SilverBullet_RENAMED

CL-S vs 3 Stangs, 5.0 GT 5spd, 99+ GT 5spd, and Cobra 5spd, all modded 6:22 PM 7/28/2002


I was up in Austin last night visiting the scene talking to friends, etc. At a point everyone left and got on the highway to do some runs. I mainly went to watch, but when I was behind 3 stangs lining up to run I wanted to see how I could hang with them, to my amazement I beat them. The Cobra is the one I am not sure where he was but more details in a bit.
Anyways, the mustangs all lined up in front of me, 5.0 GT 5spd on left lane, 99+ GT 5spd middle, and Cobra in the right. I was behind the 99 GT. I held 2nd gear right in my power band, we all launched at 45mph The 99 GT and Cobra pulled the 5.0. I was on the tail of the 99GT and he was not leaving me. I passed the 5.0 while he was still racing, and I noticed I was getting too close to the 99, so I switched lanes to the left. We kept in it, I hit 3rd sometime in this, and near my top of 3rd I was passing the 99 GT. I was on his side about my front bumper at his front fender before we all let off. The cobra at this time was not ahead of the GT, I think we both pulled him. But the guy with the 99 GT had gauges, and it was black with some nice chrome wheels, loud exhaust, etc.

The guy looked at me with a weird look, like how the hell can that car pass me!?

BTW, I am completely stock! And a Automatic at that!

My car best running area is the highway and at those speeds we ran.

3 stangs go down at once!

Black CL-S 4-Life

Nice kills!

monkey

thats funny, I can only imagine the "wtf look" on their face

KC CL 1785

QUESTION, SHOULDN'T THE Cobra rip the shiznit out of a cl-s? Just asking I had thought that they were much much faster, but I am sure that the gt was a nice kill

Scrib

Since I don't know you... I'm not going to call you a liar.


Nice kills!!!


Although, I'm having a hard time believing the Cobra kill...


I'm sure Pull_T will share his opinions.

CCType-S

Nice kills but I'm having a hard time to believe u beat a Cobra.

Pull_T

Who is that tool?


All I know is I saw him comment on this kill on the TL forum and got no respect.


I'm not saying he didn't get a kill, but certainly the Cobra and GT are faster cars, so the normal caveats apply (holeshot, poor driving, not racing "all the way", etc.)

quikcls

the cobra should have an edge on us but it could be done

quikcls

especially from a rolling start

Pull_T

Actually, from a rolling start, it takes away more driver error and the Cobra can just let it's 8-10 mph trap advantage speak for itself.

And I'm not just talking about the Cobra either really, the GT is a mere 2-3 tenths slower than the Cobra unmodded.

SilverBullet_RENAMED

The older body Cobras are not any faster than the current GT Mustangs.

SilverBullet_RENAMED

I knew people with a 97 Cobra and a 98. He ran at the track. He also ran very well. Best Trap he got was 101. But when he was stock, he would only get 97-98 traps.

Again the STANG isn't all that fast in speed! Geez

Dom418

Nice Run...

what year was the Cobra??

roo97ss

97 cobra, borla exhaust, k&n cone = 104-5 traps depending on the weather (one of my brother's old cars). That was with about 45k on the clock. the 96-7 were comparable, the 98s a bit quicker and the 99s a touch above that. Still out of the league of the cls.

However, an older 94-5 cobra would only trap about 97-8, but they wouldn't say cobra on the back bumper or have the round fogs.

99+GT 5 spd 98-100 traps.

SilverBullet_RENAMED

1997-98 cobras were the fastest ones built till 2003. Why you think Ford had a major issue when the 99 Cobra came out and went till 2000? Then they canceled it, brought it back as a 2003 which actually kicks ass. The 99+ Cobras are slower than the 97-98 Cobras. The 98 isn't any faster than the 97. 95-96 are slow Cobras.

AC_RENAMED

What kills me is that all the Mustangs are modded and the TLS is bone stock...

Dude, all I can say is Good Kill for what it's worth.

Pull_T

For the most part, I agree with what you're saying here, just want to clear a few things up:

Well, bone stock I'd give the 96-98 Cobra a SLIGHT edge all things equal, a couple tenths and 1-2 mph, byt very close. Where the DOHC shines is when modded where anything from simple exhaust to blowers give a larger incremental increas.

Quick rundown (with what I believe are the bone stock numbers well driven and in good conditions, take them as you wish):

93 Cobra (older "80s-early 90s" bodystyle if you will, the Fox Body) - 5.0 liter pushrod V8, important upgrade over the GT being an improved intake [14.2-14.4@96-97]

94-95 Cobra - ("SN95" body style, like mine) - same 5.0 liter as the 93 [14.4-14.5@95-96 ~ slower than 93 due to about 250 extra pounds]

96-98 Cobra - (still "SN95") - DOHC 4.6 liter, most of us Stangers agree that the 98 is SLIGHTLY stonger, maybe 5-8 hp [13.7-14.1@99-103 ~ I put a large spread in here due to the DOHC being tough to drive and launch correctly with the stock 3.27 gear]

99 & 01 Cobra - ("new edge" body style) - essentially the same DOHC as the 96-98 motor, with the 99 & 01 having a revised intake and no IMRC plates, also IRS which plays havoc at the strip [13.7-14.1@99-103 ~ same due to the IRS pretty much countering the additional 10-15 hp]

03 Cobra - (still "new edge") - Blown 4.6 DOHC [numbers till TBD]

Gosh, I love talking Mustangs

I am RobG

the cobra is a little hard to believe, but the 5.0's aren't fast....hence the old five point slow saying....and neither are the new gt's because i've taken many gt's down. They're nice cars, not dissing them, but come on, they run 14.7's and 0-60 in 6.1....i ran a 14.7 and i'm not a professional driver

Pull_T

Not really fair Rob...you quote your 14.7 (which is better than 90% of the guys on here have mustered) and then quote the worst mag time out there for the GT. I've run 13.9 stock in an 00 GT which is more comparable to your run (i.e. - good run on good track by a driver that knows what they are doing)

nateadawg4life

nice kill ,

Water-S

nice kill but what gets me the stangs were modded(CAI, pipe,header,fuel rails, what ever)you'd think the Cobra would be with mods run a high 13's to mid 13's pretty constant. either the driver of the Mustang Cobra didn't know what he was doing or something might have broke. personally if I owned a Mustang Cobra that can run upper 13's easy and get my butt handed to me by a car that runs low 15's I'd be trading on a CL or TL

SilverBullet_RENAMED

Cobras run mid to low 14s stock. With mods they can run 13s. Who knows what this Cobra had. The 99 GT beat it, I edged the 99 GT.

10 stangs down on my list so far.

I was setup to race a few cars this past weekend, and I proved the stangs aren't all that. I beat a 5.0 badly. Now people are having respect for my car.

Our cars run high 14s stock, not 15s.

fiveoh-tl

LMFAO. This has turned out to be quite an entertaining thread. "5.0's aren't fast" (what you probably meant was - stock 5.0's w/ 100k+ on the odomometer just don't have the same power anymore), "stangs aren't all that" (what you probably meant to say was - the stangs that you thought were racing weren't really, but you were), and "we launched at 45mph" (what you meant to say was - I know a "launch" is typically from a dead stop...synonymous w/ a hole shot, but we layed into the throttle at 45mph)...does the Dumb & Dumber humor ever end???

If you few "Stang-killers" really think Mustangs aren't all that and you can waste them, why don't you head down to E-town on Saturday 9/7 for the import/domestic showdown (which you are welcome to enter).....the first one in 4/02 showed some fast CLS'/TLS' running 13.9-14.5 and some slow 5.0's and POS 4.6's ripping off 10.1-12.0 second ET's.

I think there should be a forum called "Comedy Central".

MustangIsFaster

Sorry to tell you, but you a so FOS.... If your car runs high 14 / low 15.... All three of those stangs run low 14's High 13's//// then that says it all right now... What 10 stangs have you raced??? the old 4cyl or 6cyl types?. some grandma going to get groceries?.... Get a clue man, your bone stock car even driven by a professional wouldn't out run those three stangs you are talking about, unless they were running on less than 7 cyls.... or if they have already quit racing.....

drewkeen

well i may seem biased here but stock cobras run high 14's with some of the world's shittiest drivers, that from a dead stop. from a roll, the cobra should dominate your car, ESPECIALLY if its modded. if you put $1200 of mods into a 93 cobra it will be pulling over 400hp on the dyno (thats after you add in drivetrain loss). the 96 was the same as the 97 and 98 but had the cooling problem which was fixed by ford. the 99 (after the fix) and 2001 were faster than these two, but are hard to launch due to irs and are heavier due to irs. if you beat one with a good driver it would be a fully stock 94 or 95, trickflow heads alone on the 5.0 give it a 70hp and yes that is dyno proven, not like a cold air intake giving you 15 which is nowhere near true. and i guarantee you didn't outrun a 03 because they are trapping around 110mph and running 12's from the factory, slicks and a smaller pulley they would run 11's all day.

i'm raising the bs flag.

drewkeen

ah, i just figured it out. it says post FICTION and non-fiction stories here...the fiction part explains the reason for this thread.

SilverBullet_RENAMED

Tells me your pretty stupid.

I had a mustang friend which owned a 97 cobra. The 96 cobra was slow, the 97 and 98 were the fastest cobras made till now. The 96 basically was a GT with a better intake manifold, thats it. The 97 had alot more goodies added which made it 25% faster.

But even then, that body style and year cobras only ran low 14s at best with 96-99 traps stock.

On a highway run, our cars will be so close in a race. Look at the traps, that plays a factor.

roo97ss

would have enough money to buy a clue.

this is the kind of BS i expect to hear on the civic and golf sites where the entrance fee is 2-5 grand for a cheapy POS; here these guys bring the same 15 yr old mentality yet have the money to fork out for an 01 or newer cls.

any dohc cobra is faster than a cls, esp from a roll. i haven't lined my cls up against my brother's old cobra (sold to a local friend); but i will say while the ls1 in either my brother's ta or my SS will walk the cobra (k&n filter, cat back) reasonably well, it's nothing like the lengths the SS puts on the cls.

my brothers car, simply k&n filter and cat back would run 13.6-8 at 103+ mph consistently. I'm yet to see anyone even close to this. 13.7 to 14.7 and 103 to 96 is a huge difference when it plays out on the road.

sure an older 5.0 (notch style) is only a little quicker than a cls, and would probably get taken in a highway run. and the 94-8 should be a 50/50 run assuming the stang is a manual, again with the cls pulling on the highway. But the dohc cobra (96,7,8,9,01) weighs only about 100lbs more than the CLS and puts 255-265 of it's 305 rating to the wheels.

The slowest time and lowest trap that i've ever seen for a dohc cobra (the ones that say cobra across the back with vertical taillights) is still faster than the fastest cls time in any mag...

I think the fastest i've seen a dohc cobra (pre 01) go was 13.0 @ 103, all stock. Well driven under good conditions. So when you're discussing your factory freak cls, with i,h,e, etc. etc. remember you're still not as fast as this freak, nor as the i,he, etc. etc. cobras that are consistantly into the 12s and low 13s. oh and the 03 cobra, compare it to our own savior the 03 6spd cls runs mid to high 12s at 110+ vs our mid to low 14s at 98+

Let me say i don't own a cobra, do own a cls...but these are the facts...talk about beating a dead horse.

Joe

Pull_T

The 96 Cobra is the same as the 97-98 Cobra (DOHC 32V V8). You should watch throwing around the "stupid" label or you might get it put on YOU.

SilverBullet_RENAMED

To what I was told by several OWNERS of Cobras, it is not the same. I use to own a 99 TransAm, I use to whoop the 96 year Cobras ass, but the 97-98 was much harder but still not a problem.

I swear, these mustang guys think there the shit with there slow v8. Actually one of the slowest V8s period.

MustangIsFaster

Let's not forget about the enging size difference... While the GM world is having to put 5.7L engines in to make their cars fast,,,Ford only puts in a 4.6 and kicks TA/SS ass, you get your little POS rice rocket and go line up against an 03 Cobra.... You'll be leaving with hoof prints on your hood....... Besides, Ford has been around since the dawn of automobiles... the rest of the world is just rip off car companies that copied another man's invention

Rips CL

hahahahaha....funny shit. But you forgot to mention, and doing it better!!!

SilverBullet_RENAMED

That's funny, lets slap on a SC onto the LS1 and see it take it. lol. Take the SC off the 03 cobra and the ls1 will kill it.

Bluto

Obviously, you were born yesterday.

Carl Benz built the first practical automobile.

Henry Ford improved the manufacturing.

MustangIsFaster

omg, I guess if I was born yesterday then that makes me the smartest 1 day old human in history.... lucky me...


Geez, you ricers are soo much fun to screw with.....


oh, and for the 5m4rt 4$$ that talked about Benz being the first.... I never said Ford did it 1st, I said was "around" since the dawn of automobiles, and another man's invention-- I didnt specify what the invention was....... so take your little thong out of a knot.

MustangIsFaster

And another thing.... since someone was so kind enough to point it out.......... If you are going to say that the Cobra will get spanked by taking it's blower off then racing NA against the TA, then that would defeat the whole idea of FACTORY vs. FACTORY,... also.. Along that line, If the Cobra has to remove it's blower to race a TA and be considered fair, then every one of you in here needs to remove your Turbo/Charger before racing a NA Mustang.... or are you going to be a hypocrite..

In the real race world, NA doesn't go against Forced Induct. or Spray..... There's a thing called RACE CLASS... you should read about it


oh, and for the n00b's NA means Naturally Aspirated.

moomaster_99

then why do you need 4.6L and 2 more cylinders to barely edge out a car that is 300-400lbs. heavier and displacing only 3.2L? If you wanna compare...compare a N/A 2002 Cobra to a 2003 CL-S w/ a manual, wow!! All of a sudden it comes down to a better driver....even with the rwd and posi edge that mustangs get.

fiveoh-tl

The beginning of this thread was funny, now it's getting plain stupid, with these idiotic comments.
If the '03 Cobra has to take it's s/c off, then the LS1 has to either ditch 50+ cubes or lose 1.1 liters or pull a spark plug to make it all fair......using your logic (or lack their of).

And the comment about the "slow v8's" and "one of the slowesdt v8's period"......you're either Forrest Gump stupid or you're getting off by yanking all our chains.

StupidRiceMix

DUMB RICER'S, Never learn. What are you proving by taking off a blower and running a 5.7L engine against a 4.6L? If you want to do that then why not take a 5.8L 351 ci engine against the 5.7L, It only seems fair. Or If you would like to do it your way, by taking a much smaller engine against a larger engine, Lets just take your rice lawnmower cl engine and compare it to a 4.6L dohc 32 valve engine?

Its not to fair NOW is it?

Second of all, Some guy told me that ricers with lawnmower engines can run 18 seconds stock, does that mean they run 18seconds.

Well what im trying to say is, dont believe everything you hear about mustangs. The truth is they are much faster than your rolling lawnmowers.

moomaster_99

HAHAHHAHAHAHA...shows what you know shit for brains...go ahead and compare your 4.6L DOHC v8 to our 3.2L SOHC v6....a stick v. a stick...you'd be surprised...shows your level of intelligence.