi that has a tube added before the TB's that they call a "pressure tube". Looks like it is setup for turbo...
On that website's page, you can find an intake for Eagle/Mitsubishi that has a tube added before the TB's that they call a "pressure tube". Looks like it is setup for turbo...
11-10-2006, 10:59 AM
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Why reinvent the wheel? Sure it would look cool but on a daily driven CL-S it just isn't practical. You aren't going to pick up 80-100whp with ITBs which you easily will with bolt-ons and the supercharger.
And despite the need for custom work anyone looking to go the forced induction route should go turbo. At least us 6-speed guys.
S/C'er $3700
Headers $1,000
High Boost Pulley $100
Battery $100
Total: $4,900
Horsepower: 300-330whp on 6-speed
A turbo kit could be put together for maybe a thousand more and make a lot more power with less boost and have a ton more potential.
And despite the need for custom work anyone looking to go the forced induction route should go turbo. At least us 6-speed guys.
S/C'er $3700
Headers $1,000
High Boost Pulley $100
Battery $100
Total: $4,900
Horsepower: 300-330whp on 6-speed
A turbo kit could be put together for maybe a thousand more and make a lot more power with less boost and have a ton more potential.
11-10-2006, 11:32 AM
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ITBs are awesome... for a track car.
just not practical at all. no filter.
and as mr. steve pointed out, i dont think the overall outcome/potential would be worth it as compared to putting together a turbo.
it is a lot more common practice on a v8.
just not practical at all. no filter.
and as mr. steve pointed out, i dont think the overall outcome/potential would be worth it as compared to putting together a turbo.
it is a lot more common practice on a v8.
11-10-2006, 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by mrsteve
Why reinvent the wheel? Sure it would look cool but on a daily driven CL-S it just isn't practical. You aren't going to pick up 80-100whp with ITBs which you easily will with bolt-ons and the supercharger.
And despite the need for custom work anyone looking to go the forced induction route should go turbo. At least us 6-speed guys.
S/C'er $3700
Headers $1,000
High Boost Pulley $100
Battery $100
Total: $4,900
Horsepower: 300-330whp on 6-speed
A turbo kit could be put together for maybe a thousand more and make a lot more power with less boost and have a ton more potential.
And despite the need for custom work anyone looking to go the forced induction route should go turbo. At least us 6-speed guys.
S/C'er $3700
Headers $1,000
High Boost Pulley $100
Battery $100
Total: $4,900
Horsepower: 300-330whp on 6-speed
A turbo kit could be put together for maybe a thousand more and make a lot more power with less boost and have a ton more potential.
11-10-2006, 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by JBlueCLS6
I spend ALOT less than that, yes I know your talking new, but if you wait for each part you can reach probably get a setup just over 3k
Same goes for a turbo. You could probably piece together the (used) parts for a turbo set up for just over $4k.
However, there's obviously more used superchargers around than turbo setups.
But you don't need to use a GT35R... that's like a $1,500 turbo. You could go with a cheaper one and still make more power than the S/C.
11-10-2006, 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by mrsteve
Why reinvent the wheel? Sure it would look cool but on a daily driven CL-S it just isn't practical. You aren't going to pick up 80-100whp with ITBs which you easily will with bolt-ons and the supercharger.
And despite the need for custom work anyone looking to go the forced induction route should go turbo. At least us 6-speed guys.
S/C'er $3700
Headers $1,000
High Boost Pulley $100
Battery $100
Total: $4,900
Horsepower: 300-330whp on 6-speed
A turbo kit could be put together for maybe a thousand more and make a lot more power with less boost and have a ton more potential.
And despite the need for custom work anyone looking to go the forced induction route should go turbo. At least us 6-speed guys.
S/C'er $3700
Headers $1,000
High Boost Pulley $100
Battery $100
Total: $4,900
Horsepower: 300-330whp on 6-speed
A turbo kit could be put together for maybe a thousand more and make a lot more power with less boost and have a ton more potential.
Hmmm.... Maybe my experience with honda motors has misled me to believe that this motor could be a N/A Beast! I guess everyone here wants to take the easy way out and just boost, which is cool cause' Im still considdering that aswell. And fuck why not be Original! lol.
Afterall Honda holds the record for the fastes N/A car to run the 1/4 mile in under 10sec. at around 200mph in a b18c1 EG.
11-10-2006, 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by slowcl-s
Afterall Honda holds the record for the fastes N/A car to run the 1/4 mile in under 10sec. at around 200mph in a b18c1 EG.
Pretty sure you are wrong about that.
11-10-2006, 04:09 PM
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Alright screw you guys... all this talk about racing and my friend just called 3 minutes ago and talked me into going to Englishtown even though my clutch is slipping. Gonna give it one last go for the hell of it. Maybe I'll be fortunate and it'll grab by some miracle. I'll make a post on it later but more than likely It'll be disappointing....
Srry about the thread hijack btw. D=
Srry about the thread hijack btw. D=
11-10-2006, 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by mrsteve
Pretty sure you are wrong about that.
http://www.aempower.com/ViewCrew.aspx?MemberID=3
But yeah its runnin 6.71 seconds at 207.8 mph and yeah its the worlds fastest sport compact car and the 5th to reach NHRA 200mph club! Dont think there are many american muscle cars that can hang w/ that!
P.S. Search before you call some out!
11-10-2006, 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by slowcl-s
Afterall Honda holds the record for the fastes N/A car to run the 1/4 mile in under 10sec. at around 200mph in a b18c1 EG.
Fastest N/A Car? I think not.
11-10-2006, 06:55 PM
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He's not flaming on you.
There are a lot of knowledgable people that will check you if a statement is not said correctly.
If we were all sitting down together in person than it would be a different conversation but this is the internet we're talking about.
There are a lot of knowledgable people that will check you if a statement is not said correctly.
If we were all sitting down together in person than it would be a different conversation but this is the internet we're talking about.
11-10-2006, 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by GreenMachine
He's not flaming on you.
There are a lot of knowledgable people that will check you if a statement is not said correctly.
If we were all sitting down together in person than it would be a different conversation but this is the internet we're talking about.
There are a lot of knowledgable people that will check you if a statement is not said correctly.
If we were all sitting down together in person than it would be a different conversation but this is the internet we're talking about.
11-10-2006, 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by jproy
So back to the thread, are you still goign to try I.T.B.s? How cool that would be? I would love to see what it would do for the J32A2
11-10-2006, 10:12 PM
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Originally Posted by slowcl-s
Im actually pretty sure your wrong brotha check this out:
http://www.aempower.com/ViewCrew.aspx?MemberID=3
But yeah its runnin 6.71 seconds at 207.8 mph and yeah its the worlds fastest sport compact car and the 5th to reach NHRA 200mph club! Dont think there are many american muscle cars that can hang w/ that!
P.S. Search before you call some out!
http://www.aempower.com/ViewCrew.aspx?MemberID=3
But yeah its runnin 6.71 seconds at 207.8 mph and yeah its the worlds fastest sport compact car and the 5th to reach NHRA 200mph club! Dont think there are many american muscle cars that can hang w/ that!
P.S. Search before you call some out!
And to answer this thread, a custom ITB set-up is probably gonna run you 3-4k easily and at most you'll probably see 15-20 hp. A supercharger will get you more power for the same or probably even less $$$ and is more practical for a daily drive as you will still have an air filter.