Does the TSX have a black box. Black boxes are also known as electronic data recorders, called EDRs, that track vehicle and driver behavior in a crash.

Info in the Detroit News is at:

Black box data in cars may be used against you

I haven't read anything about or like an EDR in the TSX.

 

Every car in The US and Canada have a black box. One of the thing they record if the speed you were going up to 10 seconds before the air bags deploy. Therefore if you were speeding before you got an accident, you could get into bug problems with your insurance company...

Best Regards

 

Holly shit. I did not know about this. Someone want to shine some light on this?

 

Yes, I remember reading about this in the automotive section of the Chicago Tribune. More car mfgs are installing this device as new models roll out. It was mentioned that Toyota and Honda vehicles have this black box.

 

Where the black boxs are usually placed at?

 

whoa i totally didnt proof read. "Where are the black boxs usually placed?"

 

This is true, but not all black boxes are the same and not all store incriminating data. Check out:

http://slate.msn.com/id/2087207/

C.

 

Some cars have the black box under the passenger seat... Depending of the car brand and model, the black box can be placed somewhere else.

 

anyone find out where the tsx's black box is then?

 

Holy sh*t... i do not like the idea of this...

 

[rant mode]
Please, repeat after me..

THE MEDIA DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FUCK THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT!

There is no such thing as an automobile black box, nor has there ever been. The term "black box" is just used to describe the inherent functionality in Airbags, Engine controllers, and ABS systems for the past 20 years now. Yes, your airbag stores crash data. This helps to do two things: 1) build better airbags, and 2) eliminate the manufacturer from liability in a lawsuit.

Yes, your ABS system knows how fast your car is going... That's how it works, for god's sake. Yes, it can also record maximum speed. It doesn't however do that because that info is useless to manufacturers of such devices.

Yes, your engine controller stores ignition data about your car every time you start your car.

But there is no evil 'black box' underneath your passenger seat... or anywhere else for that matter.

[/rant mode]

 

You can rant all you want, but the simple fact is you are mostly wrong. Evil black boxes do not exist, that is the only thing you typed that was worth while. But your car does record the last 5 seconds of your drive at all times if you have a modern air bag. Case in point http://www.gazette.net/200333/montgo.../172587-1.html specifically lays out how the data will be used in a court case.

EDIT: Forgot this one http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/21...s_there+.shtml

I suggest you at least try to research things before you shoot your fingers off. Might save you some time from typing something silly up.

 

Could this all be a myth??? I don't think so!!! It escapes me what the basis was for totally denying EDRs.

A quick search on Google reveals a number of articles about EDRs:

Some Accident Reconstruction company makes use of them., including vehicle speed, engine speed, seat belt on or off, etc. See their FAQ on Crash Data Recorders.

Privacy Notes Automotive Black Boxes

American Trucking Associations is very concerned about these.

Transport Canada doesn't seem to think it's a myth.

UK suppliers shows that someone is selling them.

It's been widely reported of someone whose speeding was proven by an EDR. Air bag 'black box' nails killer driver .

Aye, methinks it exists at least in some cars and trucks! Now we need to know what the TSX has, if anything.

 

Dude, I work with auto subsuppliers for a living...

I know EXACTLY what gets recorded during daily driving and crash situations. For every bullshit article you produce, I can produce you 10 software engineers that will tell you they're inaccurate. Bet me on it.

I mean, come on! The article you post mentions boxes "attached to a vehicle's air bag and is in most cars and trucks". Do you know how stupid that sounds? What the hell do you think makes the airbags deploy? It's the freaking box! Here's a breakdown of the contents of your mysterious "airbag box"..

1) a 100G accelerometer (crash sensor)
2) a microcontroller (reads crash sensor data, cross-references it with vehicle speed, etc... to figure out if you're really in a crash and what the severity is)

3) a power transistor used to fire the squibs (explosive charges that inflate the bags)

4) some capacitors to keep the box alive for a few seconds in the event of a crash

The microcontroller is responsible for keeping all the data that may be used in a court of law against you. It does far more good than harm, and has been an effective method of system improvement over the past 20 years. Only in sue-happy 21st century do the 'evil black boxes' pose a threat to humanity.

Edited to say: With the exception of the 2008 BMW 7-series sedans, there is no vehicle on the road with a 'black box' whose single purpose is to record driving data.

Every other vehicle on the road with modern ABS, Airbag, or Engine control ECUs record data that is vital to their operation, as well as a little CYA data for the manufacturer. What is so "behind your back" about that?

Overblown hype, I tell ya.

 

Brad - sorry for harping on this thing, but what I'm trying to say is YES. Your TSX has all the essential stuff that can be used to nail you in the event you do something screwed up. You want locations?

1) Your airbag controller is in your steering wheel, behind the bag and the horn. It is about the size of two credit cards sitting next to each other. You cannot disable it or take it out because your airbags won't work without it.

2) your ESP/VSA controller is attached directly to the ABS module underhood, left side. It reads "NISSIN" on top, and has 4 or 5 metal tubes sticking out of it. It knows how fast you are going, and will record this information for storage over at least an 11 year period. the amount of data recorded depends on how many times you drive the car. You also cannot disable this unit, or your ABS won't work.

3) Your engine controller is mounted to the back side of your engine block. It can also record incriminating data, but you, once again, cannot disable it because your engine will not work.

Oh, and if you have Nav, the data from the previous 3 systems can be cross-referenced with GPS data.

Does that help?

 

there is no such thing as a automotive black box..the data eg rpm,speed, throttle position and so forth are stored for a short period of time on you ECU... but there is no physical blackbox type apparatus in a passenger car such as the TSX

 

Thank you for proving my point beyond a shadow of a doubt.

The term black box is widely accepted to mean: Any device that "records" one or more series of data inputs over X period of time.

With that in mind, your little rant stated that "Yes, your ABS system knows how fast your car is going... That's how it works, for god's sake. Yes, it can also record maximum speed. It doesn't however do that because that info is useless to manufacturers of such devices."

The fact is you are/were wrong on that point in general.

In even AGREED with you on the point "But there is no evil 'black box' underneath your passenger seat... or anywhere else for that matter."

You and I are on the same exact song sheet, save for the difference that I know the simple fact that the data stored is being used in actual court cases. Do I give a flying *bleep* that something is being recorded? No. Why? Because if I screw up, I should pay for my mistake, as well as I want them to build better equipment. Do I think the media is putting a spin on this for the sake of selling more comercial time? Oh hell yes I do.

BTW; I have known how airbags worked since they day they were first made available. I happen to be both a software and hardware engineer. How do you think I can afford to drive the cars I do? (and yes that was meant to be slightly funny. Shame text doesn't convey facial expression and tone of voice.)

 

One word: ICONS!




Or, I guess they call them smiles. But what the hell do they know?

 

Icons can be mis-interpeted as well. I generally try to stay away from them so that I don't develope the bad habit of using them in a business enviroment.

 

Not sure what you mean bad habit :'(

and definitely don't see how they can be misinterpreted





BTW, j/k

 

I actually get business related e-mails with piss poor English and IRC/Forum habits. When you are dealing with a $100 million a year factory, I expect people to have a little more common sense about proper e-mail habits. So to aviod making the same mistakes I try to write the same in all venues. Of course that means I sometime come off looking like a snob, goody-to-shoe or arrogant *bleep*hole but I can live with that.

 

Well in that case, your punctuation and capitalization is off Mr. $100 Million.

As as for me... LONG LIVE THE BLACK BOX. I'm a good driver anyways... and if one of these things will help prove that I'm not at fault in an accident... then God bless it.

 

Yes, I missed one comma. Thank you for pointing that out. I will try to do better (no sarcasm intended). But as for capitalization, I am at a loss for what you found.

 

Actually it's more of a grammatical/punctuation error than a per se capitalization omission. Sentence fragment and then a full sentence within a partenthesis following a complete sentence. I expect more from somone of such prestigious standing in the community.

*EDIT*

And just chill... I'm just fucking with you.

 

Thanks. That helps!

Clearly, this topic strikes a raw chord...

 

So basically the black box will help a Court of law determine which party was at fault? Um... isn't that the whole idea of the justice sytem... to determine what party was at fault and compensate the injured party?

LONG LIVE THE BLACK BOX.

 

Yes, this is a real problem. Obviously formal communications will not have these bad internet habits (i would certainly hope!) but in some other businees communications through email I too have noticed some smileys and and IRC abbreviations. In certain circumstances I think its ok, even in a business related email, but usually its not.

The big problem is gong to be with the kids today..who are growing up on the internet and chatting and using text mesaging with cell phones, etc. I think there needs to be more emphasis on proper english in school because of this. I read an article on how teachers are having a real problem with students using chat lingo in papers they write.