RUF87

A little Mustang fun . . this is a 2010 Mustang GT with manual tranny. I know the guy pretty good and he's seasoned drag racer and beats other GTs, so this time there is no saying that maybe the guy couldn't drive. So what was the outcome? Well from a 30mph start he got the jump, but it didn't matter as the TL stuck right with him all the way through 2nd gear. The car rags have the manual running 13.6 sec in the 1/4 mile at 104mph. This is interesting as I was thinking might have a shot to hit high 13s, and on top of it . . . my car still isn't running right, so once it's fixed and if I can get some traction off the line . . . I can't wait to get to the track and see what kind of numbers I can lay down. 13s??

Ruf

SexyCLS

Really??
Wht kinda mods do u have?

RUF87

02 WDP TLS Black Interior w/ Black Grill Inserts & Cleared Headlights
**1/4mile 14.46 @96.07MPH – 14.23 corrected; (45-70mph test - 3.5 secs)
17x7 Konig Appeals SMF – 18.2lbs each
P225/45ZR-17 Sumitomo HRT AS P01- (Kumho Ecsta SPTs for track)
CT Icebox, Custom RamAir, CT Sways & Springs
3nd Gen Innovative Motor Mounts – Front (w/black bushings) & Side Only
Bored out Intake & TBs, Mugen Cooling Mods & Thermoblok
Ceramic Coated XS Headers & Random-Tech Hiflow CAT, Custom 2.5”
CAT Back exhaust with Vibrant 1145 Mufflers
NEO Anti Freeze & 5w-20 oil w/Militec-1
Tranny #3 Installed 11.17.2008

Note** (1/4 mile time was before headers, Hi-flow CAT, Custom Exhaust,
Vibrant Mufflers, IMMs, Full Bored out Intake & TBs)

gnuts

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what happened after 2nd gear?
If not from a dig, our cars will hang with cars people don't think they should.

Oakroadsteve

What happened after second gear????
My 01 Cls auto has run a 14.1 under optimal conditions. I ran an 01 GT 5sp and stayed right with him up 90 and that was before headers.

The thing is from a start these pony cars will pull several cars due to the greater torque.

Really nice mods you have and I would like to know how you bored out the intake and TB

I can go 30-80 in 6.4 seconds under optimal conditions and typically 6.7 in warmer weather. Looking forward to trying to match your time from 45-70 later in the day...

RUF87

Don't know what would have happened in 3rd, but based on past experiences I'm good all the way through 3rd, then once in overdrive (D4) . . . well we all know our cars limitations at that point . . And there's really no sense in taking it much past 2nd gear on the street anyway . . . on an open highway, that would be a different story.

By the way, my friend in the GT called and offered me a rematch. Said he was surprised and that my car was running good. Now we just need to find a good place to run.

Ruf

RUF87

The throttle bodies are the most critical as you need to have new butterflies made. Those that have done this sort of mod send the TB assemblies to Kings Motorsports. They'll machine everything and will check and replace the throttle positioning sensor if necessary. As for the other components, we'll I used a template made from the newly bored TB and then bored out all the other parts until they matched. I also bored out the intake neck where the TBs bolt to and clean up the inside a bit, no polishing as I'm not a fan of that . . . I believe you need a bit of turbulence in the air flow. Old school was that porting was good, but polishing was not unless you had some sort of forced induction. Anyway, after this mod you could really feel the difference . . . about equal to that of headers.

Ruf

Oakroadsteve

Thanks Ruf..I had read in a post several months back that someone had done some of the the things you have done and spinning the wheels in the second gear upshift on the 5 speed was done with ease.

What is it with the 4th gear on these cars?? It's like hitting a brick wall at 100. My wifes new BMW 328 has a 6sp auto and that car screams after 100. It can only pull a 14.9 in contrast to the 14.2 I pull with ease but after 100 the 4 cylinder Toyotas can stay with me.

RUF87

Traction definately becomes a bigger challenge as power increases and unlike a rear wheel drive front wheel is much more problematic. When the temps get in to the 40s or less it's worse as that outside temp feeds directly in to the ram-air pickup as it's outside of the fender well. And colder tires and road surface don't help either. If I punch it in 1st gear (30mph or less) it'll just spin the tires . . . and 2nd gear is more than a chirp as it spins them a couple of times.

As for 4th gear, well it's actually an overdrive gear. With these engines being short on torque it's like someone threw and anchor overboard.

Ruf

Oakroadsteve

Yes I have noted here is South Florida that in the low 40's there are traction issues from 10 to 20 mph on full throttle acceleration. I am not quite at your level acceleration wise as I can get a nice chirp in second at that temp but that's about it.

What do you think of the p2r spacers??

gnuts

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i think P2R spacers and thermo gaskets help in places where the temps get really high. Keeping the engine cooler and air temp down shows in those places.

RUF87

Agree . . . if you are serious about getting the most out of your car and have the money, I'd recommend doing it. Since the P2R stuff wasn't out when I did the cooling mods I used the Thermoblok stuff and it does make a difference. After running it hard . . getting it really hot . . I can keep my hand on the top of the intake for a bit where before I couldn't do it for more than a few seconds. The P2R spacer is a bit thicker than the Thermoblok spacer, not sure what difference there is, but most like the P2R.

Ruf

Oakroadsteve

Did you do the throttle body bypass??

Oakroadsteve

That is the Throttle Body Coolant bypass..

RUF87

Yes, and I also did the "Scalbert" cooling mods. This consists of replacing the thermostat and radiator fan switch with colder ones from a Prelude. And a Mugen radiator cap for an extra 1hp, okay maybe it's more for looks.

And just in case you're interested in that . . . here's some basic info on it, or search on Scalbert, Mugen, cooling, etc.

http://www.kingmotorsports.com/categ...ategory=Engine
$49.oo - mugen thermo switch 37760-XK5-00N0
$32.00 - mugen radiator cap 19045-XGER-0000
$80.00 - mugen low temp therostat 19301-XGMR-0000

NiteQwill's DIY:
https://acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php/?t=159037

Ruf

CH46ESeaKnight

$80.00 for a thermostat???? $32 for a cap????


I guess thats what we get when we don't have much support for aftermarket parts.

RUF87

It's sad isn't it.

For those of us who've been here for a long time . . . this was one of the first few mods available at that time . . . and we were desperate for every single HP we could get.

Ruf

civicdrivr

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I paid $50 for my t-stat, but I bought it off someone that wrecked their Prelude before they installed it. Im still searching for the fan switch before I install it though. Every place says its on back order.

JBlueCLS6

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Mishimoto may be an alternative for the Mugen cooling mods and probably cost just a little over 50% of the Mugen.

kdawg8526

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this will be my next mod but 32.00 for a rad cap?!? would i still be good without the mugen cap

btw awesome race glad to see us keeping up with the mustangs

civicdrivr

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You should be able to find a 1.3lb rad cap at a parts store. Thats all the Mugen cap is. The stock cap is 1.1lbs.

Oakroadsteve

Ruf..What about the p2r throttle body spacer??

Oakroadsteve

Back when I had my Mustang GT I had read that you could wring a few ponies out of the A.T. by replacing the tranny fluid with a synthetic brand. One of the Mustang Mags at the time did a dyno test that proved that A 3HP increase would be yielded by replacing the stock Ford fluid with synthetic.

Acura trannys have a well deserved rep for breaking down early and often. I had mine replaced at 70K and at 103K now am leery of a fluid swap.

What do you think??

phee

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if ur gunna risk a 2500 dollar tranny for 3hp just buy a supercharger

av6ent

Is it even considered a race? Just through a 2nd gear, lol? With your laughable mods the GT will destroy, sorry. Go on the track and see and you'll be VERY VERY lucky to get flat 14s even if you throw DR.

I did get that guy CAN drive, but something doesn't add up with that so called "race".

RUF87

It's okay to be confused . . some people just can't add . . especially Bimmer guys . . I like embarrassing them . . on a regular basis . . I guess that's why you had to buy a turbo charged Bimmer . . it's the only way you have a chance at beating us.

Have a nice day.

Apologies to the rest of the sceptics . . it's okay, just don't be an about it.

Ruf

CL-Future

Your response couldn't have been worded more perfectly.

On a side note, I'd like to see that turbo charged Bimmer

civicdrivr

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trancemission

Lets keep this thread pleasant. No personal attacks. Just want to stop it before it starts.

I know Ruf and Ive watched him personally take cars down. I would put my money on him against any of you.

RUF87

I see them around my area quite regularly, but mostly divia women driving them. I expect one day I'll run in to one . . and based on some of the posted times . . . it's right around the Mustang GT, so it should be interesting. Twin Turbo vs NA Type S . . shouldn't be a fair match up. Regardless, as long as it's a stock 335i it'll be a good race. And once I get a few things fixed I'll be able to take it allout through 3rd gear . . . it'll be interesting.

Ruf

RUF87

Yes Sir . . . me no want time out.

Ruf

civicdrivr

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Damn. And I made popcorn for nothin

av6ent

Add what up? Your broken CL-S?
You're a moron. Correction, you're a fu<kin moron
You are so pathetic that it's really hard for me to conceptualize you as anything other than a fifteen year old who thinks he knows and can do everything, when it's pretty clear that you don’t. Your shit is weak so you decided to blame on BMW? LOL. You attacked me for no freaking reason first when I simply asked if that was a valid race?

Bottom line, you are ignorant dolt with laughable comments that have nothing to do with your so called "race". I suggest you first to either fix your crippled CL-S before you post something that makes sense.

I would believe any CL-S above 230 wtq (like TypeR who could also walk on it) or anyone with FI, but not you

civicdrivr

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Do you know Ruf? Im betting not since he doesnt have a CL-S.

You may want to go back and reread your first post. It certainly seemed as though you were the one attacking.

Off to make more popcorn....

RUF87

Yeah, looks like you get to make some after all. I just don't get people with other cars (especially ones that claim to own a higher-end car) that troll forums to start stuff. It's like they are so insecure that they need bully people by putting down their posts and or cars. Anyway, I won't even respond anymore as it's now very clear they really don't know anything about our cars, so I'll join you with some and enjoy the show.

Ruf

celynka

... nice going guys ... it is gettin funny out here! USA is one of the last countries where BMW is seen as something prestigeous/better than anything else. Europe is treating bimmers pretty flat and in some areas it is even a synonym of being a redneck ! - maybe thats why these guys are getting so easily upset - after spending chunk of change , not much of an attention!

av6ent

Do you know me? Obviously NOT since you registered 4 years later, ooh pardon me, he has TL-S.



You should follow your own advice young one and see that his “race” is laughable. He ran through the 2nd gear through transmission #3, and think that he stayed with GT? Since when it’s considered even race? I don’t go around claiming that my 335i stayed with C6 Z06 through 2nd gear then posting this on intraweb and pin it as a race. Morons like Ruf (who is also 49 y.o.) do and kids like you believe them

He still thinks that his broken TL-S can stay next to GTO, SRT8 and others? If he’s going to ran into those who CAN drive he would be a butt hurt so bad, it’s not even funny. What a joke and if you still don’t get it that’s fine I will laugh more from you too. The saying “I’ve got V-Tech, yo” or actually “V-TAK”, comes to mind. I also see that this community became flooded with kids since scalbert, allmotor, thinjim, 02av6 and another 3-4 guys departure.

:thumbsdow

civicdrivr

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Uh oh, someones pulling the OG card.

av6ent

Very mature post . What does owning BMW has anything do with HIS race?

Who's upset? Me? You throwing pointless words out of your mouth. I'm extremely happy with 335i for you info and NOT looking for a specific attention. Attention always finds me, not the kind of car I'm driving.

Wow, this board level becoming or already became

av6ent

Trolling? Look at my registered date, you shmuck. I used to own the AV6 and know enough about J32A2 engine and both 2nd gen. CL-S and TL-S capabilities. I also know someone who used to own swapped J32A2 into AV6 with a blower kit running 12.8@109mph. In addition, I was also discussing regular things with scalbert, allmotor, and other knowledgeable guys. Getting from your logic you’re supposed to be then a troll yourself since you belong to TL board but you’re posting on CL, right?

Nice try running your mouth I simply stated your claim of staying next to GT is a joke, along with GTO, SRT8 as I noticed here and other superior powerband cars while running nothing but bolt-ons and broken shit. I truly hope someday someone will butt hurt you with one of those cars including 335i so you’ll get back down to earth and stop posting nonsense.