JTso

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Please stay on topic or create another thread.

rex.

So are we looking at a possible K-Pro tuning sub-forum? That would be great, I'm really interested in a 2.6L stroker kit

aaronng

I'd be interested in a 2.3L destroker kit.

Varia

Why is that?

locash

Hondata thread guys, I'm guilty of dragging it off topic too, back to the topic..

Unfortunately, nothing available for the 07+ TSX's yet, confirmed today..

CGTSX07

that is very unfortunate...us 07+ guys don't even have a reflash. I think a lot of us would jump directly to a kpro if we had the chance. did u get any timeframe by any chance?

MMsTSX

yes, yes we would.

I guess there is a bright side though to this.
us 07-08'ers get to watch everyone else try out all their ideas.
we can learn from their experience and better prepare for ourselves.
full turbo kits will be available by the time they get around to the
07-08 cars.

I don't buy for one minute that the 07-08 is so different than the 06 that
hondata has massive technical difficulties with it and that's why it is taking
so long. I think it's clear they are putting it off until they get earlier
projects out of the way.

so we can learn from other's mistakes and triumphs, build up money, make
our own plans, and be totally ready for when we get the opportunity from
hondata. just start saving now, I am.

xjohnkdoex

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bummer. +1 if they offered some sort of time frame.

my biggest fear is they would have to re-do the entire development cycle for the 07/08 ecu's. and it'd probably be on the backburner too since they're trying to put out something tuneable for the 06+ civics which is a much larger market.

dBski11

haha i just realized that we get kpro before the civic does... right?... anyways my good friend has a stock si and he thinks hes hot sh*t even thou i swear i can take him, after this, theres no chance

neocrynym

A personal theory of mine is that Hondata realizes most 07+ guys are still well-within warranty and are therefore far less likely to start doing *real* mods to their engine/drivetrain, such as going turbo. Give it a year or two and the 07+ will probably be supported.

However, I do also strongly agree w/ the idea that the 07+ can't be THAT much different to develop for/tune.

rex.

The fact is that the CL9 is such a great platform and is doing very well in races. (as seen through companies such as Realtime, I-Moto, etc.)

The car has been out for almost 6 years, it's price is becoming more affordable for real tuners to obtain and modify.

Hondata has been aware of this trend and has finally come up with a street driven production model developed with their R&D.

It's great that this will finally be available to the TSX community. I can't wait to see what shops such as locash and others come out with.

Has anyone ever tried an 2006 ECU on an 07-08? Only thing I would think is that you lose TPMS, but I'm not a Honda/Acura computer technician.

(Sorry if I'm off-topic-esque, this thread is so much more exciting than class right now)

xjohnkdoex

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i don't think the factory warranty is an issue. they already have disclosure on their website regarding modifying your car with their products, so why would that deter them from reflashing or k-pro'ing the 07/08's?

someone on here purchased an 06 ecu to try a swap, but never updated the thread.

valeratj

EXACTLY

U4ICTHEORY

i'm in the market for a 06 TSX navi/6speed...

i'm not interested in full blown tuning, i would not be racing my TSX competitively...

but

i still want to go fast... i'm not mechanically inclined and aside from the I/E/H route, this hondata kpro sounds a little too serious for me... my question is, would the standard hondata reflash be better for me?

dBski11

w.e. floats your boat i guess, but that would be sufficient i suppose

mrsteve

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Given the cost difference, the re-flash is most certainly the best option for those looking to stick with I/E/H

A Mack

With that coming it will be possible to do a head swap, say to the k20a head found or add cams to the existing motor?

aaronng

Swap head or cams? Of course! That's the good thing about K-pro.

PrecyseStylez

The best would be Hytech.. try to stay away from flex pipes. Mugen runs a flex.. so does Maxim and Toda. So Hytech for the win.

PrecyseStylez

Cams are good to swap.. but no reason to do a head swap.. Nothing really to be gained in that depart unless your swapping in a head that was ported.

MMsTSX

negative on the Mugen running a flex.
http://www.heeltoeauto.com/product.p...at=3351&page=1

so what makes Hytech better than J's or Mugen?
I'm curious, that's all.

CarbonGray Earl

This is just my knowledge from when I was shopping around for a header for my old Integra....

Hytech is fairly well known maker of custom exhaust components for race cars. They custom make street applications as a side business, but they have been pretty popular with the B-series. Their header has always used pretty sound principles for exhaust making, where as most of the headers that have been out aren't designed with the same thoroughness. Not sure if J's or Mugen fits into "most headers".

From what I know (and I don't claim to be an expert), Hytech's feature a 4-2-1 configuration, and take into account the cylinder firing to make sure the exhaust pulses merge together correctly, i.e., one after the other. This helps to make for more efficient exhaust flow and to take advantage of scavenging, or the use of exhaust pulses to pull out the succeeding exhaust pulses and inhibit the exhaust reverting back into the engine. I believe their merge collectors are unique as well.

Additionally, their header features an anti-reversion chamber in the primary piping. Its a proprietary feature, but I believe its been seen on comptech's race header design, but not on the header's you've mentioned. Anyways, it again mitigates the tendency for exhaust to revert back into the cylinders.

How is this different than J's or Mugen? My guess would be the a) anti-reversion technology, b) custom made in their shop, not in a factory, c) it likely makes more usuable power due to its design and from what I've seen in other cars, d) its typically bought as a exhaust system and not just the race header. Header, cat, and exhaust are replaced. its also not made until you order it (which can be a bitch in and of itself). I believe there was a custom Hondata ECU reflash that was being made for it, but I dont' think that's the case anymore. Its also not JDM, which may or may not be a bad thing for some people.

I had this same dilemma when I was deciding on a header for my Integra. However, since Hytech has notoriously long build times and I needed my car around, I decided on a comptech stainless steel header.

Anyways, I don't mean to be long winded.

http://www.hytechexhaust.com/

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...omparison_test

ml2spin

First up, congrats to the die-hards in this forum and welcome to the world of dual ECUs!!

Actually, unless the harness is very long, won't the more logicial placement of the extra ECU be at the passenger footwell, under the carpeting?

That's where my Hondata-fied (K100 inside) DC5 (RSX) ECU sits for my Euro R.

onebadtsx

Super noob question here. Is kpro best for NA or Forced induction. Lets say I want to stay NA are we talking better 1/4 mile times.

Audioserf

KPro is beneficial whatever your setup may be, as it allows you to fully tune the car. Adjust fuel delivery (good whether talking FI or an NA setup with higher compression pistons, cams, valvetrain, etc), iVtec changeover point, etc. A TSX with basic bolt-ons and a good KPRo tune will make some decent power.

PACman

All this K-pro talk reminded me of when Marge Simpson stated they have K-pro in their car.

http://download.lardlad.com/sounds/season16/enemy13.mp3

MMsTSX

link doesn't work.
http://lardlad.com/assets/quotes/season16/FABF19.shtml
scroll down to enemy 13
you can read it, but the link to hear it is broken on their site.


that's actually pretty funny.

onebadtsx

So this will make the tsx as fast as an rsx-s?

Audioserf

... wow, that's amazing. I had no idea that existed, LOL.

Audioserf

Tons of variables at play here which makes it impossible to answer that as a generalization...

dBski11

so when is hondata releasing kpro for purchase??

csun2004

Please can someone explain what is a Kpro and how does it work?
Installing a Kpro does this mean you automatically have a power gain?

im confused please excuse my ignorance

godfather2

^ you can get much of the info you require at www.hondata.com

feuss2

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if you don't know what it is, you probably don't need one!

MMsTSX

I need one damnit!

I hope Hondata can figure out the 07/08 ecu.
I really do. I can wait and all, but seeing all you guys getting
your custom tunes is really going to make me itchy...


locash:

can we see some pics of what you have gotten done so far?
thanks a bunch.

Excelerate

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No one knows. Hondata says it's not available for sale. We will be able to sell these. I would expect the price to be similar to the setup for the 05-06 RSX-S which would be $1745 (includes new Honda ECU) or $1145 if you have your own ECU but don't quote me on that.

CCColtsicehockey

hmmm 3 like the 1145 price cause I can get a used ecu for less than 600. maybe comptech will then release a high boost pulley kit with larger injectorsw and the pulley and then have a map made for the kpro based on a tock tsx with supercharger so we wont have to have the a custom dyno tune unless we want optimal tune for our individual intake, header, cat, ad exhaust.

CCColtsicehockey

hmmm 3 like the 1145 price cause I can get a used ecu for less than 600. also mybe this means comptech will release a high boost pulley kit with the pulley and larger injectors and there will be a basic map for the kpro made for this setup. that would be awesome.

Populuxe

I'm gonna get it paired this weekend if the service department is open. I have a supercharger on the way here

PrecyseStylez

Ok well if they were gonna release it after Sema... that was over weeks ago..