View Poll Results: Non preforated parts, real leather or vynol?
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Leather or Pleather?
11-09-2005, 03:46 PM
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Leather or Pleather?
As fdl put it awhile back...
I happen to agree while others think the entire interior is real leather. Acura officially calls the TSX "Leather Trimmed" which to me indicates some but not all leather.
Lets vote
All the perforated parts are real leather. So the middle of the seats....small part of doors...steering wheel wrap, shift knob wrap. All real leather.
The rest of the seats ... (the non-perforated part) ...sides...headrest, back...are not real leather. They are leatherette...aka...vynol.
The rest of the seats ... (the non-perforated part) ...sides...headrest, back...are not real leather. They are leatherette...aka...vynol.
I happen to agree while others think the entire interior is real leather. Acura officially calls the TSX "Leather Trimmed" which to me indicates some but not all leather.
Lets vote
11-09-2005, 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by feliz
My neighbour, who happens to be a saddle maker, has looked at all three of my Acuras and ensures me that only the actual seating surface is leather and the remainder vinyl.
My son who repairs car interiors for the car rental companies has of course seen my cars and confirmed that only the actual seating surface and the part your back contacts is leather. I can't really tell the difference but the first time my son saw my car he could tell the minute the door was opened that most of the seat's surfaces weren't leather.
Because of this I use products made for leather (Lexol) on the leather and vinyl products (303) on the vinyl.
This has to be one of the most discussed subjects on all acura forums.
My son who repairs car interiors for the car rental companies has of course seen my cars and confirmed that only the actual seating surface and the part your back contacts is leather. I can't really tell the difference but the first time my son saw my car he could tell the minute the door was opened that most of the seat's surfaces weren't leather.
Because of this I use products made for leather (Lexol) on the leather and vinyl products (303) on the vinyl.
This has to be one of the most discussed subjects on all acura forums.
11-09-2005, 04:00 PM
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My take on it:
Perforated seat portions: Leather
Rest of seating surface (bolstering: high-grade vinyl - similar to the "fake" leather used in parts of some BMW's)
Back and sides of seats: vinyl (noticeably different than the bolstering, which in itself is noticeable different than the perforated leather!).
Door inserts: vinyl, IMO
Shift knob: Leather
Steering Wheel: Leather
Rear seating surface (90% of the rear): Leather.
Armrest (front and back): Vinyl
Perforated seat portions: Leather
Rest of seating surface (bolstering: high-grade vinyl - similar to the "fake" leather used in parts of some BMW's)
Back and sides of seats: vinyl (noticeably different than the bolstering, which in itself is noticeable different than the perforated leather!).
Door inserts: vinyl, IMO
Shift knob: Leather
Steering Wheel: Leather
Rear seating surface (90% of the rear): Leather.
Armrest (front and back): Vinyl
11-09-2005, 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by CGTSX2004
I think that the surfaces that you sit on are leather and everything else (sides, back, headrests, etc.) are leatherette.
So you voted Pleather right?
Just want to make sure I was clear.
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11-09-2005, 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by CGTSX2004
I think that the surfaces that you sit on are leather and everything else (sides, back, headrests, etc.) are leatherette.
I have never thought the the actual side edges and backs of the seats were real leather, but I do believe the entire seating surface (even the non-perforated parts) are leather. Hence, I voted "leather".
11-09-2005, 06:03 PM
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Do you think Accord's are only part leather too?
The entire seat is real leather, I think we debate this a billion times a year.
Pleather will not soak up leather conditioner, I know I had pleather before. And all surfaces on the TSX seats soak up the conditioner in my car.
The entire seat is real leather, I think we debate this a billion times a year.
Pleather will not soak up leather conditioner, I know I had pleather before. And all surfaces on the TSX seats soak up the conditioner in my car.
11-09-2005, 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by MrChad
The entire seat is real leather, I think we debate this a billion times a year.
11-09-2005, 06:31 PM
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It's right there on the website, and has always been.
It is leather trimmed
http://www.acura.com/models/model_sp...asp?module=tsx
It is leather trimmed
http://www.acura.com/models/model_sp...asp?module=tsx
11-09-2005, 06:32 PM
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To be clear. IMO ONLY the preforated parts are leather. The leg and back bolsters are IMO not leather.
Either way my seats are holding up beautifully so I could care less.
Either way my seats are holding up beautifully so I could care less.
11-09-2005, 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Nikki
It's right there on the website, and has always been.
It is leather trimmed]
It is leather trimmed]
11-09-2005, 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by feliz
Good post Nikki, some poeple just don't want to believe it though no matter what the evidence.
feliz so what are your thoughts on the side bolsters? The parts that touches your outer thighs and back?
11-09-2005, 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by CGTSX2004
I think that the surfaces that you sit on are leather and everything else (sides, back, headrests, etc.) are leatherette.
(The sides and back that do not touch you are vinyl, I presume.)
There should be another poll entry for this one, in addition to the other two. Like STL, in lieu of a proper polling question, I'll choose "leather" if it'll tick some of y'all off.
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11-09-2005, 07:49 PM
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'Leather Trimmed' could mean everything is leather and there is leather trimming in the doors, leather trimming on the shift knob and on leather trimming on the steering wheel.
Trim could mean other parts of the car is trimmed with leather as well as the perferated seats since it says 'leather trimmed interior'.
Trim could mean other parts of the car is trimmed with leather as well as the perferated seats since it says 'leather trimmed interior'.
11-09-2005, 08:23 PM
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Which parts of seats are leather? Get your nose close enough and inhale. Despite efforts, leather smell (i) is not easy to imitate and (ii) remains distinct even in polyurethane-covered leathers.
11-09-2005, 08:41 PM
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Pleather gives and streacvhes, leather wrinkles but streaches less. The seating surfaces are leather, this means the perforated and non-peforated parts on the faces. The sides and seat back are pleather.
In the back seat, the surfaces you touch ar leather, but the little area over the (folded) armrest is pleather.
On the doors, the perforated material is pleathet, but the armrest pad is leather.
In the back seat, the surfaces you touch ar leather, but the little area over the (folded) armrest is pleather.
On the doors, the perforated material is pleathet, but the armrest pad is leather.
11-09-2005, 09:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Colin
Pleather gives and streacvhes, leather wrinkles but streaches less. The seating surfaces are leather, this means the perforated and non-peforated parts on the faces. The sides and seat back are pleather.
11-09-2005, 09:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Colin
Pleather gives and streacvhes, leather wrinkles but streaches less. The seating surfaces are leather, this means the perforated and non-peforated parts on the faces. The sides and seat back are pleather.
In the back seat, the surfaces you touch ar leather, but the little area over the (folded) armrest is pleather.
On the doors, the perforated material is pleathet, but the armrest pad is leather.
In the back seat, the surfaces you touch ar leather, but the little area over the (folded) armrest is pleather.
On the doors, the perforated material is pleathet, but the armrest pad is leather.
11-10-2005, 12:55 PM
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Gibson, believe me. Except for the door inserts, everyplace your body touches will be leather
11-10-2005, 01:32 PM
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I heard that sometimes a thread runs it's course, and you need to close it
11-10-2005, 02:16 PM
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Heres some new insight. If you look at the TL, as well as the RSX options, they both say P-Leather trimmed seats as well. I couldn't find where it talked about seating in the RL though. However, perhaps its better if we asked what kind of leather/pleather/vinyl is on TL and RSX users. However, when I was looking at the RSX - options were leather or not for 1200 - If its not really full leather, are they ripping them off?
11-10-2005, 02:25 PM
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I think i figured it out...It has to be all leather. Notice the following
2 acura cars do not have perferated leather are the RL and the MDX
However both cars have leather interiors.
3 acura cars that do have perferated leather are the TL TSX and RSX
the 2 cars that do not do not list "leather trimmed" or "leather seating"
the 3 cars taht do have per-leather state clearly "per-leather trimmed"
Conclusion - they are listing "per-leather" as and added feature of the sportier cars because it helps the seat breathe when you're pushing the car to its fullest power.
So what does that mean?
Per-leather trim does not mean that the cars are only partially leather - it means that the leather seats have per-leather (the holes for breathability) as an added feature.
Which means that all acura cars use real leather, its just that the "Trim" means that its different from the regular non-per leather. That is probably why its listed under TL, TSX, and RSX and no mentioning of leather trimmed or what not for the RL and the MDX because they do not have the feature of "per-leather trim" seats.
2 acura cars do not have perferated leather are the RL and the MDX
However both cars have leather interiors.
3 acura cars that do have perferated leather are the TL TSX and RSX
the 2 cars that do not do not list "leather trimmed" or "leather seating"
the 3 cars taht do have per-leather state clearly "per-leather trimmed"
Conclusion - they are listing "per-leather" as and added feature of the sportier cars because it helps the seat breathe when you're pushing the car to its fullest power.
So what does that mean?
Per-leather trim does not mean that the cars are only partially leather - it means that the leather seats have per-leather (the holes for breathability) as an added feature.
Which means that all acura cars use real leather, its just that the "Trim" means that its different from the regular non-per leather. That is probably why its listed under TL, TSX, and RSX and no mentioning of leather trimmed or what not for the RL and the MDX because they do not have the feature of "per-leather trim" seats.
11-10-2005, 02:26 PM
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^^ oh yeah, same goes for the NSX also. You'll notice what I mean if you go through the interior specs of every car. Only those with per-leather list it as a feature (a bonus).
11-10-2005, 02:33 PM
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If most of us are not sure and have to guess what's leather and what's not, then that stuff is as good as leather to most of us.... since we can't tell anyway
I think only the perforated parts are leather... After all, they said perforated leather, that means there's no perforated vinyl or un-perforated leather....
I think only the perforated parts are leather... After all, they said perforated leather, that means there's no perforated vinyl or un-perforated leather....
11-10-2005, 02:34 PM
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I heard that sometimes a thread runs it's course, and you need to close it
Ya but that hasn't happened here yet since we still don't know what parts of the damn seats are vynol.
11-10-2005, 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by supraken
If most of us are not sure and have to guess what's leather and what's not, then that stuff is as good as leather to most of us....
I've heard of a few people having problems with the seats but mine are still in great shape after 2 1/2 years, 75,000km's and dealing with my fat ass day in and out.
11-10-2005, 02:43 PM
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On the new Acura site it says nothing that might imply that any part of the seat is vinyl. "Every comfortable, supportive seat is upholstered in hand-selected leather." I don't have an opinion on this but it seems that Acura does.
11-10-2005, 03:17 PM
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Take your car to anyone that works with leather and they'll tell you pretty quickly what's leather and what's not, that's what I did. I personally can't tell the difference.
As a previous poster stated, if you have to look that hard it doesn't matter!!
Like premium vs regular or synthetic vs dino, this has been discussed on acura forums at least since 98 (that I know of) and will continue to be discussed. I don't have my TSX yet but on my CL, TL-S, and MDX it's only the actual square insert in the seat and back that's leather, on some cars it's perforated and on others like my CL it's not. I can't speak with authority on the TSX as I don't have one yet, hopefully next week, but when I do I'll take it to my saddle maker friend/neighbour and ask him.
As a previous poster stated, if you have to look that hard it doesn't matter!!
Like premium vs regular or synthetic vs dino, this has been discussed on acura forums at least since 98 (that I know of) and will continue to be discussed. I don't have my TSX yet but on my CL, TL-S, and MDX it's only the actual square insert in the seat and back that's leather, on some cars it's perforated and on others like my CL it's not. I can't speak with authority on the TSX as I don't have one yet, hopefully next week, but when I do I'll take it to my saddle maker friend/neighbour and ask him.
11-10-2005, 03:18 PM
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Ya but that hasn't happened here yet since we still don't know what parts of the damn seats are vynol.
Leather trimmed means the seat surfaces are leather. This includes the center section (perforated or not) and the area adjacent to it (bolster). As soon as it turns the corner towards the floor or seatback, it's vinyl. In otherwords, where ever you touch when seated.
11-10-2005, 03:31 PM
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Leather trimmed means the seat surfaces are leather. This includes the center section (perforated or not) and the area adjacent to it (bolster). As soon as it turns the corner towards the floor or seatback, it's vinyl. In otherwords, where ever you touch when seated.[/QUOTE]
You can interpret "leather trimmed" anyway you feel happy about but it doesn't change the fact that in the onsite description they don't say trimmed they say the seats are leather.
You can interpret "leather trimmed" anyway you feel happy about but it doesn't change the fact that in the onsite description they don't say trimmed they say the seats are leather.
11-10-2005, 03:52 PM
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^^ well im fine with that =] It acutally might be this stuff i have at home on my computer chair. It felt like leather and was really good quality, and sold for 1/3 the price of a regular leather chair.