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Old 07-15-2005, 07:40 PM
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What cars do people compare the TSX to?

Hey guys,
Just curious... what other brands do people compare the TSX to?
I know there have been threads comparing specific brands to the next... but i was wondering if i could get a complete list. I tried a search but didn't really get too far.

Also, anyone know of another model that costs around the same as the tsx with similar features?
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BMW 3-series
Lexus IS300
Mazda 6 (nowhere close IMO)

etc... etc...
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Audi A4
Mazda6
Lexus IS
Volvo S40 (pricewise) or S60
Saab 9-3
Cadillac CTS?
Mercedes C230 Kompressor / C240
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It's unfair, but I also looked at some used Infiniti G35s. Unfair in that with low miles, the G35s still cost more, but they have gobs of HP. Monster cars, particularly the coupes.

BMW 3-series -- also more expensive.

Lexus IS300 -- more expensive? I don't think I bothered looking at this one... Was interested when it first came out, but now, I dunno....

SAAB 9-3 -- Overpriced for what you get, IMO.

Dang, the TSX is cheaper than all of these (except for a low-end 9-3 with the GM ee pricing special).

I actually also looked at the MINI Cooper S. It would be almost as much as the TSX, once you add a few options.

I also entertained lesser expensive cars. I kind of liked the Scion tC, particularly for the price.

I might have liked the RSX Type S, except I want a little more room!
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There are a LOT of early model G35 sedans and coupes in the Toronto area with "high-ish" miles (100-120,000km) for about $20K. Most TSX's here are from $27,000 and up (even high mileage ones like mine was when I got it - $26K).

But, with the older G35's there are a LOT of quality problems that weren't worked out until the '06 model year. Buyer beware.

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Honestly: Mazda 6, Honda Accord, Acura TL, Infinity G35, Lexus IS300, BMW 325, Audi A4
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Do any of these come close in pricing? With similar features?
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Originally Posted by Alin10123
Do any of these come close in pricing? With similar features?
I think the G35s have a lot of features, but there are some things that are optional. Some of these brands, once you start adding options, it's big bucks.

Especially BMW. Sure, you can get into a new 325i for $31k MSRP! (I don't think I'd ever get a BMW dealer to discount, but I just got a TSX for, like, a few hundred over invoice. Factor that in too....) But you want leather? It's, say, $1400. Upgraded stereo? Another $1k. Xenon headlamps? Extra. (It might come with one of the "packages" as well.) The "trip computer" is part of the Premium package. If you wanted a lot of options, you'd get to the price of the 330i ($37k), and then it makes sense to get that model instead (as it has some of the 325i options built-in). So, you probably wouldn't really get a base 325i for $31k, you'd probably at least be up to $35k with options, and you just wouldn't have all of the options that are in the TSX.

Well, that's my thinking in doing comparisons. I'm just going from memory, so don't take my word for it. Go to some place like Edmunds.com and check the official pricing.

Compare that to $26 for a TSX. Is the 325i $9k better? $11k (or more) for the 330i? I'm sure it is to some, but that's just tough for me to get past.

The MINI Cooper is similar in that the base price seems pretty cheap for a fun car. Start getting some options. You can get up to near the TSX price pretty easily, and these things are also going for around MSRP. So, you might not think it's worth comparing, but I look at it as really being in the ballpark.

I looked at used G35s because new, they were over $30k, although I bet it works out a lot less than the 3-series even with options.

Regardless, I feel more comfortable with an under-$30k car. About the only thing that I think the car is missing is that the suspension needs to be a tad sportier, but maybe I'll fix that with an A-spec suspension at some point....
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audi a4, bmw 325, mercedes c230, volvo s40 T5, IS300
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Originally Posted by Superb0o
audi a4, bmw 325, mercedes c230, volvo s40 T5, IS300
Bah... none of those come close to the price of the TSX when you do it feature for feature.
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Accord, Altima
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Seriously, it almost came down to TSX and mercedes c230 for me. It was going to be a stripped down, without any feature c230 (mind you, it only has a cassette player). I thought the MB symbol might be enough to justify it. Looking back, I am so glad that I decided on TSX instead.
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Wow, in Australia, the Accord Euro (TSX) gets compared to the Mazda6, Subaru Legacy/Liberty and Holden/Opel Vectra.It never gets compared to the 3, Audi, Merc C class nor even the IS200, let alone the IS300. The reason being that those cars cost too much here, with the 325i being US$55900 here, the IS200 (US$43425) and IS300 (US$46875). It's crazy, the Accord Euro is US$31875 with leather, foglights, sunroof, HIDs, auto wipers but no navi.
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ya, i forgot about the subaru legacy.

i remember reading a comparison review on the legacy gt limited and tsx.

really close comparison...

http://www.roadandtrack.com/article....ber=1&preview=
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Originally Posted by BusyShifter
Seriously, it almost came down to TSX and mercedes c230 for me. It was going to be a stripped down, without any feature c230 (mind you, it only has a cassette player). I thought the MB symbol might be enough to justify it. Looking back, I am so glad that I decided on TSX instead.
Oh, I meant the coupe, not the four door. The 4-door is way out of my price range.
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personally, for me it was the fully loaded accord coupe, subaru legacy gt, mazda6, and a used bmw 325i

in the end i narrowed it to the accord coupe ex v6 w. navi, and the tsx w/ navi...tough choice
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Zonda, Enzo, Carrera GT, SLR....etc
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Zonda, Enzo, Carrera GT, SLR....etc


Don't forget McLaren F1
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The closet rival IMO, is the new IS 250. It will have similar horsehower and will be similar in size. Plus, going off of what I have read it should start in the 27-28k range.
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I have a moron co-worker that compares his G35 to my TSX everyday.

But I always see A4, IS300, and Mazda 6, and I also compare it to Accord V6.
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Like with wine tasting - a comparison could be "horizontal" or "vertical".
So, here are some chioces for "vertical":
Civic
Rsx
Acord
S2000
TL
RL
NSX
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These were the ones that I considered before getting the TSX:

1. BMW 3 series - I loved it! However, the trunk and the back seat were too small and the new 3 series was going to be launched fairly soon then so I didn't get it in the end...

2. Audi A4 - very nice car, but the 1.8T was grossly underpowered and the 3.0 was overpriced IMHO. Also, I was concerned about the reliability record....

3. Saab 9-3 - I really, really wanted a Saab!!! I loved its individuality (but ironicallly the current 9-3 was the least eccentric of all Saabs and yet it was the best-selling.... sigh). In the end, the poor re-sale value and the reliability record put me off....

4. Mazda 6 - great value! But I wanted the wagon, and it came out too late. Way too late! Also, I wanted the completely loaded one and then there were some very base models being sold too.... sorry, that probably sounded a snotty..... oops!

5. Honda Accord - also another great value package! I wanted the V6 but the ride was just too pillowy for my taste..... again, I would have gotten the EX V6 and the thought that there were lots of DX that looked similar to my car did not appeal to me...... oops again!

6. TL - I loved it! The only reason I didn't get it was because the rear seats did not fold down.... sigh.....

7. G35 - another car that I didn't get simply because the rear seats didn't fold down......

The C Class and none of the Lexus models did not even make it to my list of consideration because the C Class has a horrendous reliability record and then none of the Lexus was appealing to me - the IS was too old, small and unattractive, the ES was too boaty floaty, the GS was also aging badly (that was before this new one was launched) and the LS was for old and rich people.....
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thanks for the opinions. So far it seems as if the TSX is the best value and seems to fit the bill very well.
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May not be the type of "comparing" the thread starter has in mind, but I do tend to be reminded of my 98 Prelude by my 05 TSX

To me, the TSX is like the Prelude, only with 2 more door, more room front and back, more torque, flatter torque curve, more luxury
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Originally Posted by 05_TSX_GP
May not be the type of "comparing" the thread starter has in mind, but I do tend to be reminded of my 98 Prelude by my 05 TSX

To me, the TSX is like the Prelude, only with 2 more door, more room front and back, more torque, flatter torque curve, more luxury
That's exactly how I feel, except mine was a 99 Prelude and I have a 04 TSX now.
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The Buick Century. I can't believe none of you guys mentioned the Buick Century! There's a whole thread here about comparisons of the TSX to the Century. More important, the Century was preferred by 98% AND has employee pricing!!!

https://acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24139
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I think that some of you are putting the car up a little too high. In reality, the 3 series, A4, IS300 and so on is always compared to the TL not to the TSX. I agree with Matelot, I would say TSX compares to Altima, Mazda 6, Accord. I mean obviously its way better than all of those but it compares to those for price. Its no where near price of even the 325, A4, G35. You cant really compare them. Yes it is just as good but you have to go with the TL vs those.
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When I was shopping around, my other options were:

Cadillac CTS
Jaguar X-type
Audi A4
Volvo S40
BMW 325
Infiniti G35C
Acura TL
Pagani Zonda F (lol)

Can't beat acura on features/$. The most disappointing thing for me was how the options were so pieced-out on all the other brands. Cars that start at $29K wound up at $40K+ by the time you added leather, moonroof, HID, Navigation, etc. TSX won hands down.
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Originally Posted by stphy32
I think that some of you are putting the car up a little too high. In reality, the 3 series, A4, IS300 and so on is always compared to the TL not to the TSX. I agree with Matelot, I would say TSX compares to Altima, Mazda 6, Accord. I mean obviously its way better than all of those but it compares to those for price. Its no where near price of even the 325, A4, G35. You cant really compare them. Yes it is just as good but you have to go with the TL vs those.
http://www.caranddriver.com/article....&page_number=1
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It can be compared to whatever you want to compare it to. In the end it all depends on your budget.
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The TSX comes “fully equipped” (i.e. HID’s, heated seats, heated mirrors, homelink, auto dimming mirror, leather, 6 cd changer, premium audio, etc etc..) for invoice around what $26000 . If you were to fully equip (put the same things in) a Mazda 6, Altima and Accord it would be around the same price. Now if you were to put the same things that come standard in a TSX in an A4, BMW 325, MB C230, Infiniti G35 it would definitely not be around the same $$. You are talking an invoice price of well over $30000 for those cars. Well over.

My argument is price comparison.

Don’t get me wrong, I think the TSX totally competes with the latter on style, amenities, luxury and handling (except the BMW handling) and rules over the 6, Altima and Accord in style, performance and handling.
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Originally Posted by dom
It can be compared to whatever you want to compare it to. In the end it all depends on your budget.

I dont know if I agree with this comment dom

some of the previous posters are all saying how they could have afforded a Lamborghini or Ferrari but opted with a TSX.. hmmm
If I could afford those my everyday car would probably be an SL500. Of course I would want the SL65 AMG but I am being a little more practical for the everyday thing.
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Originally Posted by stphy32
I dont know if I agree with this comment dom

some of the previous posters are all saying how they could have afforded a Lamborghini or Ferrari but opted with a TSX.. hmmm
If I could afford those my everyday car would probably be an SL500. Of course I would want the SL65 AMG but I am being a little more practical for the everyday thing.

Well for most your budget dictates what you buy. There aren't that many people who can afford a TL or an RL who end up in a TSX. I know there are some but not many.

And those posters who could have afforded are Ferrari but ended up in a TSX are full of
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Well for most your budget dictates what you buy. There aren't that many people who can afford a TL or an RL who end up in a TSX. I know there are some but not many.

And those posters who could have afforded are Ferrari but ended up in a TSX are full of


Yo have to look at the true meaning of the word afford. If Sold my house, I could buy a Lambo too, but then i'd be living in the car as well
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Originally Posted by GIBSON6594


Yo have to look at the true meaning of the word afford. If Sold my house, I could buy a Lambo too, but then i'd be living in the car as well
Well if thats the case then those people cant really afford a Lambo, IMO.
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Well if thats the case then those people cant really afford a Lambo, IMO.
Well they could maybe buy the Lambo, but couldn't afford the insurance, maintenance and all the frills and bells that come with it.
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Originally Posted by GIBSON6594


Yo have to look at the true meaning of the word afford. If Sold my house, I could buy a Lambo too, but then i'd be living in the car as well
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Especially if one uses some type of home equity loan (assuming to have enough equity first of all), one can indeed "afford" a $200k+ car.
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OK the reality is that you cannot afford a Lambo if you have to live in it. How is that affording one? You cant really live in it so the truth is you cant afford it. I see what you mean yes they can buy the car but can they make ends meet to actually live if they have the car. no. So its not really affordable.

Sorry I dont mean to argue but do you get what I mean


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