jgscott

I've seen 3 diff Dyno test in Mag's about those grounds. They all did from 4-11 hp increases. They say it depends on how good the factory ground system is not and where you place the wire's. It has something to do with increasing the ignition system voltage. For the record I don't own them and just metioned what I read. They won't help that Accord if it ran up on my CLS tho.

vinarnold

nice runs quick cars...

civic4982

they don't flow better than what? the copper grounds that we ALREADY have in our cars currently? Oh wait, you thought the grounds we had weren't copper? You think that the gobs of money poured into the engineers producing these cars didn't come up with a good way to ground it? I can understand how replacing deteriorated wiring will give benefit when new wiring is put in but no dyno has ever proven that using thicker gauge wiring benefits to any power increases, at least not describing equal environments for both pulls. Then again, I'm sure you believe all the dynos from othe car gimmicks of those As Seen On TV commercials.

I'm sure we've all seen the bullshit dynos from people who come in and do a cold pull to get lower #s, then once the engine is warmed up they run it again with their new and improved grounding kit to get higher #s.

It's automotive forum genuises like yourself that the market preys upon. I pit your ignorance.

NOOB...

proaudio22

I'm sure these kids all realize that the ignition is self contained to the block...lol...I'm sure grounding the hell out out of the block to the chassis helps it a TON.

The ONLY reason you would need to uprade the ground would be if you upraded the other side of the circuit(s) as well. A 200amp alternator with 1/0 feeder is one example. The grounds to the block are just for suppose say anyway. The whole chassis is metal...:busted:

jgscott

Could it depend on how good the factory grounds are ? Older cars with poor ground systems ? Just asking a question.

civic4982

precisely! the only reason you would need to replace a car's grounding systems are if they are deteriorated or were VERY poor to begin with. Our newer cars do not have this problem, hence, people paying $85 for some high quality system that really think their cars are going faster are automotively retarded.

jgscott

I gotta admitt. i was thinking about getting those wires. but think i'll passs. dont think that it could out preform or enhance the system in the CLS. think i'll put that money towards that Unchip. thanks.

F23A4

I TOTALLY agree. This is not unlike Sport Compact Car gaining 22hp with a K&N air filter on a 91 Galant VR4; the thing had an old cruddy filter (i.e.: lost HP) but when replaced with a K&N the increase was astounding. NOTE: The Galant VR4 is turbo and turbocars are hypersentive to mods versus n/a cars.

Jag, a before and after dyno on a late model (post Y2k at least) n/a car goes a long way proving your point.

GS Dave

Grounding systems seem to be all the rage, but if your car already was properly grounded(as probably all new cars are) it is unnecessary. Maybe its just that Honda's are poorly grounded to begin with. [runs for cover]

civic4982

"NAAAAAAWWSSS!!!"
*explosion of green flames of fury (that are very fast)*

proaudio22

I looked over my car really well. I don't think the factory grounds are that great (some kinda silly stuff) but they are just fine as far as the engine is concerned. The connectors seem to attract corosion tho.

That said, even if the factory grounds were just so so - you could upgrade all of the major grounds (>8ga) with plated connectors for <$50. These kits sell for over $100, ridiculous. They contain even longer runs of wire too.

2003TL-S

Ok, don't mean to start this battle up again, but yet again I took out a brand new Accord V-6 (auto sedan). Went from a stop to about 80 and I had him by a little over a car length. And yes I still only have a K&N although headers are being bought real soon!

Doom878

Why would you start anything? You outdrove him. The launch probably was to your advantage.

2003TL-S

I just mean that some people have a hard time believing that a stock TL-S could take a Accord AV6 sedan based on the numbers that C&D posted for this car. 5.9 0-60 and 14.5? quarter mile. And actually he had the jump on me.

Type S Lady

2003 TL-S I thought that race would be a cake walk. Thanks for letting me know it won't be. WOW, what is HONDA trying to do to us? Since when did Accords pack horsepower? Dang! The S/C is definitely a must for me.

2003TL-S

Honestly I haven't had any troubles being stock with one of them, but I have seen and heard of many of them putting up pretty impressive numbers stock or with just an intake. Its been mentioned before that they are also 200 lbs lighter than our cars. Don't worry, if you got headers on the way, you should be just fine!!

F23A4

Hold on: the 5.9 0-60 and 14.5 ET are numbers posted by C/D for the AV6 Coupe 6MT, not the AV6 sedan auto. There's a measurable difference between the two.

I dont have it in front of me but I think C/D got a 7.0 0-60 and 15.5 ET for the AV6 Sedan. (And I know quicker time was recorded by Motortrend.)

My money would be on the TLS, if its racing against the AV6 sedan.

2003TL-S

Ok, someone it may or may not have been in this forum said it was the Auto V-6 that could pull a 5.9 and a 14.5 quarter. What you are saying sounds more like what i am used to, I know my TL-S is a tad quicker than some other stock TL-S's I have raced but I didn't think I would be able to take a car that stock that ran a 14.5 quarter and beat it fairly easily. Thanks for clearing that up!

2003TL-S

You are right I looked it up MT posted a time of 6.5 sec 0-60 for the Auto V6 sedan, didn't see a time for the quarter though

Doom878

There is an auto that runs 14.5 but he has mods. I think the stocks run a 15.2.