First off, I realize I'm asking this on a TSX forum so many of your views might be a bit biased. I'll ask you to suspend your judgement on either vehicle or brand and just give me an opinion based on my list of pros and cons.

I'm looking to upgrade my Scion tC this summer. My next car will have leather, A/T, four doors, navi, and bluetooth. I've pretty much narrowed my search to the TSX and the IS250 (assuming I don't like the 2008 Accord sedan which won't be out until at least July, maybe August).

I've contacted 4 dealerships for each vehicle in my area and have negotiated the prices already. The TSX is sold at invoice and the IS is basically $700 above invoice.

Here are the pros and cons for each:

TSX - negotiated price: $28,440 + $245 dealer fees

PROS
- $5000 cheaper
- 205hp 4-cylinder
- Great bang-for-the-buck (value)
- Center console slides forward to adjust to driver's liking
- One of the best navi units available

CONS
- Steering wheel is too cluttered
- "Dated" styling (but still looks nice)
- Ride is not as plush as the Lexus


IS250 RWD - negotiated price: $34,580 + 98 dealer fees

PROS
- Great exterior styling
- All Auto windows and sunroof
- 13 speaker audio system
- 204hp 6-cylinder
- Great Lexus interior finish feels better than the Acura
- Heated AND COOLED seats (I like the cooled, g/f likes the heated)
- Back-up camera

CONS
- $5000 more for basically the same equipment
- RWD must be special ordered (DC-area has only base RWDs because they order almost exclusively AWD models)
- AWD adds $3000 more!
- Poor visibility out the back (hence the back-up camera)
- Almost useless back seat with no 60/40 split (only a pass-through)
- Weird angled location where the window switches are located
- I HATE the wooden interior which seems to come with every car on the lot (hence the special order with metallic interior)


Overall, the Lexus feels like more of a luxury vehicle while the TSX feels more like a sporty vehicle. I don't use my back seat all that often, but I'd like to be able to keep my seat in one location if someone tries to sit behind me. Also, I snowboard during the winter so I need the folding seats. I'm not sure my snowboard fits through the pass-through.

If price were no object, the Lexus would win hands-down. What do you guys think I should do?

 

If you are willing to even pay 35K for the Lexus, you might as well look at the TL. It's larger, much faster and better looking (IMO).

If you want to save money and get a great car, get the TSX. The IS is great but I find it to be more of a chic car.

 

The TL is just OK, but If I'm picking between the TL and TSX I'd get the TSX any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

Thanks for your

 

Neither, I'd rather pay 35K and get the 306hp G35 sedan. It's larger, much faster and better looking than a TSX, TL, or IS250.

This topic has been discussed numerous other times before. Do a search.

 

I know it's been discussed, but I'm looking for opinions on my situation.

The 350 does not have the navi, memory seats, or bluetooth. To get those features, it would cost me $40K and I'm not willing to go that high. My top was $32K but I MIGHT go up to $34K, but not a penny more.

 

Paging Tireguy or Olegm, please tell this man how much you paid for the G35 and what options you got.

 

If you like the TSX I dont see any reason to spend more then you have to. Does the lexus you are looking at have all the options the TSX does because I know the TSX comes with a lot standard.

 

Save some money and get the TSX. The TSX interior is still nice, if not the nicest at its price point, and driving-wise, I think the TSX is going to be better (from what I hear). Take the money you save month over month and invest it, or mod your TSX.

 

You're one lucky dude to be picking between these two...

Since you're looking at getting an Automatic and rear-seat space is not an issue, I would pick the IS250: RWD, nice Instrument Cluster, and the car looks great. I can't imagine what the optional Levinson sound system is like.

I know this is not the case, but if you have to stick kiddie seats in the back or was looking for a car with a 6-speed manual, then I'd go for the TSX.

 

If you don't care for driving, then it sounds like you would prefer the Lexus more based solely on the contrived "luxury" feel of it.

If you like to drive, the Lexus is a mediocre driver's car in stock form and is not worth the premium over the TSX. I beat the snot out of both the 250 and 350 models at the Taste of Lexus event and was not at all impressed with the 250. Even the 350 only got a nod for its power. The handling and feel of the car were so numb and uninspiring, I started to wonder why Lexus even bothered to bring a BMW 328i because all that did was showcase all of the Lexus's week points.

 

I test drove both cars before I decided on the TSX. The main reason I chose the TSX was the price and it was basically the same equipment. The Lexus is more of a luxury car and more of a status symbol.

To me it isn't worth getting the IS250 over the TSX. I choose the TSX

 

Some additional thoughts for you:
- TSX is top 10 in holding its value (don't know were the IS is)
- Lexus service is better than Acura service
- TSX gets better fuel economy
- Since money IS an object you should compare the cost of insurance as well (I think TSX is less expensive to insure).

 

There is a new IS that parks outside of my office right next to my new TSX. Don't get me wrong, I love my TSX, but I do think the exterior of the IS is hotter.

 

Is rear seat space isn't an issue, and if you can comfortably swing the extra 5K, I'd get the IS.

But I'd definently price out a G35 before making this decision.

 

I'm just going to throw this out there, but have you driven the RDX?

SH-AWD, another appealing style (nicer than the MDX inside and outside), easier to get in and out of, and be able to carry crap without the roof rack. The fuel consumption is probably comparable to the IS.

 

Interesting...



When I picked up my TSX in February, I mentioned to the salesman that I tried to cross-shop the IS250, but MT's were non-existent.

In response, he pointed at an IS250 they had in their used car lot (it was the latest body style), and basically said "Really? We have one right here that we use to sell our Acuras. Anytime someone mentions an IS we let them drive this one first and then the TL or TSX. We get lots of sales this way..."

 

I think you already have the answer to the question you are asking. You want the Lexus, but 32K was your upper limit. Why go above that to 34K?

You will be much better off in the TSX at this time. It is a great car and very fun to drive, I had one from 2004 to 2006. Plus it sounds like it will fit into your budget better. Save the extra 5K, buy (or lease) the TSX.

I agree with the others, if you really can go to 34K, look at the G35.

 

new G35 +1

 

If money is a factor at all I would go with the TSX, install a RSB and call it a day. The TSX is a great car for the money and has a lot of great options/features standard. With that said the G35 starts at just over $32k with destination charge, and it would be on the top of my list(I do own a 07 G35, previously had a TSX) however, to get navi, you need to get a journey, with premium package and navi, which will put you over budget leaving the TSX as the obvious choice in my eyes.

 

If you got the money... go for Is250.

 

I saw something earlier today when I opened AOL and the TSX was #1 and the IS250 was #4 on the list of best resale values.

 

I wouldn't doubt it. If you care about driving, Lexus just isn't the brand for you.

 

The new Mercedes C300 is due to drop in July for $34k loaded with what has spoiled us all on the TSX ... (sunroof, bluetooth, and the Benz even has a "screen" for HVAC and Audio Control when the car is not equiped with the Navi). The IS is hot, but the interior has no space for anyone other than the driver. If you aren't in a rush, wait for the new C and see if the star can win you over!

 

I do have the money for the IS but I grew up poor so I'm kind of frugal. I'm torn between my head (TSX) and my heart (IS). I think the IS has a more modern look to it but the TSX is the better bang for the buck.

I have a bad back (and knee, hence the new A/T) and the TSX has a stiffer suspension while the IS has the softer suspension (not that the TSX has a harsh ride, it's still smoother than, say, the 3-series BMWs). I also found the TSX seats to be a bit on the hard side and somewhat uncomfortable but I've been told that they just need to be fine-tuned and then they are great seats.

I did look at the G35 but I'm not really all that happy with the MPG rating. The Infiniti also would be around $37K MSRP for what I want on it (Journey + Premium PKG + Nav) minus whatever I can negotiate on it (probably get it for around $34,500 or something). To be honest, I have not been to the Infiniti dealer to test drive it yet. Maybe I should shut up and do that this weekend so that I can compare the three on equal footing. I'm sure that if I had to pay 35K I'd rather get the G than the IS.

I also don't know how the G will hold it's value when I know the TSX will hold it quite well.

 

[QUOTE=Nogard13]I do have the money for the IS but I grew up poor so I'm kind of frugal. I'm torn between my head (TSX) and my heart (IS). I think the IS has a more modern look to it but the TSX is the better bang for the buck.



After reading more of your posts, I think this is really a financial decision. I am sure you can technically afford the 34K or 35K car, but the question is should you?

Answer these questions:
1. Do you own a house/townhouse/or condo?

2. Have you started saving for retirement?

3. Have you been at your current job for more than 2 years?

4. Do you have ANY credit card debt or student loan debt or other debt?

Why all the financial questions? It sounds to me like you are trying to justify spending 34K on the Lexus when you know it is too much for you.

My 2 cents on financial priorities:
1. Own your home
2. Max out all retimrement plans at your disposal
3. keep stable employment
4. Use credit cards, but keep low balances relative to your credit limit and always pay them off each month. Student loan interest is low, so no need to pay off quickly (if this applies to you)

If you have already done 1-4, than go ahead and spend the max you can on your car, otherwise, tone it down, buy the TSX, and work on 1-4.

 

Must it be brand new?
Surely you could save a few $$$ if you opted for an ex-demo - might be tall order finding the exact spec though.
For balance, you'd do well to join the Lexus forums and ask the same questions there, and then you'll be in the best position to make your decision.

 

i'd say the rsx is more of a chick car.

 

Those are some very good and relevant questions. It shows me that you have a good head on your shoulder and are very practical (as am I).

1. Yes, I own my own home, though I do not live in it (I rent an apt with my g/f). My father is currently living in my condo, tho, as it is back home.

2. I have several retirement accounts. My Roth IRA was started back in 2001 and I've contributed the maximum allowable (3000 and 4000 a year) since inception. I also have my 401K through my job which has grown to around 10K in the last year (I put 12% each paycheck and my employer adds another 4.5%). Those are my two retirement accounts, but I do have other savings and stock accounts that I can dig in to for other stuff like my favorite thing: traveling (the g/f and I are going to Spain this month and to London in May).

3. I have only been at my current job for 10 months. I'm prior Military and I only just got out and started working in the real world last June. I plan on being with my current employer for the foreseeable future, though.

4. I do not have any CC or Student Loan debt. I do not believe in using CCs and only use my AmEx for charges which is then paid off monthly. As for other debts, I only have my mortgage, rent, car note, insurance, cell phone bill, and utility payments that most other people have. I'm not hurting for money and my salary is about to increase by $1200 a month around June (which is what's going to pay the difference in car payments from my $350/month Scion 3-year loan to my whatever amount 4-year loan for my new car) and I get a 7% of my salary as a bonus every January (I work for a General Dynamics Information Technology here in DC).

I know I'm only 30 years old but I've planned quite well for my future. Now I just want a car that I can enjoy riding in, with the creature comforts that I have not enjoyed to date, so I can feel a little pampered.

Still, my frugality (you can call me a cheap-ass) shines through. I know that the TSX is the best overall value and I'm truly leaning towards the Acura, but I do not want to have regret in a few months wondering why I didn't pick the Lexus when it is obvious I can afford it. I am one of those people who like to consider every possible angle and make an informed decision. But, like I said, I'm 60% TSX and 40% IS right now.

Anywho, I do not want to sound as if I do not appreciate every single opinion that has been given in this thread. I'm very glad to be a member here and I respect everyone's reasonings for their pick. Thank you all very much.

 

You're right, it doesn't have to be brand new. However, I do want navi and RWD models do not come with navi in this area (or so I've been told by three separate dealerships). Lexus has deemed the DC-Metro area (and everything north of North Carolina) as AWD country and they provide very little in the way of RWD vehicles.

 

I am still trying to figure out how a 205hp 4-cylinder AND a 204hp 6-cylinder can both be pros.?.

 

Because they are above 200hp, that's a pro in my book.

 

[IMG][/IMG] Have you thought about the Saab 9-3 Aero Sport Combi? When you mentioned snowboarding, this seemed like the perfect vehicle. Has most of the creature comforts you speak of and would be excellent in the snow. Probably has some the the most comfortable seats in my opinion and comes with a 250hp V6 w/ 250 lb/ft torque. Build quality wouldn't be a good as the Acura or Lexus but most of the creature comforts are there. I love my Acura and it offers the most creature comforts for the $$. Get what you want and remember that YOU have to live with the car. It sounds like you might end up second-guessing yourself if you get the Acura.

I looked at the IS250 but found the inside (and especially the back seat) to confining and claustrophobic. For the money you save, you could probably find someone to put in cooled seats for you!!!

 

To me it seems you are leaning towards the Lexus. I can't speak for everyone...but when I saw the TSX I wanted one from the start and each day reaffirms my choice. If you don't feel that same way for the TSX as you do the Lexus I would get the IS250. Making payments, no matter how low, sucks when you don't really like or enjoy the car.



But the TSX is awsome and you would be missing out.

 

When I cross shopped these cars it really came down to bang for the buck.

Spec-wise the cars are very similar as you noted in your pros/cons list. While I would've probably picked the TSX anyhow if the prices were equal due to my personal preferences, the fact that the TSX was $7000* cheaper was really the deal breaker.


My thinking was this. would I rather have:

A. Lexus IS250 fully loaded

B. Acura TSX with Navi and $7000+interest in my pocket over the next couple years

The choice was pretty easy for me. THe Lexus didn't bring anything to the table worth the premium that they charge for it.

Whatever you end up with, make sure you end up with a car that you like. You don't want to look at every IS250 you see for the next few years with envy.

*not sure if this was the actual difference. I believe it was $26,800 vs $34,000 for the loaded IS. could be wrong

 

nogard13,

I know how you're feeling, I also have been looking at the G, TL, TSX, and IS ... if you're thinking that you're going to regret buying the TSX. And if you can afford it and you have your finances down... go for the IS. The last thing you want to do with buying a car is to have regrets.

 

I was really impressed by the TSX when it first came out in 04 and have always liked it since. Sometimes I think the style is dated and needs to be updated and sometimes I think it looks awesome.

For example, the TSX for the Ron Jon Wheels add that's usually on the top-right corner looks amazing!

The G35, on the other hand, doesn't really do as much for me as the TSX or the IS. Yes, it looks nice, but it's not a car that I could call beautiful. It has a great engine, too, but, then again, the fuel economy in the city is nothing to write home to mom about. I'd rather stick with the IS or TSX that have very good MPG numbers.

I'm really waiting to see what the Accord is going to look like. As long as the exterior/interior looks nice, and it has a sports shifer like the TSX, I think I'd rather get that. I would get the EX with leather and navigation and, of course, the V6 engine (which should have 250+ hp).

As for the Saab, I'm not interested. I will not purchase a GM vehicle and Subbies are really not my cup of tea.

 

How about the Mazda6 or Mazdaspeed6?

 

Get the Subaru Legacy GT. Nah I think you should go for the TSX only because it is a lot cheaper and you will enjoy it in the long run. Alos if you plan on modding it there are alot more aftermarket parts for the TSX then the IS250

 

I drove the IS250 last fall. I was really impressed. I LOVE my TSX, but it actually felt cheap once I had driven the IS250. Also keep in mind the IS250 has more torque than the TSX. The sound system in the IS250 was noticeably clearer too. Oh and the transmission was smoother and the (stock) engine sounds better on the IS250. I would get the IS250 if I had the chance to do it again.

 

One thing I didn't see mentioned is the maintenance cost of the IS vs. the TSX. My thought is the TSX would be cheaper to maintain than the IS.

I was in a similar situation recently. I was weighing the TSX, IS250, G35, BMW 325i, and Nissan Altima. In the end I went with the TSX since is was the cheapest car of the bunch, yet it had everything I "needed" (as well as the trusty Honda reliability). I figured stetching my budget past my set limit and buying a car that will be more expensive to maintain was a receipt for financial hardship.

Good luck with whatever you decide.