TSX crash test on Dateline right now
#7
He's not joking.
Here is the article..
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4373198/
Keep in mind this is not a "Safety" crash test. Its a bumper test, to see how well the bumpers are built. This is stuff that would affect fender benders. The TSX bumpers are considered "poor", which means they are easily damaged I guess. The article concluded that building a better bumper is very easy, but it seems paying more for a car doesnt mean getting a better bumper as the cheaper cars did better than the more expensive cars.
So what does it really mean? Well maybe insurance for the TSX is going to go up
Here is the article..
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4373198/
Keep in mind this is not a "Safety" crash test. Its a bumper test, to see how well the bumpers are built. This is stuff that would affect fender benders. The TSX bumpers are considered "poor", which means they are easily damaged I guess. The article concluded that building a better bumper is very easy, but it seems paying more for a car doesnt mean getting a better bumper as the cheaper cars did better than the more expensive cars.
So what does it really mean? Well maybe insurance for the TSX is going to go up
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#8
Nope
Originally posted by Kanon23
pls tell me you are not joking...
pls tell me you are not joking...
Moral of this story my friends is to not hit or get hit by anyone in your nice new TSX!
Cheers
Todd
#9
Originally posted by fdl
He's not joking.
Here is the article..
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4373198/
Keep in mind this is not a "Safety" crash test. Its a bumper test, to see how well the bumpers are built. This is stuff that would affect fender benders. The TSX bumpers are considered "poor", which means they are easily damaged I guess. The article concluded that building a better bumper is very easy, but it seems paying more for a car doesnt mean getting a better bumper as the cheaper cars did better than the more expensive cars.
So what does it really mean? Well maybe insurance for the TSX is going to go up
He's not joking.
Here is the article..
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4373198/
Keep in mind this is not a "Safety" crash test. Its a bumper test, to see how well the bumpers are built. This is stuff that would affect fender benders. The TSX bumpers are considered "poor", which means they are easily damaged I guess. The article concluded that building a better bumper is very easy, but it seems paying more for a car doesnt mean getting a better bumper as the cheaper cars did better than the more expensive cars.
So what does it really mean? Well maybe insurance for the TSX is going to go up
#10
atlatr, you scared the crap out of me!
I had to visit the NBC site just to see for myself.
Glad this was only the test for bumpers. If the TSX had been given a "Poor" for the offset crash, I would have freaked out....and then questioned how the heck the Europeans test the cars (since the Accord got like a 4 star rating in basically the same test the IIHS does).
However, the "Poor" rating of the bumpers is a bit disappointing. I guess it's one area where the 6 beats the TSX out.....one of the only.
I had to visit the NBC site just to see for myself.
Glad this was only the test for bumpers. If the TSX had been given a "Poor" for the offset crash, I would have freaked out....and then questioned how the heck the Europeans test the cars (since the Accord got like a 4 star rating in basically the same test the IIHS does).
However, the "Poor" rating of the bumpers is a bit disappointing. I guess it's one area where the 6 beats the TSX out.....one of the only.
#15
not only did the TSX get a poor... but the engineers at Acura put extra padding specifically where where they knew the bumper test impact would take place. the testers offset the impact a bit to avoid the extra padding and the TSX scored a POOR.
maybe I should rebadge my TSX to TSUX.
maybe I should rebadge my TSX to TSUX.
#18
So, does this mean I am going to get a letter from my insurance company saying that they based my rate on the assumption the TSX would at least be "acceptable" and now my rates are going to go up???? :'(
And...I have been telling everyone at work how I love my car and its a great value and they are going to give me such s%#t tomorrow.
And...I have been telling everyone at work how I love my car and its a great value and they are going to give me such s%#t tomorrow.
#19
Originally posted by jonredraider
So, does this mean I am going to get a letter from my insurance company saying that they based my rate on the assumption the TSX would at least be "acceptable" and now my rates are going to go up???? :'(
And...I have been telling everyone at work how I love my car and its a great value and they are going to give me such s%#t tomorrow.
So, does this mean I am going to get a letter from my insurance company saying that they based my rate on the assumption the TSX would at least be "acceptable" and now my rates are going to go up???? :'(
And...I have been telling everyone at work how I love my car and its a great value and they are going to give me such s%#t tomorrow.
For now, I am worried about getting hit from behind in my TSX. The repair bill on that won't be pretty.
#20
Originally posted by Agent_Chen
For now, I am worried about getting hit from behind in my TSX. The repair bill on that won't be pretty.
For now, I am worried about getting hit from behind in my TSX. The repair bill on that won't be pretty.
#22
http://www.hwysafety.org/news%5Frele...4/pr022904.htm
The Chevy Malibu received all of $150 LESS damage in the 4 tests. I'd be extremely happy if the TSX insurance went DOWN to the Malibu's level!
Remember Volvo's reputation for safety? The Volvo XC90 received $4622 damage in the tests.
http://www.hwysafety.org/news%5Frele...3/pr031803.htm
The Chevy Malibu received all of $150 LESS damage in the 4 tests. I'd be extremely happy if the TSX insurance went DOWN to the Malibu's level!
Remember Volvo's reputation for safety? The Volvo XC90 received $4622 damage in the tests.
http://www.hwysafety.org/news%5Frele...3/pr031803.htm
#23
i missed it, did they also do a crash test for the new TL?
that's pretty stupid for acura/honda engineers. then why does the Accord always get good crash test ratings? am i wrong that i read that the Rsx had good crash ratings?
i guess then i was pretty lucky back in last Nov. 03 when i was rearended in my 6th gen Accord. The bumper didn't fall off, it was just paint damage and the guy's license plate screws got stuck in the Accord's bumper. suffered whiplash, but that's not good.
oh man, i'm thinking the 6th gen Accord was a tank then compared to the Tsx.
that hurts though that it cost more than $1000 to fix the Tsx. i just thought that the cost was high because the Tsx is still a new model and the parts come from Japan.
that's pretty stupid for acura/honda engineers. then why does the Accord always get good crash test ratings? am i wrong that i read that the Rsx had good crash ratings?
i guess then i was pretty lucky back in last Nov. 03 when i was rearended in my 6th gen Accord. The bumper didn't fall off, it was just paint damage and the guy's license plate screws got stuck in the Accord's bumper. suffered whiplash, but that's not good.
oh man, i'm thinking the 6th gen Accord was a tank then compared to the Tsx.
that hurts though that it cost more than $1000 to fix the Tsx. i just thought that the cost was high because the Tsx is still a new model and the parts come from Japan.
#24
Originally posted by bob shiftright
Remember Volvo's reputation for safety? The Volvo XC90 received $4622 damage in the tests.
Remember Volvo's reputation for safety? The Volvo XC90 received $4622 damage in the tests.
#25
I think everyone should stay calm here - regardless of the bumper test results, the TSX is still the same car as before. The chances that we get hit at the bumper are still the same as before. If you get hit at the bumper, then the other person or his/her insurance company will have to pick up the bill anyway. Regardless of the bumper test results, I am still going to drive as safely as I should in my TSX. I don't think I am loving my TSX any more or any less just because of this bumper test...
#27
Originally posted by Crazytree
Can you please remind me what part of "5MPH crash test repair bill" has to do with safety?
Can you please remind me what part of "5MPH crash test repair bill" has to do with safety?
Volvo and Saab both introduced 5mph bumpers a couple of years before they were required to do so by the Feds.
Like the Saab and Volvo engineers, I think my car is just a little bit safer when the headlights and taillights work.
The insurance rating should be based on a car's claims experience, and so far the insurance companies seem to be using the Integra as the model for the TSX risk, and that car had a fairly awful claims history. So a lousy low speed collision result is probably mostly built into the TSX rates already.
From other reports from IIHS: TSX - $3957, Volvo S60- $3635, Lexus IS 300 - $3925, Saab 9-5 - $4092, BMW 328i - $2430, '04 TL - $2932. So every single car I'd consider driving did either "awful" or "just BAD" on the test!
Even the little Honda CR-V that I've been looking at for my kid failed miserably - $6607!
#28
TSX rated Poor in IIHS bumper test
BE CAREFUL IN THE PARKING LOTS??? OUCH
2004 Acura TSX Average cost for (4) tests was $989. OUCH!
2004 Acura TL Average cost for (4) tests was $731.
The TSX sustained the heaviest damage in the rear-into-pole test because the bumper was too weak to protect the car body.
"The bumper couldn't keep the damage away from the trunk and rear body panel," Lund says. "The lid alone cost more than $500 to straighten and refinish. The bumper is supposed to take the hit so the car's fenders and body don't have to."
Another problem is that the TSX's bumpers are nearly flush against the body -- a design favored by some automotive stylists.
"That design may please the styling department, but it's terrible for consumers because it puts expensive sheet metal and safety components such as the headlamps closer to the point of impact in a routine fender-bender."
Link to IIHS website with details:
http://www.hwysafety.org/news_releas...4/pr022904.htm
2004 Acura TSX Average cost for (4) tests was $989. OUCH!
2004 Acura TL Average cost for (4) tests was $731.
The TSX sustained the heaviest damage in the rear-into-pole test because the bumper was too weak to protect the car body.
"The bumper couldn't keep the damage away from the trunk and rear body panel," Lund says. "The lid alone cost more than $500 to straighten and refinish. The bumper is supposed to take the hit so the car's fenders and body don't have to."
Another problem is that the TSX's bumpers are nearly flush against the body -- a design favored by some automotive stylists.
"That design may please the styling department, but it's terrible for consumers because it puts expensive sheet metal and safety components such as the headlamps closer to the point of impact in a routine fender-bender."
Link to IIHS website with details:
http://www.hwysafety.org/news_releas...4/pr022904.htm
#31
No 5 mph bumpers
I think you guys all know why our TSX's look so trim and lith, right? We have 2.5 mph euro bumpers like a Benz or BMW. They are fine for high speed crashes, like in euro tests, where the car is to protect you, not the bumper to protect the car. I was actually surprised we did so well!
#32
Originally posted by dabuda2004
yeah the bad news is starting to spread...
is this the same information from the dateline thread?
yeah the bad news is starting to spread...
is this the same information from the dateline thread?
Yes it is. Lets keep the discussions in one place.
I'll merge the threads.
#33
Sorry, but I just couldn't resist seeing how my Jetta did...
http://www.hwysafety.org/vehicle_rat...eed_smcars.htm
:P
&deity. bless my 5-mph bumpers...
http://www.hwysafety.org/vehicle_rat...eed_smcars.htm
:P
&deity. bless my 5-mph bumpers...
#34
Ah, looks like none of the luxury marques do well in this category...
http://search.hwysafety.org/vehicle_...eed_midlux.htm
http://search.hwysafety.org/vehicle_...eed_midlux.htm
#35
This is what happens when you push for a car that is designed for a different market. The European and Japanese market don't have the same bumper requirements as the US so it should come as no surprise that the TSX did not do that well in the low speed bumper tests. This is also why the Lancer Evo took so long to come to the US (they had to redesign the bumpers to meet crash requirements but also meet the packaging requirements of the intercooler).
#36
So, guess the dealers might be willing to give a bit on price now? (Naw, slick-talkin' sales-pukes will down-play this as being significant.....)
Won't do any good, but I think I might send Acura a letter with my concerns on the quality of the TSX, and yes, having bumpers that are the biggest POS in category is a quality issue....
Won't do any good, but I think I might send Acura a letter with my concerns on the quality of the TSX, and yes, having bumpers that are the biggest POS in category is a quality issue....
#37
Originally posted by gpsiir
So, guess the dealers might be willing to give a bit on price now? (Naw, slick-talkin' sales-pukes will down-play this as being significant.....)
Won't do any good, but I think I might send Acura a letter with my concerns on the quality of the TSX, and yes, having bumpers that are the biggest POS in category is a quality issue....
So, guess the dealers might be willing to give a bit on price now? (Naw, slick-talkin' sales-pukes will down-play this as being significant.....)
Won't do any good, but I think I might send Acura a letter with my concerns on the quality of the TSX, and yes, having bumpers that are the biggest POS in category is a quality issue....
#38
In the U.S., the 5-mph bumper used to be mandated by law, but this was relaxed. (Down with the government! Down with regulations! etc. )
So, what happens now is that cars can be cheaper (the main objection to the regulation -- let the free market decide) and perhaps more stylish, but you end up paying more via higher insurance costs than you "saved" on the less expensive bumper.
So, what happens now is that cars can be cheaper (the main objection to the regulation -- let the free market decide) and perhaps more stylish, but you end up paying more via higher insurance costs than you "saved" on the less expensive bumper.
#39
Oh boy. They just had a news report about this on 10TV here in Columbus Ohio. They specifically said how poor the Acura TSX was. Here is a link...
http://www.iihs.org/news_releases/2004/pr022904.htm
http://www.iihs.org/news_releases/2004/pr022904.htm