2003TL-S

Me and a buddy, he has a 03 Accord Coupe V-6 stick, decided to go out and do a couple HWY runs. So we are going on I94 West, go from about 75-100 (right in my sweet spot) each time I put about a half to a car length on him. We did this three times and then all of a sudden I see a car come flying up on my left side and slow down, and wouldn't you know it was a 04 TL, so we sat three across and went two times from about 75, I stayed with the TL until I hit 110 when I let off, he had a nose on me. Second time, I honked three times and got a better jump and he was at my driver side door and didn't make up any ground. I was pretty impressed. All I have is a K&N.

Red-CL

Pretty good to be almost stock.

F23A4

After just having test drove the 2k4 TL at length, I didnt find the auto model to be much quicker (if any) than my 2k2 Max auto; which is similar to the TL-S in terms of acceleration numbers.

So I totally believe your account. But the AV6 6MT should have taken your stock TL-S slightly (min); exc. driver factor, that surprises me.

ferizzo

Yeah, I'm a little surprised about the 7AV6-6 (7th generation Accord V6 6-speed). Not surprised that you and the TL were even if it was auto as it appears to have been.

Chaptorial

Nice runs.

Its time to mod up.

Black CL-S 4-Life

Sounds like fun! Get headers and you will beat your friend by even more.

JagV12

Good racing. But your friend in the accord needs to learn how to drive. I raced a stock TL-S from 0-80 and had 2 cars on him and I drive an auto Accord V6.

Black CL-S 4-Life

F23A4

I wont doubt your run (I wasnt there) but, the TLS and AV6 auto should run even (@ best, for the AV6) 0-80mph; much above that, the TLS will pull.

Montez

Dunno about this either, your CAI isnt giving you that much power to put 2 cars on TLS to 80 giving theTLS is slighty quicker stock to stock.

ferizzo

yeah, I'm not sure if I buy the auto accord pulling on a TLS 2 car lengths to 80.

Chaptorial

An auto Accord V6 should not PULL on a TL-S even with a CAI. I'd say they should be running about even.

Not saying it didn't happen just that its not the norm.

Black CL-S 4-Life

^^^ He probably raced a TL-P wth a Type S badge and even then it should have been close.

2003TL-S

Personally against the auto accord v-6's I have run that are stock whether they are coupe or sedan, they have never had a chance once I get to about 60 and above, I have always pulled on them. Maybe its me but I have never had a problem. My friend is a decent driver not the best, but it was a hwy run and he was in the right gear starting off and seemed like he was shifting pretty well.

Type S Lady

I love that little guy with the flag, that is funny!

EVANCRUZ

yeah, i would have to agree with 2003 tl-s....
my wife told me some guy raced her from a light in an 03' accord v6. according to her she broke him off pretty good from 0-60.
she's crazier then me when provoked......

but that's just one of many accords. if i'm not mistaken the auto v6 accord is supposed to be about a half second slower from 0-60 then a tl-s. correct me if i'm wrong.

Montez

What amazes me is how C/D last month pulled of a 6.5 to 60 with the Accord automatic and Motor Trend as well a while back for that car.

F23A4

Yeah, MT ran a 14.9sec ET @92.XXmph with a fully loaded V6 Accord sedan.

JagV12

Wow. I never thought I would have had so many people doubt my win. Its cool if you guys don't believe me. If you guys want clerification then go to V6performance.net and you can see the fastest Accord V6 Sedan with just intake only runs 14.58@96.4mph in the 1/4 mile. His name is LXv6guy on V6performance.net. Most guys with just intake run 14.7@96-97mph with no problems. I know a stock TL-S runs around a 14.9 just like a stock AV6. I also am 200lbs lighter than a TL-S have intake and a hyper ground system. The dyno's arent that much different if you look at them.

JagV12

A TL-P would have been destroyed by me or any stock 03 Accord V6 for that matter. AT BEST it hits a 15.3 stock.

darrinb

nice kills, mod her up...

Black CL-S 4-Life

Not true! The TL-P is almost as fast as a TL-S from 0 to 60. With the TL-S having barely a car. But as soon as the TL-S hits 3rd the TL-S will pull away. So I wouldn't say you would have destroyed a TL-P.

Black CL-S 4-Life

I find 14.56 a little hard to believe with just intake. I test drove a Accord V6 Sedan and the car was clearly slower than my car. There is no way in HELL an auto V6 Accord Sedan will touch my car with just intake....you better mod up with more than just an intake if you want to run with me.

robeaneee

14.5 with just an intake? and the sedan? i find that hard to believe also. given that the av6 and cls have similar weights and that the accord has 20 hp less...i dont see how you could have put 2 car lengths on the tls..oh maybe its your neuspeed bar giving you 50 hp to the wheels

maybe what you described did happen..i just find it hard to believe..either that or there were certain conditions that you haven't described (such as the other car not knowing you were racing him)

dallison

JagV12

Find it as hard to believe as u want to. Look for yourself....
http://www.v6performance.net/forums/...244&forumid=96

Gainesville Raceway, FL Dec 5, 2003

50°-55° temp ; 85%-95% humidity

2003 LX-V6 sedan; w/Injen CAI & w/o pre-muffler; gas light on; with spare & jack; tires=28f/40r

Best run = 14.589 @ 96.47 _ 2.301 60' _ .112rt

So I won't touch your car just with my intake and hypergrounds huh?


You know how high the humidity is so the time could get better. You have to realize that your car really pushes out only 10HP and 10TQ more. And you guys weigh 200lbs more to boot. Its a good match up for both cars stock vs stock or modded vs modded.

JagV12

Not similar weights. Your car is 200lbs heavier than mine.

Look at an accord dyno. To only lose by 2 cars he would have to be racing.

EVANCRUZ

cars are like people, they have there good days and bad days....
and there is always the cars of same make and model that are just plain faster then the rest without any reason. i've owned cars like this but unfortunately my cl-s seems to be average. but sometimes it feels like i could take on anybody..... and sometimes the heat soak makes it feel like a yugo.

this is from car and driver
it's the fastest time i've ever seen for a stock accord
impressive....

Vehicle type: front-engine, front-wheel-drive, 5-passenger, 2-door coupe
Price as tested: $28,360 (base price: $26,360)
Engine type: SOHC 24-valve V-6, aluminum block and heads, port fuel injection
Displacement: 183 cu in, 2997cc
Power (SAE net): 240 bhp @ 6250 rpm
Torque (SAE net): 212 lb-ft @ 5000 rpm
Transmission: 6-speed manual
Wheelbase: 105.1 in
Length/width/height: 187.6/71.3/55.7 in
Curb weight: 3299 lb
Zero to 60 mph: 5.9 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 15.2 sec
Zero to 130 mph: 31.1 sec
Street start, 5-60 mph: 6.3 sec
Standing 1/4-mile: 14.5 sec @ 98 mph
Top speed (drag limited): 135 mph
Braking, 70-0 mph: 181 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.82 g
EPA fuel economy, city driving: 20 mpg
C/D-observed fuel economy: 23 mpg

F23A4

If I'm not mistaken, I think Motor Trend's AV6 6MT test ran a VERY similar 1/4 mile time: 14.54@98.04

IMO, the AV6 6MT is a good alternative for someone who wants a loaded G35C but cant afford the $35G+ price of admission.

I wish Honda didnt govern the topend @ 135mph; I'd like see how fast it could go officially. (Though I'll bet it could run in excess of 145mph.)

Doom878

Yeah, Larry has the fastest auto 7th gen that we know of with his 14.5. There's a few others with 14.7 and I think VisGT ran with spray but I forgot his time. I think some 6spders have hit 14.4 if I'm not mistaken.

civic4982

puahaha... hyper ground system... that shit still cracks me up... idiots...

F23A4

dont laugh!!! when coupled with the Tornado, the hyper ground system can make even a Hyundai Accent formidable.

JagV12

Its common sense that will tell you that 100% copper grounds flow better than anything else. Let it crack you up all you want to while I buy another set for my next vehicle. It helped with gas mileage(proven by me) and my lights don't flicker when I use my power options in my car like it used to. Who knows if it helped my performance but don't comment unless you have had a set.

civic4982

I won't bother to argue the details of it because your stupidity is shown just by your actually spending money on such a gimmick product. Let me know how those Z-Max oil additive, Tornado, and electric powered "superchargers" they sell on ebay work out.

Automative NOOB...

3.2cl-s

So wait, the 14.5 is the fastest they have for the Auto, right??? is that supposed to be something to brag about, there are plenty of auto Cl-s's on this board that have gotten that or better.

Dont get me wrong, i think the new accord is nice looking with descent power but i dont think you should have said that an Accord driver must be not able to drive if they lose to a TL-s, they should be about even, just depends on the situation.

my .02

proaudio22

Please, everyone knows my super duper pure silver grounds flow the best of all. Brb, gotta go polish them again.

Seriously, you need to take some basic electrical classes.

JagV12

with just intake. I know there isn't a auto CL-S that pulls better than a 14.5 with just intake. I haven't found one on this site.

JagV12

You all need to get a set and then you won't make stupid comments. IF you don't have a set then you can't talk shit. The guys on my forum with my car who have them say great things about them as well.

JagV12

you don't argue the details because you dont know the details. You can't explain to me that 100% copper grounds don't flow better. Prove me wrong!?

proaudio22

Explain to me technically how they work. No I gain this bullshit. That could be anything. Why exactly do the "grounding kits" work, huh? Don't know eh? Thought so.

100% copper? Wtf do you think the grounds are made of on the car? Do you know the properties of copper under load? What about aluminum? Silver?