Acura TSX vs. Bmw 325i vs. Mercedes C230 Kompressor
03-05-2005, 06:06 AM
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You see more the smoothness of an engine when matched to an automatic. The TSX 5AT is far from being vibration-free as in an autom. BMW I6 or most V6. Sorry it doesn't even compare.
03-05-2005, 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Saintor
You see more the smoothness of an engine when matched to an automatic. The TSX 5AT is far from being vibration-free as in an autom. BMW I6 or most V6. Sorry it doesn't even compare.
03-05-2005, 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by LuxuriousRuski
Replys to your conclusions:
-> 1. Thank you lol
-> 2. Just own a business on ebay, not really a website junkie
-> 3. Yes, I am a single child and my parents do love me lol
-> 1. Thank you lol
-> 2. Just own a business on ebay, not really a website junkie
-> 3. Yes, I am a single child and my parents do love me lol
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Originally Posted by Saintor
Not really; On a stop on Drive, it is a scenario that a manual won't face. And the tranny has nothing to do.
03-05-2005, 01:31 PM
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May will be the first month of E90 3 series sales - so we'll see soon enough how that affects sales. I have a feeling TSX sales will just keep chugging along at 3K/mo unless some great feature will be added to the 06 and people will start waiting for it. C-class sales OTOH....
03-05-2005, 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Saintor
You see more the smoothness of an engine when matched to an automatic. The TSX 5AT is far from being vibration-free as in an autom. BMW I6 or most V6. Sorry it doesn't even compare.
03-05-2005, 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by ianS
What I see the engine smoothest is when it rev to 5000k+ and all the way beyond redline. And I dun see my M52 from my E46 will come any close to my K24A and also not even the H22A from my 6yr old lude.
03-05-2005, 08:55 PM
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People who want a BMW I6 for the price of a TSX should check out the 320i (Canada only).
2.2L, 168 hp, but hey, it's a BMW I6.
http://www.bmw.ca/configurator3/conf...odel_name=320i
Base price is identical to a TSX. But then, when you option it equally to a TSX, it becomes the price of a 270 hp TL. But hey, it's a RWD and an I6.
To me, it's a rip-off.
2.2L, 168 hp, but hey, it's a BMW I6.
http://www.bmw.ca/configurator3/conf...odel_name=320i
Base price is identical to a TSX. But then, when you option it equally to a TSX, it becomes the price of a 270 hp TL. But hey, it's a RWD and an I6.
To me, it's a rip-off.
03-06-2005, 01:47 AM
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i was very close to getting a bmw, but the prospect of being mistaken for a typical bmw owner (aka conformist yuppie metrosexual) literally made me nauseous.
fuckin trolls....
fuckin trolls....
03-06-2005, 06:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Belzebutt
People who want a BMW I6 for the price of a TSX should check out the 320i (Canada only).
2.2L, 168 hp, but hey, it's a BMW I6.
http://www.bmw.ca/configurator3/conf...odel_name=320i
Base price is identical to a TSX. But then, when you option it equally to a TSX, it becomes the price of a 270 hp TL. But hey, it's a RWD and an I6.
To me, it's a rip-off.
2.2L, 168 hp, but hey, it's a BMW I6.
http://www.bmw.ca/configurator3/conf...odel_name=320i
Base price is identical to a TSX. But then, when you option it equally to a TSX, it becomes the price of a 270 hp TL. But hey, it's a RWD and an I6.
To me, it's a rip-off.
03-06-2005, 07:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Saintor
It would be a rip-off if there was not BMW's unsane resale vaue. In fact, a lot of the cost difference will be recouped at resale. Anyway, it is not unexpected to pay 20% more for a premium German brand.
I don't get BMW bashers. BMWs have a premium price because they are premium cars. Ignoring the price, I'll bet most of us would take a 3-series over our TSXs... they have that je ne sais quoi that is often imitated but not quite achieved. It's just that you have to pay a boatload of money to get it.
The C-series on the other hand...
03-06-2005, 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by jcg878
I only read the first and last pages of this oft-argued topic, and saw "unsane" twice
I don't get BMW bashers. BMWs have a premium price because they are premium cars. Ignoring the price, I'll bet most of us would take a 3-series over our TSXs... they have that je ne sais quoi that is often imitated but not quite achieved. It's just that you have to pay a boatload of money to get it.
The C-series on the other hand...
I don't get BMW bashers. BMWs have a premium price because they are premium cars. Ignoring the price, I'll bet most of us would take a 3-series over our TSXs... they have that je ne sais quoi that is often imitated but not quite achieved. It's just that you have to pay a boatload of money to get it.
The C-series on the other hand...
03-06-2005, 12:46 PM
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In fact, I am so pleased to have ridded the BMW and all its higher mid-to-long term maintenance costs and trouble.
03-06-2005, 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Saintor
This I believe easily. Honda owners are spoiled to have a car that will get to 200 000 miles with minimal fuss.
not spoiled...Wise, why have fuss when you dont have too
btw toyotas quite the same in that regard
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Originally Posted by Saintor
It would be a rip-off if there was not BMW's unsane resale vaue. In fact, a lot of the cost difference will be recouped at resale. Anyway, it is not unexpected to pay 20% more for a premium German brand.
http://www.edmunds.com/reviews/list/...7/article.html
03-06-2005, 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by lokman
The BMW's resale value varies with the model. The 7-series takes a huge beating, but the 3- and 5-series are much better. However, that said, a 3-series is only marginally better than a TSX or TL (46% vs 49%), so when you factor in the lower initial cost and the time value of money, the TSX or TL should be able to hold their own (to say nothing of considering the cost of insurance and maintenance).
http://www.edmunds.com/reviews/list/...7/article.html
http://www.edmunds.com/reviews/list/...7/article.html
03-06-2005, 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by lokman
The BMW's resale value varies with the model. The 7-series takes a huge beating, but the 3- and 5-series are much better. However, that said, a 3-series is only marginally better than a TSX or TL (46% vs 49%), so when you factor in the lower initial cost and the time value of money, the TSX or TL should be able to hold their own (to say nothing of considering the cost of insurance and maintenance).
http://www.edmunds.com/reviews/list/...7/article.html
http://www.edmunds.com/reviews/list/...7/article.html
Not that simple. 40000$CAD 2000 TL hardly worth more than 16000$ while 40000$CAD 323i still command 22-25000$CAD over here.
03-06-2005, 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Saintor
Not that simple. 40000$CAD 2000 TL hardly worth more than 16000$ while 40000$CAD 323i still command 22-25000$CAD over here.
03-06-2005, 08:31 PM
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Not that simple. 40000$CAD 2000 TL hardly worth more than 16000$ while 40000$CAD 323i still command 22-25000$CAD over here.
03-07-2005, 12:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Saintor
Not that simple. 40000$CAD 2000 TL hardly worth more than 16000$ while 40000$CAD 323i still command 22-25000$CAD over here.
But still can't discount the fact that BMW (and MB) maintenance costs more $$$ and causes more headahce.
Originally Posted by CGTSX2004
That's because there are that many idiots willing to pay those kinds of prices for a used car that will cost a bundle to maintain.
Yeah, that's probably true in THAT part of Canada that Saintor is in.
03-07-2005, 07:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Saintor
Not that simple. 40000$CAD 2000 TL hardly worth more than 16000$ while 40000$CAD 323i still command 22-25000$CAD over here.
03-07-2005, 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by 05_TSX_GP
You've probably missed my posts then. I owned a E46 325i 5MT sports package and now a 05 TSX 6MT, I do not miss the E46 a bit. In fact, I am so pleased to have ridded the BMW and all its higher mid-to-long term maintenance costs and trouble.
But n=1 (=2 with ianS), and you're complaining about the car's maintenance issues, not driving dynamics.
03-07-2005, 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by sauceman
I'm actually liking the drama here.. 
I'm not but it won't be closed. Just my
These are the same points that have been beaten to death several times already but discussion is better than none I suppose.
03-07-2005, 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by domn
I'm not but it won't be closed. Just my
These are the same points that have been beaten to death several times already but discussion is better than none I suppose.
These are the same points that have been beaten to death several times already but discussion is better than none I suppose.
What I find most interesting is how some people view things from their perspective, and how one arranges their own perspective to justify their tastes/decisions, etc..
03-07-2005, 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by sauceman
Indeed they have!
What I find most interesting is how some people view things from their perspective, and how one arranges their own perspective to justify their tastes/decisions, etc..
What I find most interesting is how some people view things from their perspective, and how one arranges their own perspective to justify their tastes/decisions, etc..
Its human nature, everyone has to justify their decesions, can't fault anyone for doing it.
Although buying a TSX needs NO justification
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Originally Posted by sauceman
Indeed they have!
What I find most interesting is how some people view things from their perspective, and how one arranges their own perspective to justify their tastes/decisions, etc..
What I find most interesting is how some people view things from their perspective, and how one arranges their own perspective to justify their tastes/decisions, etc..
It's a good thing for you guys that I decided to buy a TSX. Otherwise, if had had bought a different car, the TSX would have sucked! You all don't have to thank me at once....
03-07-2005, 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by camoe
It's a good thing for you guys that I decided to buy a TSX. Otherwise, if had had bought a different car, the TSX would have sucked! You all don't have to thank me at once....
Like I said earlier, it goes both ways. Some TSX owners will say (or want to believe would be more accurate) incredible things to explain why they love their cars.
Originally Posted by domn
Its human nature, everyone has to justify their decesions, can't fault anyone for doing it.
Although buying a TSX needs NO justification
Although buying a TSX needs NO justification
03-07-2005, 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by jcg878
Ok, I certainly did. I'm glad you like your TSX
But n=1 (=2 with ianS), and you're complaining about the car's maintenance issues, not driving dynamics.
But n=1 (=2 with ianS), and you're complaining about the car's maintenance issues, not driving dynamics.
Really not bashing cars other than TSX here. I even said I still admire innovations coming from Munich, even after parting ways with my E46 and re-embracing Honda/Acura
03-07-2005, 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by CGTSX2004
I have no qualms with people who like their cars. Just don't try to make your car sound like the god of things on four wheels and everyone will be much happier.
...hope I haven't come across as one of those people though 
Just trying to express my subjective opinions and objective observations as politely as possible.Always happy to be sharing my views, not intending to supress opinions here for sure
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Originally Posted by domn
I'm not but it won't be closed. Just my
These are the same points that have been beaten to death several times already but discussion is better than none I suppose.
These are the same points that have been beaten to death several times already but discussion is better than none I suppose.
in this thread.Also I think it would be a good legit way for a newbie like me to add posts count
p.s. discussions like this are always subjective and never lead to a collective conclusion, but it's the process and interaction that are fun and worthwhile.
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Originally Posted by 05_TSX_GP
Always happy to be sharing my views, not intending to supress opinions here for sure
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Originally Posted by Saintor
Not really; On a stop on Drive, it is a scenario that a manual won't face. And the tranny has nothing to do.
03-08-2005, 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by ClutchPerformer
If it's a scenario that an MT doesn't face, then obviously the tranny DOES have something to do with it.
Well said.