RWD and snow (beware: Possible flaming!)
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RWD and snow (beware: Possible flaming!)
So, like we had a party today, scheduled a long time ago, and we already had one snow cancellation and we didn't want to cancel again, so even though it was snowing pretty bad we had it anyway.
Everybody made it, except the guy with the BMW.
Everybody made it, except the guy with the BMW.
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Originally posted by SilverTSXinPA
Damn, I have a TSX and I didn't make it either.
Damn, I have a TSX and I didn't make it either.
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Last Thursday, we just had a pretty big snow in the morning. On my way to work, I was following this G35 coupe on Northern State Parkway, damn that car was fine!!!
Too bad it handled like shit.
Too bad it handled like shit.
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Originally posted by larchmont
So, like we had a party today, scheduled a long time ago, and we already had one snow cancellation and we didn't want to cancel again, so even though it was snowing pretty bad we had it anyway.
Everybody made it, except the guy with the BMW.
So, like we had a party today, scheduled a long time ago, and we already had one snow cancellation and we didn't want to cancel again, so even though it was snowing pretty bad we had it anyway.
Everybody made it, except the guy with the BMW.
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Re: Re: RWD and snow (beware: Possible flaming!)
Originally posted by Buff-Daddy
The funny thing is that larch never thought for one second that the guy with the BMW probably just found a better party to go to! Hey, at least the guy was trying to protect your feelings. See how nice and thoughtful BMW owners are...
The funny thing is that larch never thought for one second that the guy with the BMW probably just found a better party to go to! Hey, at least the guy was trying to protect your feelings. See how nice and thoughtful BMW owners are...
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Re: Re: RWD and snow (beware: Possible flaming!)
Originally posted by Buff-Daddy
The funny thing is that larch never thought for one second that the guy with the BMW probably just found a better party to go to! Hey, at least the guy was trying to protect your feelings. See how nice and thoughtful BMW owners are...
The funny thing is that larch never thought for one second that the guy with the BMW probably just found a better party to go to! Hey, at least the guy was trying to protect your feelings. See how nice and thoughtful BMW owners are...
Larch's parties are legendary. The VIP room is unmatched while the snacks are to die for.
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well, for the 2 weeks a year ther eis snow on the ground...Ill drive my civic. The rest of the time when the roads are clear...I'll be ripping it up in my RWD G35 coupe!!
That is the reason we are looking into the TSX. We need a car that can handle the snow and still be fun in the summertime!!
That is the reason we are looking into the TSX. We need a car that can handle the snow and still be fun in the summertime!!
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well, for the 2 weeks a year ther eis snow on the ground...Ill drive my civic. The rest of the time when the roads are clear...I'll be ripping it up in my RWD G35 coupe!!
That is the reason we are looking into the TSX. We need a car that can handle the snow and still be fun in the summertime!!
well, for the 2 weeks a year ther eis snow on the ground...Ill drive my civic. The rest of the time when the roads are clear...I'll be ripping it up in my RWD G35 coupe!!
That is the reason we are looking into the TSX. We need a car that can handle the snow and still be fun in the summertime!!
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So RWD owners should laugh everytime we see a FWD car in an accident in the dry?
So RWD owners should laugh everytime we see a FWD car in an accident in the dry?
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While I am TSX owner, I do not think that any RWD owner could seriously debate the advantages of front wheel drive in the snow. At the same time, I would not argue that a properly balanced RWD with a limited slip differential can exhibit superior handling. One thing that has always amazed me is that, in europe, germany being no exception, they do get a considerable amount of snow and still produce the majority of the rear wheel drive performance sedans. In the mid 80's I was working in Belgium and we had MB E class (strippos with non power windows) in our company fleet. I do not recall having excessive trouble getting around in the snow with that RWD system. It was not as good as the FWD cars but not "undriveable" either. It also did not have wide performance tires.
It is important to keep in mind that ultimately it is the weight per square inch of contact that greatly impact traction. So wide performance tires will reduce the lbs/sq.in reducing the efficacy of the vehicles traction. Also, limited slip, or some method to deliver power to both rear wheels makes a dramatic difference. In the worst snows in europe, it is not uncommon for folks to add weight (a bag or two of sand too the trunk etc) to enhance traction.
It does amaze me though how Acura/Honda is able to so balance their vehicles that the major disadvantages of FWD seem to melt away at anything less than 10/10ths. And, lets face it, most of us do not hit 10/10ths very often, and even fewer have the rquisite skills to take advantage of 10/10ths in any vehicle.
The bottom line is this: The benefits of RWD handling in the real world is very much like pissing in a dark grey suit...It gives you a nice warm feeling, but nobody really notices.
It is important to keep in mind that ultimately it is the weight per square inch of contact that greatly impact traction. So wide performance tires will reduce the lbs/sq.in reducing the efficacy of the vehicles traction. Also, limited slip, or some method to deliver power to both rear wheels makes a dramatic difference. In the worst snows in europe, it is not uncommon for folks to add weight (a bag or two of sand too the trunk etc) to enhance traction.
It does amaze me though how Acura/Honda is able to so balance their vehicles that the major disadvantages of FWD seem to melt away at anything less than 10/10ths. And, lets face it, most of us do not hit 10/10ths very often, and even fewer have the rquisite skills to take advantage of 10/10ths in any vehicle.
The bottom line is this: The benefits of RWD handling in the real world is very much like pissing in a dark grey suit...It gives you a nice warm feeling, but nobody really notices.
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Originally posted by SilverTSXinPA
....The bottom line is this: The benefits of RWD handling in the real world is very much like pissing in a dark grey suit...It gives you a nice warm feeling, but nobody really notices.
....The bottom line is this: The benefits of RWD handling in the real world is very much like pissing in a dark grey suit...It gives you a nice warm feeling, but nobody really notices.
"The benefits of RWD handling in the real world is very much like pissing in a dark grey suit" -- True or False.
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lol. How about a poll:
"The benefits of RWD handling in the real world is very much like pissing in a dark grey suit" -- True or False.
lol. How about a poll:
"The benefits of RWD handling in the real world is very much like pissing in a dark grey suit" -- True or False.
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