TSX-Bashing IS300ers!!
#1
TSX-Bashing IS300ers!!
Hey guys, i was going thru the IS300 Forum and this is what they've been discussing:
mickey513 wrote:
"The IS300 defintely needs a restyling and soon. Even the TSX outsold the Is for the year and the TSX been out not even half a year. thats only cause it just debuted, wait till dudes relize it sucks"
Another guy wrote:
"I haven't driven a V6 Accord, but the TSX sucked, and felt damn slow."
Pisses me off.
mickey513 wrote:
"The IS300 defintely needs a restyling and soon. Even the TSX outsold the Is for the year and the TSX been out not even half a year. thats only cause it just debuted, wait till dudes relize it sucks"
Another guy wrote:
"I haven't driven a V6 Accord, but the TSX sucked, and felt damn slow."
Pisses me off.
#4
look at it this way. every car, house, shirt, shoes movie, tv show , whatever thing that you liked someone else thinks is horrible, ugly, slow, stupid, too big, too small etc. then stop caring what they think as long as you like it.
#5
Originally posted by tony4311
look at it this way. every car, house, shirt, shoes movie, tv show , whatever thing that you liked someone else thinks is horrible, ugly, slow, stupid, too big, too small etc. then stop caring what they think as long as you like it.
look at it this way. every car, house, shirt, shoes movie, tv show , whatever thing that you liked someone else thinks is horrible, ugly, slow, stupid, too big, too small etc. then stop caring what they think as long as you like it.
my personal opinion, i considered the IS300 i think the exterior looks awsome in many ways, i absolutly hate the insturment cluster!
the interior is very classy in fact my mom has a blask IS with tan interior and my TSX is exactly the same. i couldnt say for sure which one i liked better they are both very nice.
the I-6 of the IS has more torque and that is a definite plus and both handel very well. but i live in colorado and i absolutly wouldnt think buying a RWD car here is smart. in fact since the IS came out i bet you i have seen less than 8 on the road in colorado in the past what? 3 years?
i havnt driven the manuel but i think it was a 5 speed.
now lets compare cost and features, the TSX has a better nav system but the IS has a hide away screen but you cant program it while driving.
feature wise i think the TSX has a few more and definitly for less money all around if you equip an IS the same as a TSX.
there is a reason the TSX outsells the IS its simply because you get a better value overall. i can personally say that including the carwash owner i met today that every single person i show my car to cannot belive i paid less than 30 k for it having so many features and so well refined.
never had anything but a totally shocked reaction for anyone that has seen it.
its obvious why it outsells the competition. in fact if you look at the tract record of acura and honda how many new model cars has anyone seen that havnt been sold befor ethey hit the dealer?
the odyssey, pilot, acura TL , TSX, MDX are all hard to get your hands on to buy. most are sold months before they arrive.
it's the same reason consumer guide car and truck magazine rates all but i think 1 honda vehicle as a best buy rating.
you can look at any other manufacturer and i belive honda is the only manufacturer that has over 90% of its cars whos models make the best buy rating.
its not about price exactly but its about best value for your money.
not saying lexus or any other brand is bad but at any price point there is a matter of what did you get for your money.
anyone who says thats only cause it just debuted, wait till dudes relize it sucks"
is obviously a fool because anyone that makes a 30K purchase im sure found the car to be adequet on many levels before putting their john hancock on the paper to claim ownership.
just because a car lacks a few foot lbs of torque and HP doesnt make it suck by any means. the person that is more worried about how fast it goes should be more worried about their driving prevledges rather than the proformance of the car.
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#10
Originally posted by gilboman
well...they are right about the TSX feeling and being slow.
well...they are right about the TSX feeling and being slow.
Gibo sometimes you just say things that make people want to you
The IS300ers can say whatever they want about the TSX, who cares. Much like Gilbo only RWD cars with I6's matter to them and we all know theres no convincing ignornat people.
Yes the IS300 is quicker than a TSX and probly handles better at the limit, but it loses is every other conceivable category.........period.
#11
Originally posted by domn
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Yes the IS300 is quicker than a TSX and probly handles better at the limit, but it loses is every other conceivable category.........period.
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Yes the IS300 is quicker than a TSX and probly handles better at the limit, but it loses is every other conceivable category.........period.
#12
Originally posted by Jab31169
Tell that to IS300 at my office that gets his ass handed to him every day he tries to beat me to the light
Tell that to IS300 at my office that gets his ass handed to him every day he tries to beat me to the light
Please, we all I think want to hear this story and you better tell is quick before the Gilbo's of the world start calling BS.
#14
everyone has their opinion...i say leave it up to the automotive 'experts' to decide which vehicle is better...did IS300 make Car and Drivers '04 10 BEST LIST? umm let's see...
Acura TSX
Audi S4 Quattro
BMW 3-series/M3
Cheverolet Corvette
Ford Focus
Honda Accord
Honda S2000
Infiniti G35
Maxda RX-8
Toyota Prius
NOPE...was IS300 even one of the 57 cars nominated? i would think so, at least give the I300 owners 'something' to cheer about
Acura TSX
Audi S4 Quattro
BMW 3-series/M3
Cheverolet Corvette
Ford Focus
Honda Accord
Honda S2000
Infiniti G35
Maxda RX-8
Toyota Prius
NOPE...was IS300 even one of the 57 cars nominated? i would think so, at least give the I300 owners 'something' to cheer about
#15
Originally posted by dabuda2004
NOPE...was IS300 even one of the 57 cars nominated? i would think so, at least give the I300 owners 'something' to cheer about
NOPE...was IS300 even one of the 57 cars nominated? i would think so, at least give the I300 owners 'something' to cheer about
#16
Originally posted by domn
This is the first we've heard of a TSX beating an IS300 Jab. Is he Auto or Manual?...
This is the first we've heard of a TSX beating an IS300 Jab. Is he Auto or Manual?...
http://us.lexusownersclub.com/forums...t=ST&f=2&t=63&
C&D ran 7.2 secs for 6MT so if 'Jab31169' has 6MT and IS300 was an auto then this should be possible. of course the driver is a factor as well
#17
Originally posted by jcg878
To be nominated, doesn't it have to be a new model, new design, or past winner? The IS300 is none of these.
To be nominated, doesn't it have to be a new model, new design, or past winner? The IS300 is none of these.
#18
Originally posted by domn
I think your right, but I also don't think it was ever placed on the Top 10 list
I think your right, but I also don't think it was ever placed on the Top 10 list
#19
Originally posted by gilboman
well...they are right about the TSX feeling and being slow.
well...they are right about the TSX feeling and being slow.
#23
Re: TSX-Bashing IS300ers!!
Originally posted by SilverCr
Hey guys, i was going thru the IS300 Forum and this is what they've been discussing:
mickey513 wrote:
"The IS300 defintely needs a restyling and soon. Even the TSX outsold the Is for the year and the TSX been out not even half a year. thats only cause it just debuted, wait till dudes relize it sucks"
Another guy wrote:
"I haven't driven a V6 Accord, but the TSX sucked, and felt damn slow."
Pisses me off.
Hey guys, i was going thru the IS300 Forum and this is what they've been discussing:
mickey513 wrote:
"The IS300 defintely needs a restyling and soon. Even the TSX outsold the Is for the year and the TSX been out not even half a year. thats only cause it just debuted, wait till dudes relize it sucks"
Another guy wrote:
"I haven't driven a V6 Accord, but the TSX sucked, and felt damn slow."
Pisses me off.
That said, I think these guys are a little jealous. I mean, there's a bit of buzz going on right now in the auto world for the TSX...something the IS300 doesn't have. They pick on it's "short comings" to boost their morale. But I think every comparison I've read puts it pretty close to even with the IS300 in performance.
I like the "wait till dudes relize it sucks"...Like one of those "I can't believe this car is getting so much attention. It can't be that good...there's gotta be something wrong with it, just wait." Well, they can wait as long as they want.
#24
Don't know about you guys, but as I always do, I compare the handling of both cars and I say IS300's suspension is just way too soft. The handling feel loose. It's definitely not up to TSX's standard. Just compare the lateral acceleration test result. 0.78g (IS300) vs 0.85g (TSX).
#27
Originally posted by Saintor
Honestly, I would also have preferred the TSX tagged 1500$ higher and with the Accord V6 engine.
Honestly, I would also have preferred the TSX tagged 1500$ higher and with the Accord V6 engine.
Acura does make the car you're looking for. It's called a 2004 TL. It's very nearly the same size. And it's considered a good value for $6k more than the TSX. Ok, it has more gadgets, but let's face it, you're paying for mostly the engine upgrade.
#28
I am loyal to Honda/Acura, but there are a couple things I like better about the IS300:
1) Rear wheel drive
2) Shorter BMW-like overhang
3) City lights (those little running lights in the high beam lens)
Other than that, I like the TSX much better. It looks much nicer, has 6 speeds instead of 5, has a higher redline, gets way better mpg, has the cool ambience lighting inside, and the list goes on. Also, I read at least one article that says the TSX runs 0-60 in the same time as the IS. If that's true, it says a lot because the IS is an inline 6 with more hp and way more torque.
1) Rear wheel drive
2) Shorter BMW-like overhang
3) City lights (those little running lights in the high beam lens)
Other than that, I like the TSX much better. It looks much nicer, has 6 speeds instead of 5, has a higher redline, gets way better mpg, has the cool ambience lighting inside, and the list goes on. Also, I read at least one article that says the TSX runs 0-60 in the same time as the IS. If that's true, it says a lot because the IS is an inline 6 with more hp and way more torque.
#29
both are nice cars. Luxury name - Lexus; value - Acura. Nothing wrong with this. I suspect the next version of the IS will be quite a bit larger and probably better equipped for the same price. Love my T however; with winter I have resorted to washing it in the garage.
#30
Originally posted by slats
.....I read at least one article that says the TSX runs 0-60 in the same time as the IS. If that's true, it says a lot because the IS is an inline 6 with more hp and way more torque.
.....I read at least one article that says the TSX runs 0-60 in the same time as the IS. If that's true, it says a lot because the IS is an inline 6 with more hp and way more torque.
#31
I6's are apparently perfectly balanced. I guess thats why BMW engines receive accolades all over the world for there smoothness. But then I wonder, if I6's are so good why even make a V6?
#33
Originally posted by larchmont
A little off the subject, but..... I've never really known what's the deal about Inline vs. V engines, except just what the configurations are. I mean, what are the functional differences? Is one "better" than the other? Is one of them cheaper or easier to produce or to work into the car? Are there advantages/disadvantages to each? (I know this isn't a difference between these two cars -- they're both inline.) Let's see who knows. I don't.
A little off the subject, but..... I've never really known what's the deal about Inline vs. V engines, except just what the configurations are. I mean, what are the functional differences? Is one "better" than the other? Is one of them cheaper or easier to produce or to work into the car? Are there advantages/disadvantages to each? (I know this isn't a difference between these two cars -- they're both inline.) Let's see who knows. I don't.
#34
So, are these two replies basically the whole answer?
Inline is better, but V takes up less space?
BTW I wouldn't have thought that V would necessarily take up less space (other things being equal), just that maybe it's harder to work the rest of the stuff around it. But I woulda thought that was mostly just a geometry issue that carmakers could figure out pretty well.
Inline is better, but V takes up less space?
BTW I wouldn't have thought that V would necessarily take up less space (other things being equal), just that maybe it's harder to work the rest of the stuff around it. But I woulda thought that was mostly just a geometry issue that carmakers could figure out pretty well.
#35
Originally posted by larchmont
So, are these two replies basically the whole answer?
Inline is better, but V takes up less space?
BTW I wouldn't have thought that V would necessarily take up less space (other things being equal), just that maybe it's harder to work the rest of the stuff around it. But I woulda thought that was mostly just a geometry issue that carmakers could figure out pretty well.
So, are these two replies basically the whole answer?
Inline is better, but V takes up less space?
BTW I wouldn't have thought that V would necessarily take up less space (other things being equal), just that maybe it's harder to work the rest of the stuff around it. But I woulda thought that was mostly just a geometry issue that carmakers could figure out pretty well.
Junkster, whose no engine expert.
#36
Originally posted by jcg878
To be nominated, doesn't it have to be a new model, new design, or past winner? The IS300 is none of these.
To be nominated, doesn't it have to be a new model, new design, or past winner? The IS300 is none of these.
#37
The short answer is I-6's are considered "perfectly" balanced because the 6 cylinders are all in a different phase of the stroke. Whereas a V engine is basically 3 + 3 - there are gaps in the power output at any given moment in the stroke that cause vibrations.
V6 is easier to transversely mount, which reduces the length of the engine bay. The form factor allows for better packaging, if not necessarily chasis balance.
V6 is easier to transversely mount, which reduces the length of the engine bay. The form factor allows for better packaging, if not necessarily chasis balance.
#39
Originally posted by larchmont
So, are these two replies basically the whole answer?
Inline is better, but V takes up less space?
So, are these two replies basically the whole answer?
Inline is better, but V takes up less space?
If you're building FWD cars, an I-6 can be a challenge to fit in the engine bay in a transverse configuration. Volvo does it, and Suzuki in the Verona but not too many others. I think when Audi did it, it installed the motors longitudinal.
A well-engineered V6 can be much smoother than a crude I-6, and there are plenty of crude I-6s around, think Ford's famous 300cid I-6 ohv truck motor!
A well-engineered V12, essentially two I-6s on the same crankshaft, can be smooth as glass.