i'm planning on getting a premium white pearl TSX in a couple weeks. i'm not sure if i should get it with the factory spoiler or without. i think with or without, the TSX still looks great. alot of the premium white pearl TSX's that i have seen have no spoiler, why is that?
any suggestions or opinions would be great, thnx.

I just got the pearl/white, tan & wood interior without the spoiler. They look good either way. Personally I didnt think the spoiler was worth the money.

I think M3 lip spoiler looks very nice particularly on PWP, and cheaper too. Do a search on M3 lip, 46 inch I believe, either on this forum or eBay.

One of many TSXs with the lip spoiler.. this one is my favorite

I agree with heli - looks great in white

lip spoiler is MUCH cheaper too if that's a factor

I really like the looks of that. How easy is it to install?

extremely easy - even I did it

do they come painted?

Unfortunately no (IMO)... That's why I haven't gotten it...

You have to bring it to the dealership to get it painted?

Any bodyshop will do. It's a matter of paint quality and cost. Just provide them the paint code. I believe the lip comes in primed and ready to paint

I just can't get fired up about a spoiler on the trunk of a 200HP FWD car.

The MPG is low enough already.

Now side skirts...

Thank you.... Especially one that costs $600+

NO SPOILER!!! Looks better IMO.

I'm gonna have to take the side of the no spoiler crew. I had a full lower kit on mine, but didn't put a spoiler because I think the trunk is high enough already. The lip spoiler does look pretty good, but it's so subtle that it might not get noticed, so is it worth it?

Also, I found out all spoilers are put on at the dealership. There is no factory installed spoiler, at least that's what I was told. So you could save some money and do it yourself, they are $473.88 here.
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Hopefully, the OEM lip spoiler will be available separately from the A-Spec package. Anyone know when that will be?

I'd say yes to the spoiler. I just got my black on black MT last week with spoiler and full body kit. I told the dealer I'd buy those extras along with the car if he cut me some kind of deal on them (after negotiating the price of the car), so I got them cheaper (not sure how much cheaper off hand), though still overpriced IMO. I like the spoiler, but what really does it is the front lower, i think it makes a big difference...I'm working on getting some pics.

I think the TSX has a nice ass that shouldnt be messed with

I'm a big fan of the rear wing spoiler. I know I'm going to get flak for that, but I think it's a personal thing. I'm getting either the A-Spec (which is out now, by the way) or the underbody kit with spoiler. I know some people think the ass is high enough as it is, but most of the TSX's I've seen don't have them. I just think it looks more aggressive without being one of the those obtrusive "tuner" wings. Those are ridiculous.

The lip spoiler is kinda pointless to me. It's barely noticeable unless you're right on top of it, and it doens't really add anything to the car.

I don't understand why you would say that it's pointless on a 200HP FWD? MPG is low enough already?? What? First, the MPG is one of the highest in its class, and I don't see it being 200HP and FWD has anything to do with it. Maybe I'm just ignorant.

Some cars look better with the wing spoiler, some don't. I think the TSX looks good either way, but I opted to not get the wing spoiler. Instead, I got the OEM body kit. I like it this way.

first off i just want to say u guys and gals are awesome, thanks so much for the feedback. i agree with most of you that the car looks way better with the underbody kit, definately gonna link that up when buying the car. still undecided about the rear spoiler tho... would anybody have pics of the car with the rear spoiler?

once again thnxs to everybody for their input

I saw a black one the other day with the spoiler. I think it looks too big.

ehhh, to each his (or her) own... no correct answer to this one

I'm in the "no spoiler" camp. Anything that adds drag IMO doesn't belong there. All it does is negate fuel efficiency. Same goes for body kit.

Being FWD has nothing to do with it actually. Last time I checked a car could always benefit from added downforce, be it front or rear, regardless of whether it is FWD, RWD, or AWD. You may have to play with the roll couple a little, but pretty much any car could benefit from some aero in cornering. (Although most OEM and aftermarket spoilers are just aesthetics anyway...) :thinking:

The point of mentioning FWD is that this car isn't exactly a tail-happy Camaro SS. If you want to help yourself, put some downforce on the front of the car and cut some of that understeer. The rear end sticks just fine, thanks.

That and this spoiler doesn't do crap as far as downforce.

Honestly, 99% of stock spoilers don't do a thing as far as downforce. I have a wing spoiler on my current car, and I haven't noticed any difference in MPG between ours and our neighbor's which has the same car with no spoiler. Huh.

So why spend $600 for a cosmetic? The original poster said that the car looks good with or without the spoiler--so people are saying that he shouldn't get it.

So how often do you and your neighbor drive the same route in the same way in order to compare mpg? Are your tire pressures the same?

I really wish there was an intermediate option. I think the OEM Wing is a little too tall, and the M3 lip is a little too subtle.

Our tire pressures must be relatively close because theirs is brand new and we just filled ours. My wife dives the car back and forth to work, and our neighbor works in the same area and they take the same route. Sure, diving differences come into play, but we both average about 21 MPG.

I'm in a fortunate enough position to be able to spend the $600 on something because we think it looks cool. Stupid and impetuous? Probably. But we're able to, so why not?

I had the oem spoiler in my 03 CL-S because without it the rear was too roundish. The spoiler made it look 100x better IMO.
With the TSX though, I think it makes the rear look too tall. The car looks squished up enough as it is!

I viscerally HATE spoilers on a sedan. They is tasteless and always RICEY. You won't see them on a 3-series or A4. It automatically gives the owner a bad image to my eyes. A lip is more acceptable. This is a reason why I am reluctant to be attracted by the Mazda6; 75% of them have them.

Hi, I am new here, I just bought a pearl white TSX w/nav yesterday, I came from s2ki.com, do you guys have any local forums or ??? I really don't plan on modding my car like I did w/my S2000, costs to much, but I did buy the underbody spoiler kit....w/out the rear spoiler, I think it looks better...IMO. But hello anyways!!

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I've the spoiler. It looks pretty good. It's really not that tall. It looks nice on the TSX. At first I didn't like the way the car looked without the spoiler, but I have seen many cars without it and it has grown on me. The TSX looks good with and without the spoiler.

I have seen other cars that don't look good with a spoiler, like Saab 900 hatch back, but not the TSX.

I am not so sure about the drap with the spoiler. I think the driving habits of the driver plays a much bigger role.

The spoiler came from racing as a way to create downforce on the driving wheels of high-powered RWD race cars. This trickled down to street cars, most noticeably in the early 80's as the 911 whale-tail was the epitome of spoilage.

A front-wheel-drive car with a spoiler is like a transvestite wearing a padded bra - even if she looks damn good, there really isn't anything there to work with.

On a top-speed car, a spoiler might be good to create downforce - but only on a massively-powered Bonneville track racer. Hence the 200HP comment.

However, spoilers create downforce by adding turbulence - which equals additional drag. Your Cd goes up with a spoiler, decreasing efficiency, and therefore, decreasing fuel economy. Side skirts, on the other hand, help create a low-pressure area under the car that sucks the car onto the road, lessening the chances of losing traction or control.

I don't know if you were ignorant before, but you're not now. Bored maybe...; )

I hope you're not for real on this one, huh?

How much mpg do you get with your spoilered car? I don't have one and I get 38.5 mpg on my 6MT. Does that make my comparison any more valid than yours? No. here's why:

When my wife drives my car she gets 5-10 mpg less than I do, driving in a similar fashion as I do. When I jump in her Tercel, I get 5-10 mpg better than what she does.

So what does that show? Even if you had the same car, 2 drivers would get different performances. Imagine comparing 2 different drivers with 2 different cars. You cannot then just go out and say a spoiler does or doesn't make a difference, you're just throwing that up in the air with absolutely no data to prove it.

You need to take the 2 cars, test them yourself on the same track, the same day, drive the exact same way and see what difference you get. Then you'll know.

First of all, I have neither the time nor the inclination to "go to the track." I made the comparison because it's the same model car with the same engine, and I have no interest in getting that in-depth with it. If it's any better a comparison, we had the same model car the year before (same engine, same curb weight, same CoD) with no spoiler and still had about the MPG from the old one to the one we have now. Second, I find it very hard to believe that you're getting 38MPG in a TSX unless you live uphill from everything you drive to and drive ONLY highway, but I can't make that conlusion because I don't know you or your driving situation, nor do you mine, and it really doesn't matter what you get for MPG anyway, as it doesn't apply to my comparison.

I made the comment that it doesn't make any difference in DOWFORCE because 1) the wing's not big enough to really make a difference, and 2) in real-life driving, you don't get fast enough for there to be much additional downforce from a stock wing.

I wasn't trying to "scientific." I was making a real-world comparison that holds true for me in my everyday real life driving conditions. It's really not that damn big of a deal.

You had better believe it dude.

And it does apply to your comparison, because obviously, my driving style is different than yours. Same goes with your neighbor, same even goes with my wife.

So when you say there is 99% no difference between a car with or without a spoiler, you may well be right about it, I'm not arguing this, it's when you bring up the comparisone between you and your neighbor to proves what you're saying that I'm pointing at. It means nothing. Bring in a more solid argument or don't bring any at all, then I'll just assume it's your opinion.

1) Both of you guys need to try decaf. : )

2) It should be obvious that any such comparison is based on the assumption of all other things being equal.

3) As such, I don't want the MPG on MY car to get any worse, so I won't be putting a spoiler on it.