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10-30-2004, 01:26 PM
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I think the supercharger will be compatible with the automatics.
I'd imagine that the ECU reprogramming is similar to Hondata's reflashes which are available for automatic RSX's.
There are even Cybernation turbo'd automatic RSX's... so anything is possible as long
as they give attention to the TSXs automatic ECU.
I certainly hope that Comptech doesn't screw us automatic TSX drivers with the supercharger.
I'd imagine that the ECU reprogramming is similar to Hondata's reflashes which are available for automatic RSX's.
There are even Cybernation turbo'd automatic RSX's... so anything is possible as long
as they give attention to the TSXs automatic ECU.
I certainly hope that Comptech doesn't screw us automatic TSX drivers with the supercharger.
Originally Posted by Dan Martin
1) The kit is similar to the RSX kit so it should sell for around $3600. If the ecu needs to be reprogrammed, your car may be out of commission for 3 days or so. The actual instal time should be around 10-12 hours. I've heard installation prices for JRSC kit on the RSX can range from $350 to $800 so it varies greatly from dealer to dealer. Here's comptech's page to give you some idea of what the TSX kit will look like: http://www.comptechusa.com/store/rsxsc.html
2) No word if it will be compatible with AT cars. If it requires an ECU upgrade, it might not be. The engine would produce the same HP as a 6MT but you'll put less to the ground because of driveline losses.
3) The supercharger will muffle the intake sound you get with a CAI but you'll hear a whining noise when you accelerate hard. There are a few videos of a supercharged RSX here: http://www.badog.com/
2) No word if it will be compatible with AT cars. If it requires an ECU upgrade, it might not be. The engine would produce the same HP as a 6MT but you'll put less to the ground because of driveline losses.
3) The supercharger will muffle the intake sound you get with a CAI but you'll hear a whining noise when you accelerate hard. There are a few videos of a supercharged RSX here: http://www.badog.com/
10-30-2004, 02:13 PM
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www.badog.com is the best....and i don't know if u saw the link for the web forum.......
is there a way that comptech can do any sort of reflash or are they just gonna run stock ecu settings??
is there a way that comptech can do any sort of reflash or are they just gonna run stock ecu settings??
10-30-2004, 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by NightHawk CL9
www.badog.com is the best....and i don't know if u saw the link for the web forum.......
is there a way that comptech can do any sort of reflash or are they just gonna run stock ecu settings??
is there a way that comptech can do any sort of reflash or are they just gonna run stock ecu settings??
I think I will wait to put my SC on until after the KPro comes out.
10-30-2004, 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by NightHawk CL9
so they are running stock fuel/air mixtures or the esm will take over fuel/air mixture but send a signal to the ecu that everything is stock?
Also, I just noticed that Comptech changed the supercharger pic on their site from the RSX to the '04 TL...so are we next??
10-30-2004, 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by jonnerd154
They use "piggyback" ECUs called ESMs to hide boost from the ECU...but it is time that they change that. I think I will wait to put my SC on until after the KPro comes out.
I think I will wait to put my SC on until after the KPro comes out.
Originally Posted by Comptech
To properly program the electronics, the customer will need to send their ECU to Comptech for reprogramming. A box and return shipping pickup tag is included in the kit. The turn around for this service will be one day.
10-30-2004, 06:46 PM
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They do a Hondata flash for the RSXs. We don't even have the first flash for our car. What makes anyone think we'll have to do the same thing? A K-Pro would be of the most assistance either way.
10-31-2004, 03:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Dan Martin
1) The kit is similar to the RSX kit so it should sell for around $3600. If the ecu needs to be reprogrammed, your car may be out of commission for 3 days or so. The actual instal time should be around 10-12 hours. I've heard installation prices for JRSC kit on the RSX can range from $350 to $800 so it varies greatly from dealer to dealer. Here's comptech's page to give you some idea of what the TSX kit will look like: http://www.comptechusa.com/store/rsxsc.html
2) No word if it will be compatible with AT cars. If it requires an ECU upgrade, it might not be. The engine would produce the same HP as a 6MT but you'll put less to the ground because of driveline losses.
3) The supercharger will muffle the intake sound you get with a CAI but you'll hear a whining noise when you accelerate hard. There are a few videos of a supercharged RSX here: http://www.badog.com/
2) No word if it will be compatible with AT cars. If it requires an ECU upgrade, it might not be. The engine would produce the same HP as a 6MT but you'll put less to the ground because of driveline losses.
3) The supercharger will muffle the intake sound you get with a CAI but you'll hear a whining noise when you accelerate hard. There are a few videos of a supercharged RSX here: http://www.badog.com/
but Answer #2 made me sad...
11-02-2004, 07:12 AM
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I dont know, 3600 for a supercharger that isant giving all that much HP , i just dont think it's worth it. 4 grand helps a long way in getting a faster car if that's what your looking for.
11-02-2004, 08:18 AM
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Originally Posted by RMATIC09
I dont know, 3600 for a supercharger that isant giving all that much HP , i just dont think it's worth it. 4 grand helps a long way in getting a faster car if that's what your looking for.
11-02-2004, 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Dan Martin
What would you spend $3600 on to make your car faster than a car equiped with a supercharger?
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11-02-2004, 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Dan Martin
What would you spend $3600 on to make your car faster than a car equiped with a supercharger?
Just kidding...no idiocracy here.
I'm waiting for Cybernation to finish before I decide what I want.
11-02-2004, 08:35 AM
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Originally Posted by provench
I think he is saying just put the $4K + TSX towards a new replacement car. I guess that is a valid question, but what car with all of the qualities of the TSX + better straight line speed is out there for around $30K (non-Navi). I am not sure this is an easy answer because if that car was out there it might have pulled me away from the TSX. (maybe )
11-02-2004, 09:14 AM
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Yea, i love the TSX and all, but speed isant exactly it's high point, its quick and all but theres defintely faster. If i was to buy a SC, id prob , save that money, and start saving more and just invest in a g35 when the funds permit me to do so.
The supercharger seems complicated thats all, the product, install, future issues that might occur...if it's speed, then id rather just buy a new car.
The supercharger seems complicated thats all, the product, install, future issues that might occur...if it's speed, then id rather just buy a new car.
11-02-2004, 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by RMATIC09
Yea, i love the TSX and all, but speed isant exactly it's high point, its quick and all but theres defintely faster. If i was to buy a SC, id prob , save that money, and start saving more and just invest in a g35 when the funds permit me to do so.
The supercharger seems complicated thats all, the product, install, future issues that might occur...if it's speed, then id rather just buy a new car.
The supercharger seems complicated thats all, the product, install, future issues that might occur...if it's speed, then id rather just buy a new car.
but a turbo'd tsx would be faster then a g35... then you'd have to add 4 g's to a g35 to keep up with the tsx
11-02-2004, 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by RMATIC09
Yea, i love the TSX and all, but speed isant exactly it's high point, its quick and all but theres defintely faster. If i was to buy a SC, id prob , save that money, and start saving more and just invest in a g35 when the funds permit me to do so.
The supercharger seems complicated thats all, the product, install, future issues that might occur...if it's speed, then id rather just buy a new car.
The supercharger seems complicated thats all, the product, install, future issues that might occur...if it's speed, then id rather just buy a new car.
I would think a g35 would be more $$ than a supercharged TSX, although ultimately you could probably make the g35 go faster for you'd need even more $$$.
11-03-2004, 10:46 AM
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A friend of mine is currently out at the sema show and I have asked him to get me some info and pics of the supercharged tsx so I should have some more info if it is there by the end of this week.
11-03-2004, 01:33 PM
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In addition to the A-SPEC equipped RL, Acura featured an assortment of high performance models by import tuners and racing companies. Making their debut at SEMA were
two unique versions of Acura's hot-selling TSX sports sedan. The Comptech TSX, supercharges the 2.4-liter TSX engine and adds a cold air intake, plus a stainless header and exhaust system to increase horsepower from 200 to 240. Comptech springs, a rear sway bar and 18-inch tires increase handling precision while lending an even more aggressive look. The second TSX on display was the RealTime Racing TSX racecar driven by Pierre Kleinubing on the 204 SCCA Pro Racing SPEED World Challenge circuit.
two unique versions of Acura's hot-selling TSX sports sedan. The Comptech TSX, supercharges the 2.4-liter TSX engine and adds a cold air intake, plus a stainless header and exhaust system to increase horsepower from 200 to 240. Comptech springs, a rear sway bar and 18-inch tires increase handling precision while lending an even more aggressive look. The second TSX on display was the RealTime Racing TSX racecar driven by Pierre Kleinubing on the 204 SCCA Pro Racing SPEED World Challenge circuit.
Didn't feel like going through 8 pages.
11-03-2004, 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by JTso
Is that 40 "crank hp" gain with all that stuffs? It doesn't seem very much gain if you ask me...
Not sure but since the quoted the 200HP figure I'm guessing its not 240 at the wheels. Not much but I'm guessing they were very light on the boost.
11-04-2004, 03:13 AM
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Well here are the dyno results of the RSX-S supercharger... 45.8whp improvement.
http://www.comptechusa.com/images/dyno/RSXDyno.pdf
I still think that the TSX will have more HP... around 235-240whp, (maybe around 245-250 with hondata intake manifold and injen cai or short ram).
The TSX powerband will be signficantly different from the RSX though because the TSX's K24 makes way better torque. I'd imagine the Comptech S/C will improve low-mid ALOT, especially around 4000-6000rpm.
Not sure if everyone has seen this picture of the Comptech TSX S/C - (not taken from clubrsx):
TSXSupercharger.jpg
I'm very glad that Comptech is supporting the TSX with the supercharger... and I do still plan to buy one for my TSX.
Don't forget guys that you can change the boost level with a new pulley and very importantly some new internals.
This of course will void the Comptech warranty though.
http://www.comptechusa.com/images/dyno/RSXDyno.pdf
I still think that the TSX will have more HP... around 235-240whp, (maybe around 245-250 with hondata intake manifold and injen cai or short ram).
The TSX powerband will be signficantly different from the RSX though because the TSX's K24 makes way better torque. I'd imagine the Comptech S/C will improve low-mid ALOT, especially around 4000-6000rpm.
Not sure if everyone has seen this picture of the Comptech TSX S/C - (not taken from clubrsx):
TSXSupercharger.jpg
I'm very glad that Comptech is supporting the TSX with the supercharger... and I do still plan to buy one for my TSX.
Don't forget guys that you can change the boost level with a new pulley and very importantly some new internals.
This of course will void the Comptech warranty though.
11-04-2004, 08:20 AM
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The HP on that dyno is VERY linear...what are they using to kill the vtec dip that you can see on the stock hp? It is almost suspicious to me. 
11-04-2004, 09:34 AM
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This is how... It sounds like they are teaming up with Hondata.
To properly program the electronics, the customer will need to send their ECU to Comptech for reprogramming. A box and return shipping pickup tag is included in the kit. The turn around for this service will be one day.
11-04-2004, 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by JTso
This is how... It sounds like they are teaming up with Hondata.
11-05-2004, 02:46 PM
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Whp
The Comptech Supercharger numbers are at the wheel. Check out the picture on vtec.net of SEMA day 2, they have the plaque up there describing the specs. Plus, just think of the torque gain involved here...If this puts the TSX's torque at 220 ft/lbs or better, I would buy it. Remember torque and power under the curve are way more of an impact than high end power on the street or at the strip.
11-05-2004, 04:26 PM
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The area under the curve means how much area is covered under the torque curve where the torque line and and the horse power line on a dyno intersect. Everything else being equal (weight, etc...) the more area under the curve, the quicker your car is. Example: 
The filled-in area is the area under the curve. As you can see, if the two engines were in the same car, the TSX engine would be quicker. As you can imagine by the graphs, if torque was 220 and hp 240 with a flat torque curve....that would be a lot of power improvement under the curve resulting in a much more beastly TSX even though the hp numbers aren't that impressive...although since the comptech number ARE to the wheel numbers, they kind of are anyways.
Also note the word quicker...not top speed faster, ie you get to your top speed faster but that doesn't necessarily mean your top speed is higher. both 200 hp engines should match each other in top speed, everything else being equal.
The filled-in area is the area under the curve. As you can see, if the two engines were in the same car, the TSX engine would be quicker. As you can imagine by the graphs, if torque was 220 and hp 240 with a flat torque curve....that would be a lot of power improvement under the curve resulting in a much more beastly TSX even though the hp numbers aren't that impressive...although since the comptech number ARE to the wheel numbers, they kind of are anyways.
Also note the word quicker...not top speed faster, ie you get to your top speed faster but that doesn't necessarily mean your top speed is higher. both 200 hp engines should match each other in top speed, everything else being equal.
11-06-2004, 12:28 AM
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Thanks for the explanation of "under the curve", I haven't heard that term before.
The area really isn't important as the torque plot doesn't even need to be there to convey the say message. In the same car, the K24 would out perform the K20 because it produces more HP at lower RPM. In theory, if you were to launch both cars at peak HP they should accelerate at the same rate. Since that's completely impractical, a lower RPM launch would give the K24 the advantage due to it's higher power output at that speed. Or conversely, you would have to rev the K20 harder at launch to equal the K24's performance.
The area really isn't important as the torque plot doesn't even need to be there to convey the say message. In the same car, the K24 would out perform the K20 because it produces more HP at lower RPM. In theory, if you were to launch both cars at peak HP they should accelerate at the same rate. Since that's completely impractical, a lower RPM launch would give the K24 the advantage due to it's higher power output at that speed. Or conversely, you would have to rev the K20 harder at launch to equal the K24's performance.
11-06-2004, 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Stokeless_TSX
240 whp??? thats weak...I was hoping for more than that from them. =(