Met up with my friend and his new XRS 6 speed..with the 2ZZGE Motor...thought I could take him with my 6 speed. but frankly I underestimated the Corolla...that thing is fu*king fast!!!! Met up at a red light....we both get a decent launch..but I was about a little less than half a car length ahead....I heard him hit LIFT..it was LOUD...and there gears are tall so they get gd 0-60 times. He gained on me ever so little in 1st gear lift....when I shifted into 2nd he jumped ahead ever so little again..but when he hit 2nd gear lift...we were dead even...he shifted into 3rd...he ssaid he stayed in lift betweeen gears and he pulled away from him slowly...man...can't believe I lost to a Corolla..or should a say a Celica in disguise....

 

 

don't feel bad, tsx isn't a fast car to start out anyways...

i won't feel bad if i lost to xrs or just eat by a srt4.... full of power but no rear power window lol.

 

What do you mean by "lift"?

 

toyota's version of i-vtec/vtec
vvt-i
variable valve timing with intelligence

 

 

A Corolla??? Damn, that sounds so sad...

 

Well, it's a sub-2700 pounds car with 170 HP and 127 ft-lbs of torque.

Roughly better power to weight ratio than a base RSX.

 

Weight is your enemy my friend.
Hard to get that extra 600lbs up to speed.

 

Just smile at the fact that you drive a TSX and he drives a Corolla

 

Yeah, turn on the white light and blind the Corolla.

 

ahh well...
atleast it was the "high-end" corolla or a "low-end" celica in disguise

 

I was gonna say...the weight difference kills our car

 

that lift is pretty amzing..and loud too..
our cars have lift too eh?...just can't feel it cuz our cams aren't as agressive I heard....anyone know when our lift hits?

 

are u sure?
I drive an auto and I kill my friend's XRS all the time....
/shrug...

 

OMG? Same here, I did PLAY and KILL my friend XRS all the time too, and I am on Auto. Are you sure is Corolla is stock tune?

 

Power to weight ratio favors the Corolla. Sorry.

 

I forgot la, but we have 2 stage but XRS only have 1 stage. Plus, you should be able to hear the vtec kicks in, if don't I would highly recommend to bring in for service. May be that's why you got beaten by Corolla??

 

The Matter of Weight is only apply when starting off the line, once they started then is the game of power and of coz, the ratio of MIS-SHIFT!

 

Its sad but definately possible....
TSX=not fast

 

dont street race you dumb @$@%!

 

Hi Guys!Glad to be here. I am an admirer of TSX and sometimes visit this site. I live in Calgary Canada. I saw this post and some interesting questions from curious people. I own a 6 speed manual Silver Streak Mica 05 Corolla XRS that I got 3 months ago. I would like to say that please do not feel bad about losing a race. I have driven a TSX twice (once a 6 speed manual and once a 5 speed automatic) and I was nothing, but impressed with the long list of standard features and beautiful interior. The car drives great as well. I really wish they had never came out with the Accord and made the TSX as the Accord ( like in Europe) As a matter of fact two of my friends bought TSXs upon my highest recommendation. I am not going to discuss the outcome of the race.

Back to the original questions, some people wonder about i-vtec vs vvtl-i. Being a Honda owner, you must have realized that there are two versions of i-vtec. One is found in TSX, Accords, Civic SiR and RSX Base Coupe (both have the same K20 engine etc. that opens up for a short duration and the redline is rather low ( TSX redlines at 7100 rpm, which is highest of the bunch, 6500 rpm for the rest of the bunch). Then you have the more aggressive version of i-vtec, which is found in Acura RSX Type S K20A engine, Honda S2000. These cars are much more high strung and high revving than the rest of -vtec Hondas. The cam lobe lift in these cars is more aggressive than the others. As an example, you can see both of these Hondas redline at 8000 + ( 8500 rpm for Honda S2000). That is exactly what the Toyota 2ZZ GE engine is like that is found in Celica GT-S/XRS. Furthermore, Lotus recently had to literally beg Toyota (Toyota refused the first time) to lend them the 2ZZ GE engine for the Elise roadster, the meanest street machine apparently because of the exceptional reliability record of the 2ZZ GE engine. My Corolla XRS redlines at 8300 rpm and the rev limiter does not kick in till 8500 rpm The lift kicks in at a lofty 6300 rpm and then lasts till 8500 rpm. The sound of the car changes to a sport motorbike/F1 racing car and gets very mean and angry (I have videos of me doing , 0- 60, 10 - 100 mph etc. if someone wants to see it, please let me know) The good thing is that it maintains the peak power after 7600 rpm right up till the 8500 rpm so it makes the XRS a monster. Corolla XRS 2ZZ engine is tuned a bit differently than the Celica GT-S since it hits peak torque at 4400 rpm while the GT-S does not see the same peak torque till well in lift at 6800 rpm. XRS and GT-S race has shown that XRS is faster than the GT-S in a straight line, but GT-S will win on the race track over XRS ( road holding 0.83 g for XRS vs 0.88 g for GT-S).

Having said that, you can see that the gears are not actually tall in the XRS. As a matter of fact the gearing is quite short on the XRS. The stratospheric redline is what gives the illusion of tall gearing. XRS like other high strung engine cars depends a lot on the driver. If you know how to drive it i.e make quick shifts, not drop out of lift and take it up to 8500 rpm then it will gather speed very quickly and can hit 0-60 in 6.6 secs (my own tests), but with a bad driver who does not know how to drive it, they can lose to a Mazda Protege...LOL.. I would encourage people to sit inside an XRS and you would be surprised at the level of refinement, fit and finish of the XRS with nice electroluminiscent optitron guages etc. It is extremely smooth even when it hits 8500 rpm with everything in extreme control. I hope this answers your question, in the end TSX is a great car. As a matter of fact I liked the interior and finish more than my brother in lawás BMW 330i. Two different cars, two different purpose. The sole intent of this posting was to answer questions of some curious people. Please feel free to post any questions and I will answer.

Oh and this engine is 1.8 L VVTL-i ( Variable valve timing with lift intelligence).

 

Not true. Top speed isn't affected by weight, but the acceleration to top speed is greatly affected by power to weight ratio.

 

How are you going to tell people not to race thier own cars on a car enthusiast/performace forum?

 

TSX has the same type of i-VTEC rocker as the Type-S which is 3 rocker ... in other words it's i-VTEC-H, not the same bunch as the rest new Hondas~ which r the 2 rocker SiR/Accord/RSX base ... etc ~
the block on TSX and type-S r some wut the same which is basically for high out put ~ why XRS is faster is all cuz the weight .. nthing abt the engine .. ~

 

Yes, I agree. From my impressions of driving the TSX, it is a peppy little car with very nice low end torque. I loved driving it. I thought K24 engine (TSX) and K20 engine (type S) had different blocks and that the K20A3 engine block was in the Euro Accord Type R as opposed to the TSX with K24, but I must be wrong. I assume the TSX rev limiter can be altered to around 8000 - 8500 rpm as well by modifying the ECU. No??? I know for a fact that the Toyota 2ZZ VVTL-i engine is capable of revving up to 9000 rpm, but the rev limiter has been set at 8500 rpm to preserve the engine life. You are correct about the power to weight ratio as well.

 

I just did didnt I

 

ROFLMAO... u better learn more before u come to talk or all other craps u talk about will lose their credit.

As soon as I read "Then you have the more aggressive version of i-vtec, which is found in Acura RSX Type S K20A engine, Honda S2000.", bye bye to ur reply, b/c I think u are such a fool that does not even know S2000 use old engine design... is is not K series. no i-vtec. And... andy is right, K24A (yes, TSX uses K24, not K20) is a 3-staged vtec engine.

 

i believe it has the capacity to rev to around 8500rpm .. with every A2 version of the new i-VTEC engine ~ K24A2 is TSX where K24A3 is for Euro Accord Type-S and acutally TSX gets 10 more hp than the A3 ...
however .... high rev doesn't always means better performance .. ~ the peak number might looks sweet but u might alrdy lose b4 u get to the redline ~
less weight gets u to the redline sooner .. that's all abt it ~

 

does this mean the K24A2 has very little tuning potential?
is it possible to utilize any of the 05 RSX-S parts(assuming if any will give gains)?

 

Relax

He wasn't talking or "all other craps" to anyone.

 

???

:wtf: :imwithstupid:

 

You have all the freedom to diss my posting and not agree with me. Why do you have to be a j*rk about it when I have disrespected no one? I went on to great lengths in my post to say that I love the TSX and that two of my friend's bought TSX upon my recommendation. I only wanted to give some info on the Toyota's 2ZZ GE engine for people who seemingly wanted to know about it. I personally have nothing to gain from this. As for the K20A engine, I associated it with the RSX Type S not the S2000, but I did associate the i-VTEC with S2000, which I was wrong about. Read my 2nd posting above and I wrote that TSX uses the K24 engine and there is a Euro Accord R, which uses the K20 engine.


"Then you have the more aggressive version of i-vtec, which is found in Acura RSX Type S K20A engine, Honda S2000"

 

Isn't there a Euro Accord R as well ??? Anyway, as for getting to the redline during a race, that is why the first gear is very short. As soon as you gun the gas in 1st gear, the engine hits 8400 rpm before you are 3 seconds in. Once you hit the redline, then you stay in lift for rest of the time and drop to 6100 - 6300 rpm during shifts. So potential for losing off the line is great, but you can easily recover once you hit lift and shift smart.

 

lol, don't get me wrong. I don't hate u or ur car. I am saying u lose ur credibility right away when those mistakes were spotted in such a short read. (and I did not bother to read on, b/c I don't know if u know about the corolla engine that well too)

 

Oh trust me, I know my Toyotas really well Besides, the facts I stated were very simple and basic that do not need a car wiz to understand those. I have read a lot of documentation about the 2ZZ GE VVTL-i engine. Although, I made mistakes in stating the Honda facts, which I apologized about. If you want more technical details about the engine, here is a good start (it talks about the Lotus Elise 2ZZ as well):


http://www.sandsmuseum.com/cars/elis...ne/toyota.html

 

Quit nit-picking the guy's posts. He explained the differences between the VTEC system and VVT-i. Who cares if he mixed up a car or two?

You are talking about credibility and you have <10 posts.

 

No worries Steve. He does not hate me so it is all good. Although, VVT-i and VVTL-i are two different technologies just like VTEC and i-VTEC are.

VVT- i variable valve timing with intelligence ( only variable valve timing, which involves variation of the valve overlap in order to optimize the low end torque and high rpm power. Standard on all Toyota models).

VVTL-i ( In addition to variable valve timing, this technology includes a high profile cam lift for both the intake and exhaust cam just like the i-VTEC especially in RSX Type S).

Here is some info on the new i-VTEC i technology that gives 35 mpg from a 2.0L engine. Truly revolutionary that you Honda owners can be proud of:

http://world.honda.com/HDTV/news/2003-4031127a/

 

hehe i don't even know what a corolla XRS is.

does XRS = xtra really slow?

is TSX = too slow xtreme?





well, congrats to the corolla. i'd be surprised if i lost to one too.

 

It's a Corolla w/ 170HP, a 6MT, and a 8500RPM redline. Prepare to be surprised....