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Old Jun 30, 2007 | 01:42 AM
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AT tranny shifting

Maybe because its Friday or I never noticed, but it seems as my AT tranny is staying in higher gears than normal. Normally when I leave my parking lot at work the I always come to a complete stop and turn out of the lot. The car doesnt seem to be down shifting as easily as it used to, and stays in second gear as I take off from almost a dead stop. I also noticed when I was at a cruising speed of 45 mph I hit the gas and the car acted like it didnt want to budge out of 5th gear; I actually had to switch over to manual shift to get the car to respond. Anyway, maybe this is in my head or the car is liking to stay in higher gears lately. I had a full tranny flush at the honda dealership about 3k ago in which I watched them use 12 qts during the process.
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Old Jun 30, 2007 | 10:41 AM
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The only time when i had my tranny not shifting at stayed at 4000rpm@3rd is when i was driving up the on a highway going up to a mountain. At first i though my tranny broke or something, but i noticed that it will do the same thing everytime i drove there because of the thin air 1500ft above sea level. That's like the only problem i had, i am not sure about ur rpoblem but hope this help.
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Old Jul 3, 2007 | 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by darcheeseTSX04
Maybe because its Friday or I never noticed, but it seems as my AT tranny is staying in higher gears than normal. Normally when I leave my parking lot at work the I always come to a complete stop and turn out of the lot. The car doesnt seem to be down shifting as easily as it used to, and stays in second gear as I take off from almost a dead stop. I also noticed when I was at a cruising speed of 45 mph I hit the gas and the car acted like it didnt want to budge out of 5th gear; I actually had to switch over to manual shift to get the car to respond. Anyway, maybe this is in my head or the car is liking to stay in higher gears lately. I had a full tranny flush at the honda dealership about 3k ago in which I watched them use 12 qts during the process.
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Old Jul 3, 2007 | 03:04 PM
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The only time when i had my tranny not shifting at stayed at 4000rpm@3rd is when i was driving up the on a highway going up to a mountain. At first i though my tranny broke or something, but i noticed that it will do the same thing everytime i drove there because of the thin air 1500ft above sea level. That's like the only problem i had, i am not sure about ur rpoblem but hope this help.
In fact, this is not a "problem" at all - the car is designed to do it. It's called Grade Logic Control (or something like that)...it senses hills and will stay in a lower gear longer for more torque and pull up the hill. This usually means around 3-4K rpm range. I notice the same thing. As for the original post - my 5AT is very "dull" downshifting out of 5th (top) gear. Not sure why, just a small negative point from this car. Certainly the + outnumber the - (10:1 maybe) so I'll live with it Hope this helps. Cheers
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Old Jul 4, 2007 | 11:28 PM
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mine doesnt do that, but i hate this tsx transmission. its not smooth at all. 1 to 2 feels rough, and it always goes back to first gear when im rolling slowly, then when i apply gas, it goes into two and it suddenly pulls me back. and there is sooooo much activity going on when your not applying gas. i notice my rpm needle is always jumping around.
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Old Jul 5, 2007 | 10:53 AM
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mine doesnt do that, but i hate this tsx transmission. its not smooth at all. 1 to 2 feels rough, and it always goes back to first gear when im rolling slowly, then when i apply gas, it goes into two and it suddenly pulls me back. and there is sooooo much activity going on when your not applying gas. i notice my rpm needle is always jumping around.
I have experienced none of these issues with my AT.
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Old Jul 5, 2007 | 11:30 AM
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Now that I have been driving the car and its not Friday 3 am the car seems to be just fine, but I do agree coming out of 5th gear can be dull at times.
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Old Jul 5, 2007 | 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by jlukja
I have experienced none of these issues with my AT.
i assume you have a 04 05 tsx? is it exactly the same as 06?
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Old Jul 5, 2007 | 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by jlukja
I have experienced none of these issues with my AT.
to clarify what i mean by pull me back in second gear is that it suddenly makes a whole lot of power when i add gas.
i assume you have a 04 05 tsx? is it exactly the same as 06?
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Old Jul 5, 2007 | 12:29 PM
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mine is 04. I believe the transmission is the same at 05/06/07, I've seen nothing that would lead me to believe otherwise.
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Old Jul 5, 2007 | 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by ck123
mine doesnt do that, but i hate this tsx transmission. its not smooth at all. 1 to 2 feels rough, and it always goes back to first gear when im rolling slowly, then when i apply gas, it goes into two and it suddenly pulls me back. and there is sooooo much activity going on when your not applying gas. i notice my rpm needle is always jumping around.
i haven't seen any of these issues. i have an '06 5AT. i use SS mode exclusively.

i only notice a rough 1->2 gear in SS mode if you don't match the RPM perfectly (like it does in D mode).

in addition, the car hardly ever downshifts to 1st for me, i only notice it when i come to a complete stop. whenever i do rolling stops i'm still in 3rd gear.
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Old Jul 5, 2007 | 06:41 PM
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i haven't seen any of these issues. i have an '06 5AT. i use SS mode exclusively.

i only notice a rough 1->2 gear in SS mode if you don't match the RPM perfectly (like it does in D mode).

in addition, the car hardly ever downshifts to 1st for me, i only notice it when i come to a complete stop. whenever i do rolling stops i'm still in 3rd gear.
whoops sorry everyone, i mean to say 3rd......works killing me. 1st gear would make even more power. so when im rolling, it stays in third, then when i apply gas, a second later it suddenly changes to 2nd and then theres a strong pull which makes me thrust back. next time you drive your tsx, look at the rpms when you let your foot off the gas and coming to a stop. soooo much activity going on. i wish these trannies were designed like the older civics, those were sooooo smooth and smart! it downshifts as speed drops to a certain speed.
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Old Jul 5, 2007 | 06:51 PM
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Just drive in SS mode then. I think it only shifts by itself to certain things like 5th to 4th in certain conditions
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Old Jul 5, 2007 | 08:48 PM
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whoops sorry everyone, i mean to say 3rd......works killing me. 1st gear would make even more power. so when im rolling, it stays in third, then when i apply gas, a second later it suddenly changes to 2nd and then theres a strong pull which makes me thrust back. next time you drive your tsx, look at the rpms when you let your foot off the gas and coming to a stop. soooo much activity going on. i wish these trannies were designed like the older civics, those were sooooo smooth and smart! it downshifts as speed drops to a certain speed.
Yup, I see the same in mine, and I know exactly what you're talking about. Never drove a car that had anything like this in my life. Only excuse to have "soooo much activity" regarding the tranny I can think of is to assist engine breaking . Good or bad...I'm sorta used to it by now. If you want to counter this - try never fully letting off the accelerator. Instead, leave just the slightest amount of pressure on the pedal and the engine will not initialize engine braking. I have done this many times with success, but it does take some practice.
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Old Jul 5, 2007 | 10:48 PM
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I suggest you do a complete search on this subject. You will find that in fact the AT tranny in the TSX is not only very smart but also very adaptive. So much so that it may be "getting ahead" of what it thinks you are doing or want to do. Before I really started driving it I educated myself (so I could understand its design) as to how it's constructed and how all the "brains" work in concert. Even then it took me 6 months+ and then some to truly get a feel for how I'm suppose to drive the whole system and get the results that I'm looking for. The only insurmountable problem left is the occasional notorious hesitation on punching the gas. That I believe can only be addressed (I hope) with the Hondata reflash.

Point to remember; you are "in effect" driving a manual transmission that doesn't have a clutch. This is very evident when you are in down-shifting situations (non-SS mode), whether induced by the car or by you. I for one really enjoy how it works and now feel very much in tuned with how it works. No complaints here. I suggest you do a complete search on this subject. You will find that in fact the AT tranny in the TSX is not only very smart but also very adaptive. So much so that it may be "getting ahead" of what it thinks you are doing or want to do. Before I really started driving it I educated myself (so I could understand its design) as to how it's constructed and how all the "brains" work in concert. Even then it took me 6 months+ and then some to truly get a feel for how I'm suppose to drive the whole system and get the results that I'm looking for. The only insurmountable problem left is the occasional notorious hesitation on punching the gas. That I believe can only be addressed (I hope) with the Hondata reflash.

Point to remember; you are "in effect" driving a manual transmission that doesn't have a clutch. This is very evident when you are in down-shifting situations (non-SS mode), whether induced by the car or by you. I for one really enjoy how it works and now feel very much in tuned with how it works. No complaints here.
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Old Jul 6, 2007 | 01:24 PM
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jesus man, you got a stutter?

"The only insurmountable problem left is the occasional notorious hesitation on punching the gas."

that's drive by wire right there..
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