**2003 CLS 6 Speed Preorder possible?**
11-30-2001, 03:01 PM
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Originally posted by tankmonkey
the type r runs against the 328s/330s (rather than the 318s/325s on the track), so it is comparatively underpowered. in addition, roger foo won laguna seca with a civic hatchback, which is *really* underpowered against the bimmers.
re: denying bmw outperforms acura - the results of the speedvision touring car championships seem to indicate otherwise.
re: skilled drivers in each car - you have something against alfred dupont or neal sapp or any of the turner motorsports guys?!?? they're pretty damn good drivers, I'd say.
rwd is the classic racing configuration, there's no denying it. all I'm saying is, cut honda some slack - they've worked wonders even considering the handicap of using fwd platforms. honda, unlike bmw, is first and foremost a car of the masses, so they will generally use mass production techniques to get where they need to be. it ain't art, but it is effective.
the type r runs against the 328s/330s (rather than the 318s/325s on the track), so it is comparatively underpowered. in addition, roger foo won laguna seca with a civic hatchback, which is *really* underpowered against the bimmers.
re: denying bmw outperforms acura - the results of the speedvision touring car championships seem to indicate otherwise.
re: skilled drivers in each car - you have something against alfred dupont or neal sapp or any of the turner motorsports guys?!?? they're pretty damn good drivers, I'd say.
rwd is the classic racing configuration, there's no denying it. all I'm saying is, cut honda some slack - they've worked wonders even considering the handicap of using fwd platforms. honda, unlike bmw, is first and foremost a car of the masses, so they will generally use mass production techniques to get where they need to be. it ain't art, but it is effective.
All excellent points...
They also add penalty ballast to wining drivers to "even" up the series and I believe the series is attempting to "promote" driving skills vs. technology...
11-30-2001, 05:38 PM
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Originally posted by Jake
BarryH,
I believe you are mistaken on when you say the dealer has no control on what they will get. I think it works like this. 1. Dealer Gets notified that he will get "A Car" in March (for example). This is called an allocation 2. The dealer has an amount of time to change the Color etc of the allocated car. A reputable dealer will create the list and as they are allocated the car change the specs to those fo the next person on the list.
This is how it went with my S2000 and my 2002 CLS
BarryH,
I believe you are mistaken on when you say the dealer has no control on what they will get. I think it works like this. 1. Dealer Gets notified that he will get "A Car" in March (for example). This is called an allocation 2. The dealer has an amount of time to change the Color etc of the allocated car. A reputable dealer will create the list and as they are allocated the car change the specs to those fo the next person on the list.
This is how it went with my S2000 and my 2002 CLS
12-01-2001, 08:22 AM
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Originally posted by Jake
BarryH,
I believe you are mistaken on when you say the dealer has no control on what they will get. I think it works like this. 1. Dealer Gets notified that he will get "A Car" in March (for example). This is called an allocation 2. The dealer has an amount of time to change the Color etc of the allocated car. A reputable dealer will create the list and as they are allocated the car change the specs to those fo the next person on the list.
This is how it went with my S2000 and my 2002 CLS
BarryH,
I believe you are mistaken on when you say the dealer has no control on what they will get. I think it works like this. 1. Dealer Gets notified that he will get "A Car" in March (for example). This is called an allocation 2. The dealer has an amount of time to change the Color etc of the allocated car. A reputable dealer will create the list and as they are allocated the car change the specs to those fo the next person on the list.
This is how it went with my S2000 and my 2002 CLS
12-01-2001, 08:06 PM
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CL Manual - about time!
I've been waiting for confirmation on the CL Manual. I currently own
a '97 5-speed CL and are in the market for a new A4 or BMW3. This new news has me confused now... I don't know whether to wait or not cause I am ready to pull the trigger on the Audi or BMW in Jan/Feb timeframe. Regardless, I'm glad for the Cl-S because that car & engine screams out for a manual!
a '97 5-speed CL and are in the market for a new A4 or BMW3. This new news has me confused now... I don't know whether to wait or not cause I am ready to pull the trigger on the Audi or BMW in Jan/Feb timeframe. Regardless, I'm glad for the Cl-S because that car & engine screams out for a manual!
12-01-2001, 08:14 PM
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Re: CL Manual - about time!
Originally posted by Tom T
I've been waiting for confirmation on the CL Manual. I currently own
a '97 5-speed CL and are in the market for a new A4 or BMW3. This new news has me confused now... I don't know whether to wait or not cause I am ready to pull the trigger on the Audi or BMW in Jan/Feb timeframe. Regardless, I'm glad for the Cl-S because that car & engine screams out for a manual!
I've been waiting for confirmation on the CL Manual. I currently own
a '97 5-speed CL and are in the market for a new A4 or BMW3. This new news has me confused now... I don't know whether to wait or not cause I am ready to pull the trigger on the Audi or BMW in Jan/Feb timeframe. Regardless, I'm glad for the Cl-S because that car & engine screams out for a manual!
12-02-2001, 04:14 PM
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I seriously do not know whats wrong with yall people!!! Yall had been talking about 2003, remember guys, 2001 just barely over with 2002 out, and yall talking about 2003? isnt that a little bit too obsess??? Who cares if 2003 will have 295 or even 300hps, or 6spd, who cares, its not out yet! Don't predict anything until it's officaly out! But it's OK to fantansize about it!
12-02-2001, 04:53 PM
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I don't know the exact dates but wasn't the '01 CL introduced in March or April of 2000? Also, the '02 TL was introduced mid-April of '01 so conceivably, we're only four months away from a '03 CL introduction.
12-02-2001, 09:14 PM
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Originally posted by KavexTrax
it is confirmed next April 2002: 2003 CLS 6 speed
it is confirmed next April 2002: 2003 CLS 6 speed
My birthday is April 29th.
In 2000 I just happened to place my order for my 2001 CL-S on that very day. (It arrived in June)
I may do the same this year.
Shawn S
12-02-2001, 10:54 PM
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Originally posted by Shawn S
That’s GREAT !!!
My birthday is April 29th.
In 2000 I just happened to place my order for my 2001 CL-S on that very day. (It arrived in June)
I may do the same this year.
That’s GREAT !!!
My birthday is April 29th.
In 2000 I just happened to place my order for my 2001 CL-S on that very day. (It arrived in June)
I may do the same this year.
hehe, its funny... I remember that "birthday present" post
those pics convinced me to get red.
12-03-2001, 12:25 AM
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Originally posted by provench
I am somewhat unique in that I am in a position where the salesman is not gonna rake me over the coals on the cost cause he is a personal friend of the family,etc.
My 2 cents ...
I am somewhat unique in that I am in a position where the salesman is not gonna rake me over the coals on the cost cause he is a personal friend of the family,etc.
My 2 cents ...
. Alot better that haggling over how close we can all get to invoice.TRELOS
12-03-2001, 12:31 AM
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Originally posted by DDT-TypeS
I can almost predict with accuracy that the 6-speed CLS transmission model won't sell as well as the autostick.
Simply because the benefits of this "automanual" transmission is far superior to that of a 6 speed manual transmission.
I'm sure that probably only a handful or people will actually buy it...and a major will still want to stick with their autostick.
Please don't bitch at me...I'm just saying there aren't as many manual tranny buyers for a CL as there are autostick buyers.
I can almost predict with accuracy that the 6-speed CLS transmission model won't sell as well as the autostick.
Simply because the benefits of this "automanual" transmission is far superior to that of a 6 speed manual transmission.
I'm sure that probably only a handful or people will actually buy it...and a major will still want to stick with their autostick.
Please don't bitch at me...I'm just saying there aren't as many manual tranny buyers for a CL as there are autostick buyers.
No I won't bitch at u, I wil actually agree with u. All the times that I drive my friends Audi S4, stick. I always try to see if auto is really that crucial to me. Well yea I lose an extra hand but I can always make up for it. When I'm hittin a bole
I can steer with my knee and shift with my right. But the only time that I feel that I would rather be with auto is when I'm too stoned to shift a manual.But me personally I do like the freedom of more control over my car, and the release of a 6-speed stick is something that I am expecting.
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12-03-2001, 12:41 AM
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Originally posted by provench
I guess I was expecting a bit more excitement out of acura-cl.com for a 6-speed sports luxury coupe with potential to be in the 5.5-5.7 0-60 range ... not bad for a $30K car.
Keep the cheer up - it's Friday !
I guess I was expecting a bit more excitement out of acura-cl.com for a 6-speed sports luxury coupe with potential to be in the 5.5-5.7 0-60 range ... not bad for a $30K car.
Keep the cheer up - it's Friday !
But mabey a 5.7 could happen...I could be wrong...I hope.
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12-03-2001, 12:50 AM
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Hey I find it weird that acura will release a 2003 model in April.... since the 2002 CL just hit the dealers like 3 months ago, no?
Wouldnt it make more sense that acura will release the 6-speed and keep it as a 2002 in april? I mean they are weird as it is, they change colors in the middle of a model year. So it wouldnt surpise me if they call the 6-speed in April a 2002 model. IMO
Oh and Shawn, CONGRATS!!
Wouldnt it make more sense that acura will release the 6-speed and keep it as a 2002 in april? I mean they are weird as it is, they change colors in the middle of a model year. So it wouldnt surpise me if they call the 6-speed in April a 2002 model. IMO
Oh and Shawn, CONGRATS!!
12-03-2001, 08:12 AM
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Hey I find it weird that acura will release a 2003 model in April.... since the 2002 CL just hit the dealers like 3 months ago, no?
Wouldnt it make more sense that acura will release the 6-speed and keep it as a 2002 in april? I mean they are weird as it is, they change colors in the middle of a model year. So it wouldnt surpise me if they call the 6-speed in April a 2002 model. IMO
Oh and Shawn, CONGRATS!!
Hey I find it weird that acura will release a 2003 model in April.... since the 2002 CL just hit the dealers like 3 months ago, no?
Wouldnt it make more sense that acura will release the 6-speed and keep it as a 2002 in april? I mean they are weird as it is, they change colors in the middle of a model year. So it wouldnt surpise me if they call the 6-speed in April a 2002 model. IMO
Oh and Shawn, CONGRATS!!
I agree, and I think this is what's going to happen as well. Most likely it will be a 2002.5 type of release. Acura is back on the regular fall release for new models. Either that or they'll release the 6-speed as an early 2003, but the auto won't come out until Sept. / Oct. with the regular cycle of '03 releases. Right now it's all speculation anyway......
12-04-2001, 11:29 AM
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12-04-2001, 11:51 AM
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dayum... I'll have to bow to that myself
12-04-2001, 12:04 PM
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Originally posted by Crazy AcurA
Hey I find it weird that acura will release a 2003 model in April.... since the 2002 CL just hit the dealers like 3 months ago, no?
Wouldnt it make more sense that acura will release the 6-speed and keep it as a 2002 in april? I mean they are weird as it is, they change colors in the middle of a model year. So it wouldnt surpise me if they call the 6-speed in April a 2002 model. IMO
Oh and Shawn, CONGRATS!!
Hey I find it weird that acura will release a 2003 model in April.... since the 2002 CL just hit the dealers like 3 months ago, no?
Wouldnt it make more sense that acura will release the 6-speed and keep it as a 2002 in april? I mean they are weird as it is, they change colors in the middle of a model year. So it wouldnt surpise me if they call the 6-speed in April a 2002 model. IMO
Oh and Shawn, CONGRATS!!
12-04-2001, 12:09 PM
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Originally posted by 1SICKLEX
Well if they don't start selling CLs soon the whole line may be discontinued, 6 speed or no 6 speed....
Well if they don't start selling CLs soon the whole line may be discontinued, 6 speed or no 6 speed....
12-04-2001, 02:40 PM
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Originally posted by gavriil
The 2001 CL/CLS was shipped in late March I believe. So it is possible for April to qualify as 2003.
The 2001 CL/CLS was shipped in late March I believe. So it is possible for April to qualify as 2003.
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Originally posted by Crazy AcurA
Thats only because it was redesigned. I mean it could happen, I just dont think acura will make it a 2003.
Thats only because it was redesigned. I mean it could happen, I just dont think acura will make it a 2003.
Acura needs a boost bad ... time to unload a few "chips" they have been holding back.
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Anyone hearing anything new from their dealers on this? I think I have a few weeks until the allocation deal happens at my dealer, so maybe it will be quiet until then ... 
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