Benz_05_TSX

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^ same here....only if we can do a easy tranny swap like those civics and preludes....why are our cars so complicated??

S14 n Tsx

wrong move pal.... If this does happen, maybe you can trade in for MT?

S14 n Tsx

Because of us?? no one wants simple car now days..it gotta have this and that...blah blah!!

Red_TSX

with 10000%. Would we be able to do a tranny swap? Because I would do it in a heart beat.

TSX420J

Someone on this forum is in the process of that this very moment. I just dont know about the ecu though.

jwood_06TSX

That is exactly what i was wondering....

This place is only about 2 hours from my house, def looks like i will have to try and make a stop up there!! That is just too much power to let slip on by without looking into!!!!!

Tsx536

I just wanted to clear things up since it seemed like people were getting wheel horsepower and brake horsepower mixed. There is a difference of about 12% between the two.

Here's a better breakdown:
Comptech 6MT Manual base SC kit on the 2004 TSX puts down 244 whp (Sho-one's dyno) and you can probably get it for about $3,800 or so.

The Redshift Motorsports Base kit will put down an estimated 246 whp (280 bhp x .88) and you should be able at about 3,900 retail or hopefully cheaper.

Those two kits are priced about the same.


It's the Intercooled system that is going to be a great bang for the buck:
The intercooled system will be putting down 326 whp (370 bhp x .88) and you can get that for $4,900 or hopefully cheaper.
This sounds like a great system and will hopefully produce the most powerful TSX that we've seen yet. I hoping I'll be able to somehow fit the intercooler on my SC kit now. I doubt it, but hey you never know

Red_TSX

So there is hope!! That would be sweet. And why is the intercooler one so much more?

Tsx536

Yeah, DrkAngel is doing the swap. He posted pics of it in another thread but he said he will be doing a writeup soon.

The intercooler kit will probably also include extras besides the intercooler. You will probably get Intercooler, hi boost pulley, hi flow fuel injectors, new map or additional engine management, and all necessary fittings/pipes. This is just a guess, but those are some of the things you'll need in order to make 325 whp. It's not all that bad considering everything you should be getting.

PACman

Are we looking into a built up tranny to handle 325hp? And LSD?

Reach

Is there even the possibility that the stock AT could handle that much with just bolt ons?

Tsx536

Yeah, I would definitely build it up. At 245 whp you'll probably be okay. But you start getting over 300 whp then that's when I would start to worry about it. That's the only thing about going with a lot of extra power. It's a chain reaction, and can be very expensive.


Well the AT will put down less power because of the transmisison, but I'm guessing it would put out about 300 whp with the Intercooled kit. I'm not sure if the stock AT tranny can handle that, maybe someone else can comment.

simplyscion

well, nobody will know what the limits are if nobody has reached those hp levels...what other vehicles in the Honda world share the same tranny code as the TSX? What kinds of numbers are those people putting down and where is the tranny's breaking points on those cars. ESK and valvebody upgrades will be something that auto people should look into after finding out those limitations.

Redshiftmotorsports

I know tuning was a big question here is your answer.

We have secured perfection in engine management through a joint effort with HONDATA; so we are pleased to announce that engine management will be handled completely with a Hondata reflash

moda_way

Hondata wins again. Amazing.

Dan Martin

rza49311

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Redshiftmotorsports

They do know what they are doing So we feel this is the best option and really the only Excellent option, and whos wants an ok kit when we can make an excellent kit.

Black_6spd

Sorry for my ignorance (I don't follow FI at all), but who is making the intercooled system?

At 300+ hp, I wonder if folks will have to start building their blocks. Then again, some hybrid folks have been using the K24A2 block for sometime now w/ stock rods & w/o sleeving.

jwood_06TSX

SIGN ME UP PLEASE!!!!!....i will save money just for this baby....i was already saving for the reflash!!

Redshiftmotorsports

300 hp will be fine with the stock rods and pistons I wouldn't have a motor if that weren't true

EuRTSX

Sweeeeeeet..

PixelHarmony

HKS Engineering on the Dazz TSX

After extensive research and development and the requisite fine tuning, this TSX was able to throw down more than 350 hp on its initial dyno runs. Ortega believes more power is very possible once they're able to get a new clutch made for the car, since the factory assembly was really struggling to hold the power.

I guess out car will be fine at 350+

PixelHarmony

Redshiftmotorsports

They also dumped the returnless fuel system. Which probably made tuning easier for them. I can imagine install is more difficult

stage5tsx

Red shift, will there be any possible way to get this kit into canada?? i'm from vancouver bc, canada. Will you have dealers here (canada) thks

Redshiftmotorsports

I am sure we can ship you a kit.

CCColtsicehockey

Sweet I will have to stop by your shop sometime this fall to check things out. I might stop by in about two weeks since I will be on break and my car is back from the shop.

CarbonGray Earl

I guess this means 05 5at is again!!

Oh well...

moda_way

Unfortunately, I think you are right.

Tsx536

Does Hondata have the ability to make the ECU add fuel under boost conditions?
If I remember correctly this was one of the obstacles before.

CarbonGray Earl

I think its a fact of life we 05 5at's going to have to live with...but it is really good to see some market support finally start to develop for the TSX.

PACman

Is there a 10% discount if we purchase this soon to be S/C kit now?

rmpage

Excellent! I'm glad to see you guys are doing this the right way. As Hondata says, nothing runs a Honda engine like a Honda ECU. They actually take the time to reverse-engineer some of the things the ECU does, unlike the piggyback options that have proven to be universally troublesome with our engines.

Good luck with your development!

Black_6spd

The way I see it, if you're already paying a bunch of $$$ to get an SC setup, might as well just buy a 5AT ECU off an 04 owner. If I was in that situation, I'd put up a WTB ad in the black market section.

Then again, if you're talking only reflash + bolt ons, not worth it IMO. If you're doing the SC setup, it will be a completely different car with more potential with bigger injectors, intercooler, etc.

Or who knows? There just might be an 04 5AT owner who want to part their car out? You could just swap ECU's for near the retail price.

Redshiftmotorsports

Well we First need a volunteer to test with an auto so....Who is down??

CCColtsicehockey

I am down and only live 2 hours away. When do you need that car? I am planning on coming up to check out the shop sometime in the next two weeks if you guys dont mind anyways. Would there be any deal for the person that donates there car for the test. You can have it for a while cause I just need it back in february for one weekend for a show and then not until may again.

RedShiftChris

btw, just to clarify a thing or 2..... our understanding from Doug at Hondata is that they are working hard on the TSX ecu so we can do a RedShift/Hondata reflash on it too. The 06 Civic Si is already completely understood by them and we'll be able to do tuning under boost. But Doug is working on his TSX (he drives one as his personal vehicle apparently) at a feverish rate so it should be reflash-able to our expectations....but apparently it's not quite far enough along for what we need. I'm hoping Hondata will have it ironed out soon ...that would make things much easier for everyone... manual and auto trans owner alike.

We are taking the longevity and driveability of these RedShift Superchargers very seriously.... it's just as important as overall power. There is no happiness in big power at the expense of a driveability and/or engine longevity.

The 10% discount applies for all pre-orders. The 06 Civic Si discount period is almost over, and the TSX kit will follow shortly. Also, we've had alot of interest in other kits and I've told a few people that if we get preorders for specific systems, then we'll do the development of those specific things first.

And we have a question for people...but I'll start a new post for that.

Thanks to everyone for all your support in these systems..... I really believe they are going to be fantastic for you.

Cheers all,
Chris at RedShift

RedShiftChris

Hi to all TSX owners,

One question we have for all you is about what power levels to offer for TSX owners...and other applications as well. We've just been promoting "base" and "intercooled" kits , but I think there may be value in stages or the like based on several requests for different things we've gotten. Our thought is the following...and remember that each kit is upgradeable to any level above it.

Stage 1) 5 PSI Base Kit - 260 bhp - $3900
Stage 2) 9 PSI Intercooled Kit - 310 bhp - $4400
Stage 3) 12 PSI Intercooled Kit - 370 bhp - $4900 (would require upgraded clutch add $900 for parts and labor)
Stage 4) 16-22 PSI Intercooled Race Kits - 420-500 bhp - $5400 includes headgasket for 9:1 compression and arp head stud replacement. (would require upgraded clutch add $900 for parts and labor. upgraded pistons and rods required for anything over 16 psi most likely.)

....btw 16 psi or more is very doable with just lowering the compression with a thicker headgasket.... without building the bottom of the engine, but you'll need to upgrade the clutch obviously. Trans durability is a question mark too.

So, knowing this, what would you actually do??? I know everyone wants the most power they think is reasonable for their needs, but based on price and power, which one would you actually purchase. And keep in mind that the 450 bhp system would be almost dangerous and would be only for highly modified street cars, show cars, or track cars.

And I can see the questions flowing in already....this is not about getting specific.... just knowing what you see above, what kit would be your choice? The answers will help us understand TSX owners.

Cheers to all!
Chris at RedShift

Knox

If Red Shit is as good as they say they are then they'll make the AT setup work for you guys. The only question is, can the AT or even the MT handle that much power? I would bet there will have to be some kind of reinforcement.