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Old 08-16-2005, 01:45 PM
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Toda Exhaust Manifold

I emailed toda to see what, if any, products they had comming down the line. This is their response:

Hello,
Thank you for your e-mail and interest in TODA Racing. Some testing of our K20A products in the TSX have been performed. A prototype TSX exhaust manifold exists, but it's unknown at this point if it will go into production. The cost of the exhaust manifold will be near $1,200, and we're not sure if there's a market for a TSX exhaust manifold at that price.

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My thinking is that this must be the prototype exhaust manifold that Hondata tested in their TSX article here.

Although $1200 is a lot for headers, it is similarly priced with other toda headers ($1295 for RSX-S, $1550 S2000). You pay for quality, performance, and fitment. In fact, Hondata said that these headers are
...the best made and best performing headers we have tested on the TSX to date. The quality is superb.
I suggest that anyone who is serious about getting these headers contact toda. Hopefully if enough people contact them, they will produce the part. Their email is toda@todaracing.com
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1200 is alot. toda race header and kpro would be a bad ass combo.

i would pay the extra nickel for a quality product.

just gander at my mod list.
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would love to see dyno of toda headers with hondata reflash and cai....
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More info on TODA headers

Hello Jason,

Thank you for your e-mail and interest in TODA Racing. There are no plans at this time to develop TSX specific engine parts. Hondata has tested a prototype TODA TSX exhaust manifold with great success. At this time we're still investigating the possibility of putting this exhaust manifold into series production.

If you and your forum members are interested, we can run a small production batch of the TSX exhaust manifold that Hondata used in their testing. We would need a minimum of 10 confirmed buyers, and delivery time would be approximately 3 months as these would be hand built in Japan. The price would be $1,200, plus shipping. Please note that all orders would need to be placed with us directly. As this is a small custom batch, orders cannot be placed through our dealers. We need a minimum of 10 pre-paid orders.

Please let me know if you have any questions.

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Ali R. Jahed
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just spoke with Ali, he did state the headers would come with the test pipe, this is the exact setup Hondata used....
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Someone shoudl ask if they have a dyno they could provide to help convince members they are worth the price.
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I'd be curious of a comparion between DC / Comptech / Toda.

Haven't heard any complaints about the Comptech (except for price). Would the Toda's really be that much better?
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I believe Toda/DC had better gains in performance than Comptech??

As far as DC goes, didn't members have issues with the quality of the welds? has this been resolved by DC??
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i dont remember seeing hondata using toda headers with the reflash. only the kpro.

but damn, my mouth is already watering.

so who had dibs on my comptech header?
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Originally Posted by TinkySD
Someone shoudl ask if they have a dyno they could provide to help convince members they are worth the price.
just sent email to Ali requesting a Dyno of the toda header setup on a stock tsx...let's see if they can make it happen..
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Originally Posted by dzuy
i dont remember seeing hondata using toda headers with the reflash. only the kpro.

but damn, my mouth is already watering.

so who had dibs on my comptech header?
go get your type-r
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hmmm jdm header!!! MADE IN JAPAN me like!!!
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Originally Posted by jmathew34
just sent email to Ali requesting a Dyno of the toda header setup on a stock tsx...let's see if they can make it happen..
how about toda header with reflash?

that would be more beneficial with a race header.
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Originally Posted by jmathew34
go get your type-r
if i got the tyoe r, i would have had toda headers by now.

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Originally Posted by CCColtsicehockey
hmmm jdm header!!! MADE IN JAPAN me like!!!


you dont buy toda headers b/c they are jdm, you buy them b/c they make a difference.
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Originally Posted by dzuy


you dont buy toda headers b/c they are jdm, you buy them b/c they make a difference.
that too but all headers make some difference but i have not bought one yet cause there are no jdm ones. that header would make a lot of show points being so rare and made custom order. I will be getting one of those definitly.
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HMMMM Toda........ SOOOOOOOO tempting
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well if 9 of you are interested in purchasing this, let me know...TODA needs payment in advance + shipping($25-30)
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Originally Posted by CCColtsicehockey
that too but all headers make some difference but i have not bought one yet cause there are no jdm ones. that header would make a lot of show points being so rare and made custom order. I will be getting one of those definitly.
x 2.

well i guess we all have our reasons why we want things.

i want it so i can have some higher performance.

you want it so you can get more points at the show.

well, we still need a kpro or else we'll be seeing CEL all day long.

i'm in if there is a clean solution.
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who's in?

dzuy = tentatively in.
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Keep in mind the test pipe won't work with the TSX exhaust system, not to mention the secondary O2 sensor issue.

Quote from Hondata:
I suspect the test pipe was designed to replace a Japanese catalytic converter, as there was no way a US Catalytic converter would fit.
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^^^ That's as sexy as a header can get.

Those welds are a thing of beauty.
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Originally Posted by JTso
Keep in mind the test pipe won't work with the TSX exhaust system, not to mention the secondary O2 sensor issue.
Yeah but it shouldn't be that difficult or expensive to have a high flow cat made for those dimensions, unless the header is so long that it prevents that. Right? Or is it a given thing that the runners are so long, no cat will fit?

Originally Posted by dzuy
who's in?

dzuy = tentatively in.
Me. That makes three of us.
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I want one.
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Who needs a cat? Just run a straight pipe.
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I still like the maxim works header..

but i like the toda one too .. can't afford either. o well
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Yeah but it shouldn't be that difficult or expensive to have a high flow cat made for those dimensions, unless the header is so long that it prevents that. Right? Or is it a given thing that the runners are so long, no cat will fit?
The stock cat wouldn't fit due to the different exhaust flange style. TSX uses a "flat" flange with an O-ring seal, whereas the Toda uses a donut type seal. A custom cat with the proper length and dia. would be necessary to join the two together. It shouldn't be hard for an exhaust shop to create one. In fact, it would be a lot easier to expand the mouth of an exhaust pipe to seal with the donut gasket than to make a flat TSX flange.
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Originally Posted by BlackTSXer
I still like the maxim works header..

but i like the toda one too .. can't afford either. o well
Is that header for our car or the euro r k20
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That's more of a race header with the long runners instead of a cat. Looks good though.
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Originally Posted by JTso
The stock cat wouldn't fit due to the different exhaust flange style. TSX uses a "flat" flange with an O-ring seal, whereas the Toda uses a donut type seal. A custom cat with the proper length and dia. would be necessary to join the two together. It shouldn't be hard for an exhaust shop to create one. In fact, it would be a lot easier to expand the mouth of an exhaust pipe to seal with the donut gasket than to make a flat TSX flange.

I think we have about 5 out of the 10 people so far to make this a reality. I spoke with board member, cl7tsx, today and he has some great info about a custom high flow cat application to go along with the Toda headers..we will be pursing this and hopefully will have more information in the coming days/weeks to come. Will be in contact with Hondata/Toda/Random Technologies and will keep all of you informed as to any progress....

wish me luck!
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OMG>..... that so delicious.....and sounds like a one time deal.....

too bad it's SOOOO $$$$$$$ for a header.....
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Originally Posted by Benz_05_TSX
OMG>..... that so delicious.....and sounds like a one time deal.....

too bad it's SOOOO $$$$$$$ for a header.....
I am hoping that it takes them about 2 months to get 5 people so i can get the money otherwise I am not in.
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i agree, money is tight right now. You know they should lover to price, since this seems like a group buy!!!! i think 1000 is a good price!!!!!!!!
anyone agree
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Originally Posted by hondatypes
i agree, money is tight right now. You know they should lover to price, since this seems like a group buy!!!! i think 1000 is a good price!!!!!!!!
anyone agree
i think that would still be better and they would still make a killing off it.
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It's a one-off order of 12 pieces! I don't think you guys are in any position to haggle.

Keep in mind, I've dropped like $3g's just making shift knob prototypes... I can't imagine what a custom header would cost to develop, especially from a company like Toda.
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You cannot realistically expect a bargain price for something produced in a limited run. Group buys are great for something that can be had at a volume discount, but this would not be one of those things.

If this happens we will be paying for TODA to take their production line offline, retool everything for the header, run them, then retool for something else. Each retooling process costs TODA money because it is a period when the line is not producing any output.

EDIT: Dammit Dan!
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Originally Posted by BlackTSXer
I still like the maxim works header..

but i like the toda one too .. can't afford either. o well
Holy shit, that is nice, more info would be awesome.
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Originally Posted by Dan Martin
Keep in mind, I've dropped like $3g's just making shift knob prototypes...
speaking of which...




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Has anyone looked into hytech (sp?) or SMS? I know they put out some nice headers for the TypeR when I had mine. They were on par with the Today headers as far as power gains but were slightly cheaper. Maybe I'll go try and find some information for them.

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Originally Posted by TSX.Fury
speaking of which...




i'll sell you my shift knob for 1k

on a serious note - so will the toda header fit my comptech exhuast?

doesn't the toda header bypass the cat and bolt up directly to the exhuast??


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