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Old Sep 4, 2006 | 07:19 AM
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Now that would explain why i couldn't find it... I guess the only solution is to redirect the power steering hose. Another problem might be the hardlines to the left of the strut tower.. they seem different on the CL7
i dont think they should be a problem the way that the bracket mounts. however it still has me being cautious about ordering the j's dampener. I am not going to order one atleast till I talk to a couple of my buddies about rerouting the power steering hose.
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Old Sep 4, 2006 | 08:04 AM
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i dont think they should be a problem the way that the bracket mounts. however it still has me being cautious about ordering the j's dampener. I am not going to order one atleast till I talk to a couple of my buddies about rerouting the power steering hose.
ok, hopefully not, the strut tower bracket does extend out past the hardlines quite a bit so hopefully there wont be clearance issues, the j's racing etd does mount on the lower side of the bracket though so it could be a matter of mm.

Im asking a friend about redirecting mine atm aswell... ill let you know what he says.
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Old Sep 4, 2006 | 10:09 AM
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ok, hopefully not, the strut tower bracket does extend out past the hardlines quite a bit so hopefully there wont be clearance issues, the j's racing etd does mount on the lower side of the bracket though so it could be a matter of mm.

Im asking a friend about redirecting mine atm aswell... ill let you know what he says.
hopefully we can come up with a solution before this winter so I can actually do it while I am home over break.
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Old Sep 4, 2006 | 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Chris_F
Now that would explain why i couldn't find it... I guess the only solution is to redirect the power steering hose. Another problem might be the hardlines to the left of the strut tower.. they seem different on the CL7
Which hardlines? RHD CL9 seems to have similar A/C lines to the CL7. I'd be more worried about the TSX differences.

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Old Sep 4, 2006 | 09:02 PM
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Not the AC lines, I believe they are the brake hardlines? The 6 black ones inbetween the AC lines and the PS hose
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Old Sep 4, 2006 | 09:08 PM
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If the engine mount bracket is tall enough, the ETD should clear all the brake lines.
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Old Sep 4, 2006 | 09:31 PM
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Here are some links to hoses and fittings info if you want to make your own PS line. Make sure to use the high pressure PS hose.

Btw, if you are using SS lines, no need to hide them. Just route it over the valve cover to clear the CL7 ETD.

http://www.bakerprecision.com/hose.htm

http://www.aeroquip.com/pages/prodinfo.html
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Old Sep 4, 2006 | 10:45 PM
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Originally Posted by JTso
Here are some links to hoses and fittings info if you want to make your own PS line. Make sure to use the high pressure PS hose.

Btw, if you are using SS lines, no need to hide them. Just route it over the valve cover to clear the CL7 ETD.

http://www.bakerprecision.com/hose.htm

http://www.aeroquip.com/pages/prodinfo.html
I still would like to hide it just cause it would look better not seeing it over the valve cover.

Also what other hoses can I replace with that stuff. add a nice touch to the engine bay.
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Old Sep 5, 2006 | 01:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Chris_F
Not the AC lines, I believe they are the brake hardlines? The 6 black ones inbetween the AC lines and the PS hose
Ah, the brake abs lines.
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Old Sep 5, 2006 | 03:39 AM
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yep, that's them (was second guessing myself).

It'd look nice and neat re-routed somewhere else that wasn't visible or at least not over the valve cover.

Thanks for those links aswell JTso, now i know what to look for.
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Old Sep 5, 2006 | 07:55 PM
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Another update

Okay, a member sent me a link to a fabrication shop in CA that can make the brackets (thanks Spoon!). The initial quote is not bad for each piece. However, the minimum order is 200 per piece. I still need to send in the sample pieces before any pricing can be finalized. Since they form the bracket as one single piece, they can't do the supporting brace for the engine mount bracket. Instead, they can form ridges during the bending process to provide additional support. Can't tell if that will hold up or not at this point. They can also form the shock tower bracket (with bends if necessary) as a single piece.

Now, it's time to find out who really wants these brackets. If there isn't enough interest, it wouldn't be worthwhile to go through with it. I don't want to spend the money and sit on 200 sets.

Here is what I will do as an alternative for the DIY people. If we don't do the minimum order, I can post the dimensions of the pieces. You go knock yourself out and have fun building your own set. Consider this is my way of giving back to the community.

I will be going back to school soon this month so my limited free time will be even more limited. I would like to work on other projects with any available time if possible. So let me know what you guys think.

These are the metal pieces that I've been cutting and drilling during the last few weeks. I think enough time has been spent on this project, but the result is worth it!

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Old Sep 5, 2006 | 09:21 PM
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200 pieces! I wonder if we'll get that much demand. In this whole thread, only 50 people posted in it. I still want one though. Even a JTso prototype would be great
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Old Sep 5, 2006 | 09:56 PM
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200 pieces! I wonder if we'll get that much demand. In this whole thread, only 50 people posted in it. I still want one though. Even a JTso prototype would be great
I figure we could probably grab like 15 - 20 more from the ozhonda site however i dont think we will even make 100.
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Old Sep 6, 2006 | 07:23 AM
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I do think having 200 firm buyers is a bit unlikely... but you know I have a friend with a car parts business that might be interested in picking up more than one for resale. It could be an idea to ask similar businesses if they'd like to take order of your etd brackets for resale with a damper as a complete package. Maybe Mr. Heeltoe would be interested aswell. It'll be easier to reach the 200 that way.
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Old Sep 6, 2006 | 07:43 AM
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I might be able to help out with some too. I won't be able to give you a definite nor will probably anyone else until there is a price though.
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Old Sep 6, 2006 | 07:50 AM
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Sorry for the double post....I passed my 5 minutes to edit:

*another question*Why are they going to bend them? Isn't there anyone that has a connection to a CNC machine? You could have them machined exactly like you wanted them as one solid piece with no bends to avoid possible weakness.

What do they mean they can put "ridges" in when bending?
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Old Sep 6, 2006 | 08:20 AM
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i think a bracket made with a CNC machine to the exact specifications Jtso has come up with would be great, but it'd blow the price out of the water I'd think.
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Old Sep 6, 2006 | 08:26 AM
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does the ETD makes any significant improvement? Since it will increase cabin vibration hopefully it does something quite significant.
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Old Sep 6, 2006 | 08:55 AM
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read through the thread mate, the benifits have been mentioned a number of times
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Old Sep 6, 2006 | 09:02 AM
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read through the thread mate, the benifits have been mentioned a number of times
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The ETD and some motor mounts would be awesome. However since motor mounts ain't going to happen this will have to do
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Old Sep 6, 2006 | 11:40 AM
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JTso --- PM'd you
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Old Sep 7, 2006 | 05:19 PM
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Here is a file that has the bracket dimensions. The thickness is 1/4". Have fun.

Bracket dimensions
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Old Sep 7, 2006 | 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by JTso
Here is a file that has the bracket dimensions. The thickness is 1/4". Have fun.

Bracket dimensions
Wow dude... that's incredibly kind of you. As I said in my PM, if you ever want these mass produced on any scale, I can hook you up.

Just for clarification, this is for what strut bars? All?
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Old Sep 7, 2006 | 07:27 PM
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Edit: Are you missing a measurement on there? The plate w/ the two 31/64" holes does not have one of the measurements (It has the measurements for the "long" side but not the "short" side, in locating the centerpoint of the holes). Am I reading this correctly?
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60 mm on each side
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Old Sep 7, 2006 | 07:43 PM
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I see what you're talking about now.


We know the total length is 92, so minus the 2 given amounts of 56 + 14 = 22 mm
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Old Sep 7, 2006 | 07:46 PM
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I see what you're talking about now.


We know the total length is 92, so minus the 2 given amounts of 56 + 14 = 22 mm
wrong dimension. Looking for the X to your Y (or vice versa).
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This value, to center the top hole, is missing right?

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Old Sep 7, 2006 | 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by curls
Wow dude... that's incredibly kind of you. As I said in my PM, if you ever want these mass produced on any scale, I can hook you up.

Just for clarification, this is for what strut bars? All?
The shock tower bracket is Cusco compatible. However, if your aftermarket front shocks have long studs, it will fit on top of the stock bar if you grind down the rib.
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Old Sep 7, 2006 | 08:34 PM
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Originally Posted by vilmar5
This value, to center the top hole, is missing right?

That would be 28mm. You can also print out the templates to test fit. I hope the scanner was 1:1...

Btw, keep in mind only the hole spacing and the 75mm portion are most important. The 75mm has to match the vertical piece. The rest of the measurement doesn't have to be exact. You will know what I mean once you test fitted the template.
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Old Sep 7, 2006 | 08:59 PM
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Thanks, JTso. Also thanks for sharing you work. It's been a very interesting read.

Also, does anyone know where I could buy the NRG engine torque damper, or similar, in Canada? I found them on eBay but they ask 40$ for shipping for a 46$ part.
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Old Sep 7, 2006 | 09:44 PM
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You're welcome. ebay is the cheapest I've seen and the NRG is a better unit.
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Originally Posted by JTso
The shock tower bracket is Cusco compatible. However, if your aftermarket front shocks have long studs, it will fit on top of the stock bar if you grind down the rib.
So not compatible w/ OEM suspension (bar and shocks)?

Might have to put this on the backburner until I find a money tree (new baby in the house = no suspension aside from the Comptech RSB for me).
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Old Sep 8, 2006 | 12:34 AM
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Wow JTso, talk about generous! Thanks a lot for these dimensions, I'm going to find out about getting the brackets made up ASAP.
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Old Sep 8, 2006 | 12:48 PM
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Just a tip to make things easier. Use the template to create a test plate out of easy-to-form material such as plastic, thin aluminum or even wood. Once you have everything in place and the correct size, transfer that to metal.
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JTso, are the drawings precise enough not to do templates? I have a customer that does metal laser cutting. I asked them and they quoted me 100$ can for cutting and welding. I think that's a fair price.
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JTso, are the drawings precise enough not to do templates? I have a customer that does metal laser cutting. I asked them and they quoted me 100$ can for cutting and welding. I think that's a fair price.
if thats the price you should see if he wants to mass produce them and off course give some profit to JTso for his awesome design.
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Old Sep 25, 2006 | 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by vilmar5
JTso, are the drawings precise enough not to do templates? I have a customer that does metal laser cutting. I asked them and they quoted me 100$ can for cutting and welding. I think that's a fair price.
The measurements are taken right off the actual working pieces, so they should be fine. The most important part is the hole spacing and size. It's always a good idea to test fit the pieces before welding to make sure the weld beads don't interfere with the mounting bolts/nuts. Making a template first will ensure a better fit. I've gone through many variations before end up with one that works better.
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Old Sep 25, 2006 | 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted by CCColtsicehockey
if thats the price you should see if he wants to mass produce them and off course give some profit to JTso for his awesome design.

Mass produce? I'm not sure how many are interested in this. Earlier in the thread it's said that it would even be hard to have 25 people interested. Also he made a price for me personally, I could ask him about doing a few. I would probably have to know how much though.
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