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Old 07-24-2007, 12:30 AM
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Hondata owners: Any complaints or problems?

Hey all,
I wanted to ask the Hondata owners if they have had any problems with it since the reflash. I am very seriously considering doing this mod as soon as opputunity comes where I can afford a few days w/o the car. I know there are many many thread on Hondata but I thought I would ask the owner, more specifically 05 MT owners, if they experienced any problems/complaints since the reflash. I hear from mechanics that playing with reflash and chips can be very harmful to the car as it overworks the engine and can cause problems down the line. This is my main concern and by know I'm hope I can get the answer from experience.
Thanks for your inputs
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Absolutely zero issues at all with the reflash. I did bung up one of the clips on the steering wheel column, so it doesn't lock together completely (1-2mm gap). Other than that, I can't believe I waited as long as I did for it.

JUST DO THIS!!
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^ +1

You can always replace the cover. I did break mine when I pulled it out.
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COMPLAINT: It makes the car way too fast. There is a perfect imprint of my back in the driver's seat. The car just rips out from underneath you unexpectedly and if it weren't for the traction control, I would be changing tires every 5000 miles. Right turns were especially dangerous, as the tourque increase flex's the frame so much the front driver's side wheel raises off the ground. I had a local machine shop custom fab a 60mm front sway bar, which just barely keeps it down.

Also, VERY IMPORTANT, if you're going to hit the gas, do it with the sunroof closed, as it helps stop the roof from twisting. If you forget, you will probably have problems getting it closed again like I did.

It's just too much power for the street. I'm looking at a few beaters right now for daily driving. I'm going to weld a steel plate in place of the sunroof and switch all the glass to lexan. This will just have to be my track car.
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No issues with my reflash. Its the best bang-for-the-buck modification you can do.
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Yea mt owners have it bettter than at so do it!
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The four mods I would definitely do over, without question, upon driving the car off the lot (in no particular order):
  • Reflash
  • Header
  • High flow cat
  • Rear sway
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I don't know why they make this car in automatic.
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ha ha im still not sure if i want to do re flash, id like to drive in an 05 MT tsx with re flash at a meet to see the speed differences...

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If i came down to the md meet i would be able to show you it.

Hey but mine is still at and peopel still got a kick out of sitting in it.
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Originally Posted by feuss2
I don't know why they make this car in automatic.
So people like me can buy one.
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Originally Posted by feuss2
I don't know why they make this car in automatic.
Where did that come from?
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The Hondata reflash is one of those very rare modifications that doesn't seem to have any negative side effect. Well, other than not being able to drive the car for a few days during the shipping process.
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Originally Posted by HoOnzABPTSX
Hey all,
I wanted to ask the Hondata owners if they have had any problems with it since the reflash. I am very seriously considering doing this mod as soon as opputunity comes where I can afford a few days w/o the car. I know there are many many thread on Hondata but I thought I would ask the owner, more specifically 05 MT owners, if they experienced any problems/complaints since the reflash. I hear from mechanics that playing with reflash and chips can be very harmful to the car as it overworks the engine and can cause problems down the line. This is my main concern and by know I'm hope I can get the answer from experience.
Thanks for your inputs
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Reflashed my 06 mt back in march of last year and have not had any issues so far. Very pleased with this mod. Fortunately I didn't have much downtime when the car was getting reflashed. Took approx. 3 hrs. at South Bay Acura.
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Originally Posted by lcrazyaznl
If i came down to the md meet i would be able to show you it.

Hey but mine is still at and peopel still got a kick out of sitting in it.
hook it up
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whats the easiest way to get the re flash (if i ever decide to do it?)
*im sure this has been covered...*

the comment was sparked by Distortion comment:

"Reflashed my 06 mt back in march of last year and have not had any issues so far. Very pleased with this mod. Fortunately I didn't have much downtime when the car was getting reflashed. Took approx. 3 hrs. at South Bay Acura"

...I didnt know you get it done at dealerships...

thanks
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Originally Posted by rabican
whats the easiest way to get the re flash (if i ever decide to do it?)
*im sure this has been covered...*

the comment was sparked by Distortion comment:

"Reflashed my 06 mt back in march of last year and have not had any issues so far. Very pleased with this mod. Fortunately I didn't have much downtime when the car was getting reflashed. Took approx. 3 hrs. at South Bay Acura"

...I didnt know you get it done at dealerships...

thanks
For the most part, you can't. Acura of Southbay is unique in that it is literally a few miles from the Hondata facility so they usually just run your car over there.

Most dealerships are not willing to do this and the only other place I know of that can do this is Epic Motoring.
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do you guys think resale is an issue? Or when its time to sell do you guys plan on just selling the ecu/immobolizer together and swapping with a stock?
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Does the reflash exempt Hondata from owners failing an emissions test? Has anybody gone through the emissions test with a Hondata reflash?
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Originally Posted by Zoopa
Does the reflash exempt Hondata from owners failing an emissions test? Has anybody gone through the emissions test with a Hondata reflash?
From the Hondata Website
Originally Posted by Hondata
Introduction

* 5000 rpm VTEC point decreased from 6000 rpm
* 7600 rpm Rev limit, increased from 7300 rpm (for auto trans must be in sportshift mode)
* Maximum torque gain 26 ft/lbs torque at 6000 rpm
* Maximum power gain 29 hp at 6000 rpm
* Peak torque increases from 169ft/lbs at 4500 rpm to 175 ft pounds at 7500 rpm
* Peak power increases from 206 hp at 7100 rpm to 210 at 6800 rpm
* Very wide flat smooth torque curve. 90% of peak torque available from 2000-7000 rpm.
* Passes Californian smog testing (no measurable difference from stock)
* Fully dealer compatible - works with all Honda scan tools and equipment

The Hondata TSX reflash is designed for use with an intake and headers. It will work very well with a stock airbox and stock headers. Testing was done with a stock cat back system.
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Originally Posted by Tsx536
Where did that come from?
Originally Posted by lcraz...l
Yea mt owners have it bettter than at so do it!
Originally Posted by feuss2
I don't know why they make this car in automatic
Slows the car down too much! 1 less gear, more weight, frees up hands so people can eat gourmet dinners requiring a fork and knife on the road, apply makeup, how many more reasons do you want?

I saw someone eating corn on the cob while driving. Their vehicle only came in AUTOMATIC
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^^ Like I haven't seen MT drivers do the same ...

Be happy with what you have, don't bash others for their choices.
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Originally Posted by jlukja
^^ Like I haven't seen MT drivers do the same ...

Be happy with what you have, don't bash others for not being able to drive stick.

OK
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Originally Posted by feuss2
ban me
OK





Actually, consider this a warning. We don't need more AT vs. MT here, that's so 2 years ago.
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Jan, you're awesome. Glad you caught that.
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Love mine since the reflash, no problems at all. 06 AT
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Was there any difference in mpg if you are driving the car in the same rpm, stock vs. hondatafied?? like on highway?
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Originally Posted by CarbonGray Earl
Jan, you're awesome. Glad you caught that.
Yeah, nice Jan. Not sure what was up with that guy. First he's bashing the reflash, then he's bashing the AT.
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Originally Posted by Zoopa
Does the reflash exempt Hondata from owners failing an emissions test? Has anybody gone through the emissions test with a Hondata reflash?
Hondata claims that there should be no noticeable difference...but at least in the states, cars don't get smogged until they are 4 or 5 years old...even the 2004 TSX isn't old enough for that yet
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Originally Posted by rabican
whats the easiest way to get the re flash (if i ever decide to do it?)
*im sure this has been covered...*

the comment was sparked by Distortion comment:

"Reflashed my 06 mt back in march of last year and have not had any issues so far. Very pleased with this mod. Fortunately I didn't have much downtime when the car was getting reflashed. Took approx. 3 hrs. at South Bay Acura"

...I didnt know you get it done at dealerships...

thanks
That dealership was (or still is?) listed as one of hondata's dealers that you can go to. However, within the last year or so, I believe they changed management and now aren't as quick to do it for you. I considered doing it there too so that there wouldn't be any possible future warranty problems...but so far I've been hearing good stuff about epic motoring
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Originally Posted by Zoopa
Does the reflash exempt Hondata from owners failing an emissions test? Has anybody gone through the emissions test with a Hondata reflash?
Our cars are still too new to require emissions testing. Most OBD2 cars (1996 +) only require a tester connected to the diagnostics port under the dash to retrieve stored codes. No stored codes = pass. If you live in an area that still uses tailpipe sniffer during emissions test, then it usually requires idle and cruising rpm testing. Since the ECU is still in closed-loop mode under such conditions, there shouldn't be any problems passing the test as long as the CAT converter is functional.
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Yeah, nice Jan. Not sure what was up with that guy. First he's bashing the reflash, then he's bashing the AT.
Maybe he was having a bad day.

Originally Posted by PWPTSX
Was there any difference in mpg if you are driving the car in the same rpm, stock vs. hondatafied?? like on highway?
None that I can tell. I've gotten my best highway mileage after the reflash.
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Yeah, nice Jan. Not sure what was up with that guy. First he's bashing the reflash, then he's bashing the AT.
I would hardly consider this a bashing of the reflash:

Originally Posted by feuss2
COMPLAINT: It makes the car way too fast. There is a perfect imprint of my back in the driver's seat. The car just rips out from underneath you unexpectedly and if it weren't for the traction control, I would be changing tires every 5000 miles. Right turns were especially dangerous, as the tourque increase flex's the frame so much the front driver's side wheel raises off the ground. I had a local machine shop custom fab a 60mm front sway bar, which just barely keeps it down.

Also, VERY IMPORTANT, if you're going to hit the gas, do it with the sunroof closed, as it helps stop the roof from twisting. If you forget, you will probably have problems getting it closed again like I did.

It's just too much power for the street. I'm looking at a few beaters right now for daily driving. I'm going to weld a steel plate in place of the sunroof and switch all the glass to lexan. This will just have to be my track car.
I guess you missed the intended humor?

Reminder of what you sign before you reflash:

This is right from http://www.hondata.com/kseriesecuinfoform.html


Buyer releases Hondata, Inc. from any liabilities (expressed or implied, arising by law or otherwise) that may occur from the use of products sold by Hondata, Inc. and purchased by Buyer. These products are being sold for "Off Road/Competition Use" only and may be used only on vehicles used solely for "Off Road/Competition". No other applications are intended or implied. The Buyer of this product acknowledges and agrees that Seller disclaims any warranty and expressly disclaims any liability for personal injury or damages or any damages to vehicle or expensed occurred. In the event a manufacturer’s warranty exists, it is agreed and stated that under no circumstances shall the seller or manufacture be liable for any labor charged or travel time incurred in diagnosis for defects, removal, or reinstallation of this product, or any contingent expenses. It is the Buyers responsibility to ensure the ECU flash program is not overwritten by anyone, including Honda, or any agent of Honda (including Honda/Acura dealers). Exceeding the factory rev cut rpm may cause engine damage, which may not be covered by any factory warranty.

Please sign and date below to acknowledge that you have been made aware of the fact that the product that you are purchasing may void your vehicle’s factory warranty and you have been advised that this product is not EPA/CARB certified and the product is for "off Road/Competition Use" only. The Buyer will not hold any liability against Hondata, Inc. and will hold Hondata, Inc. harmless from any liability as a result of selling, purchasing and/or installing product.
I think the hondata website sums it up accurately:

From http://www.hondata.com/reflash_tsx.html :

Driving Impressions

This reflash is difficult to feel because it keeps the torque delivery flat and smooth to a much higher RPM. Rather than the torque dropping 20 ft/pounds from 5000 rpm to 6000 rpm stock, the reflash keeps the torque drop to only 10 ft pounds between 5000 and 7000 rpm. VTEC transition at 5000 rpm is also very smooth with only a slight change in induction noise.
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jlukja, my appologies for changing your quoted text...
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jlukja, my appologies for changing your quoted text...
accepted

You probably didn't know I get touchy about my AT transmission. Just ask dom.
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^ i got an auto too, although i wish i hadn't
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Originally Posted by jlukja
None that I can tell. I've gotten my best highway mileage after the reflash.
Thanks, that's always my biggest worry since i drive home every week, which is a very long drive......... (200miles on highway). 400 miles round trip.....


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