Accord Tourer concept = the next TSX?
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Originally Posted by wackura
I think it will take on a new life with a nice trunk line, especialy if you consider how ugly this beast is:
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Holy shit Batman! that rear overhang is as big as the one on the original Batmobile!
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The tail end of the new concept is much smaller. We'll probably never see it in person anyway.
An article says that sedan and wagon production versions of the Euro Accord will be revealed at the 2008 Geneva Motor Show, which I think is in March. I hope the sedan has a little more in common with the Sports 4 concept. That glass roof with the dome-like shape seemed to good to be true.
Now I'm curious what the next TL will look like.
An article says that sedan and wagon production versions of the Euro Accord will be revealed at the 2008 Geneva Motor Show, which I think is in March. I hope the sedan has a little more in common with the Sports 4 concept. That glass roof with the dome-like shape seemed to good to be true.
Now I'm curious what the next TL will look like.
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It looks pretty good - I think with a 190hp Accord and the usual 40hp premium the TSX gets it on the L4 Accord we should expect 225-235hp. If they jump to a 2.5L or keep the 2.4L; I expect the torque to be no more than 175lb/ft. It makes economical sense for them to use the 2.3T but not much sense from an efficiency standpoint to the consumer. Hopefully they update the 3.0L V6 and use it in the new TSX - I'm not so sure the V6 will weight that much more. My money is on the same old K type engine with about 230hp and 175tq. Not up to par with the higher torque in all of the competitor cars.
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Originally Posted by wackura
The tail end of the new concept is much smaller. We'll probably never see it in person anyway.
An article says that sedan and wagon production versions of the Euro Accord will be revealed at the 2008 Geneva Motor Show, which I think is in March. I hope the sedan has a little more in common with the Sports 4 concept. That glass roof with the dome-like shape seemed to good to be true.
Now I'm curious what the next TL will look like.
An article says that sedan and wagon production versions of the Euro Accord will be revealed at the 2008 Geneva Motor Show, which I think is in March. I hope the sedan has a little more in common with the Sports 4 concept. That glass roof with the dome-like shape seemed to good to be true.
Now I'm curious what the next TL will look like.
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I see a lot of the current TSX/Euro Accord in that concept with a bit of evolutionary change. I think it's a very good indication of what you'll see on the next TSX.
The sedan will be revealed at the Geneva show coming in the new year and that will show more of what we're bound to get in 09.
I have one complaint about the concept and a lot of Honda's other designs over the past few years: the front and rear overhangs -- especially the front. I don't know if anyone else has noticed it, but I can't see any reason for it. I look back at my 93 Civic coupe & 91 Accord and wonder why the newer cars don't have the wheels pushed out further to the front and rear. It would make them look so much nicer!
The sedan will be revealed at the Geneva show coming in the new year and that will show more of what we're bound to get in 09.
I have one complaint about the concept and a lot of Honda's other designs over the past few years: the front and rear overhangs -- especially the front. I don't know if anyone else has noticed it, but I can't see any reason for it. I look back at my 93 Civic coupe & 91 Accord and wonder why the newer cars don't have the wheels pushed out further to the front and rear. It would make them look so much nicer!
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yeah i agree, but the one thing is that the bodystyle change isn't as dramatic as like the US Accord. the new 8th gen US Accord looks nothing like the 7th gen and the 7th gen doesn't look anything like the 6th gen, etc.
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Originally Posted by ryanhook
I have one complaint about the concept and a lot of Honda's other designs over the past few years: the front and rear overhangs -- especially the front. I don't know if anyone else has noticed it, but I can't see any reason for it. I look back at my 93 Civic coupe & 91 Accord and wonder why the newer cars don't have the wheels pushed out further to the front and rear. It would make them look so much nicer!
The rear overhang is getting to be pretty big though, I don't quite have an explanation.
One thing is for sure....god help those people that slam this car and put a body kit on it.
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I agree about the overhang being a little nuts, compare the concept with the mother of distended forward wheel wells:
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On the bright side the current TSX's overhang looks similar to the concept so I think once we see it in person you won't even notice it. I think I'm realy going to like the production version when it comes out. I think it will look tighter and smoother than the concept. which sort of looks formed from playdough as is.
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On the bright side the current TSX's overhang looks similar to the concept so I think once we see it in person you won't even notice it. I think I'm realy going to like the production version when it comes out. I think it will look tighter and smoother than the concept. which sort of looks formed from playdough as is.
#56
Originally Posted by CarbonGray Earl
Alot that front overhang might have to do with pedestrian impact standards coming into effect in Europe, and in the US as well. There has to be more room between the hood and the engine for a collapsable zone that will be less dangerous to pedestrians. In FWD cars, where the engine tends to be further forward, this collapsable zone has the effect of pushing the hood up and the frontend foward, thus creating the overhang.
The rear overhang is getting to be pretty big though, I don't quite have an explanation.
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Isn't she beautiful.
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i saw that Accord wagon when I was in Amsterdam a few months ago in Arctic blue, I had to look away because it almost made me puke. glad they never sold that in the USA.
the current Accord wagon just looks unporportional and odd looking compared to the sedan. but, i have no problem with the volvo cross country wagons
the current Accord wagon just looks unporportional and odd looking compared to the sedan. but, i have no problem with the volvo cross country wagons
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Originally Posted by xjohnkdoex
exactly. why would they want to take away from the RDX market?
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Originally Posted by tsxdriver
cause they're pulling the RDX off the market. it doesn't pass government safety ratings so Acura is scrapping it.
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cause they're pulling the RDX off the market. it doesn't pass government safety ratings so Acura is scrapping it.
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Originally Posted by mrgold35
Too much of a Ford Fusion look to the grille and it looks like a Dodge Magnum from the side. ...
I guess I didn't mind that the TL and TSX looked similar -- I like both styles. Not sure if I want the TSX to match the MDX or RDX...
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It doesn't matter much that it looks like a Dodge Magnum because the wagon version probably won't be sold here. It's everyone else's problem. I wish it was sold here but Honda is depriving us of station wagons for some sick reason.
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Originally Posted by tsxdriver
cause they're pulling the RDX off the market. it doesn't pass government safety ratings so Acura is scrapping it.
NHTSA Releases Model Year 2007 New Crash and Rollover Safety Ratings
Date: 2007-02-13 00:00:00
Contact: http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/
The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration today announced that 24 passenger vehicles for the 2007 model year have received five stars in front and side crash tests, the highest government rating under the agency's New Car Assessment Program.
The newly tested models earning five stars include a seven of four-door passenger vehicles: Dodge Caliber; Ford Five Hundred; Kia Optima; Mercury Montego; Subaru Legacy; Saturn Aura; and the Toyota Camry. In addition, 17 four-door SUV's earned a five star crash test rating for all seating positions: Acura MDX; Acura RDX; Audi Q7; Dodge Nitro; Ford Freestyle; GMC Acadia; Honda CR-V; Honda Element; Hyundai Santa Fe; Infiniti FX35/45; Jeep Grand Cherokee; Kia Sorento; Kia Sportage; Mazda CX-7; Saturn Outlook; Subaru Outback; and the Toyota Highlander.
Date: 2007-02-13 00:00:00
Contact: http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/
The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration today announced that 24 passenger vehicles for the 2007 model year have received five stars in front and side crash tests, the highest government rating under the agency's New Car Assessment Program.
The newly tested models earning five stars include a seven of four-door passenger vehicles: Dodge Caliber; Ford Five Hundred; Kia Optima; Mercury Montego; Subaru Legacy; Saturn Aura; and the Toyota Camry. In addition, 17 four-door SUV's earned a five star crash test rating for all seating positions: Acura MDX; Acura RDX; Audi Q7; Dodge Nitro; Ford Freestyle; GMC Acadia; Honda CR-V; Honda Element; Hyundai Santa Fe; Infiniti FX35/45; Jeep Grand Cherokee; Kia Sorento; Kia Sportage; Mazda CX-7; Saturn Outlook; Subaru Outback; and the Toyota Highlander.
2007 Top Safety Pick Award Winners
The Top Safety Pick Award recognizes vehicles that do the best job of protecting people in front, side and rear crashes based on ratings in the Institute's tests. This year's winners included four cars, seven SUVs, and two minivans; with Honda and Subaru taking three spots each.
The Winners:
Large car: Audi A6, manufactured in Dec. 2006 and later
Midsize cars: Audi A4, Saab 9-3, and the Subaru Legacy equipped with optional electronic stability control
Minivans: Hyundai Entourage and the Kia Sedona
Luxury SUVs: Mercedes M class and the Volvo XC90
Midsize SUVs: Acura RDX, Honda Pilot, and the Subaru B9 Tribeca
Small SUVs: Honda CR-V and the Subaru Forester equipped with optional electronic stability control
The Top Safety Pick Award recognizes vehicles that do the best job of protecting people in front, side and rear crashes based on ratings in the Institute's tests. This year's winners included four cars, seven SUVs, and two minivans; with Honda and Subaru taking three spots each.
The Winners:
Large car: Audi A6, manufactured in Dec. 2006 and later
Midsize cars: Audi A4, Saab 9-3, and the Subaru Legacy equipped with optional electronic stability control
Minivans: Hyundai Entourage and the Kia Sedona
Luxury SUVs: Mercedes M class and the Volvo XC90
Midsize SUVs: Acura RDX, Honda Pilot, and the Subaru B9 Tribeca
Small SUVs: Honda CR-V and the Subaru Forester equipped with optional electronic stability control
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Originally Posted by ryanhook
I have one complaint about the concept and a lot of Honda's other designs over the past few years: the front and rear overhangs -- especially the front. I don't know if anyone else has noticed it, but I can't see any reason for it. I look back at my 93 Civic coupe & 91 Accord and wonder why the newer cars don't have the wheels pushed out further to the front and rear. It would make them look so much nicer!
I suppose they could reduce the length of the car to reduce the overhang....but then you'd have a smaller car with less trunk space (not to mention that the engine would be cramped and wouldn't be able to crumple down well enough to prevent itself from getting shoved into the cabin).
Originally Posted by tsxdriver
cause they're pulling the RDX off the market. it doesn't pass government safety ratings so Acura is scrapping it.
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It was so blatantly dreamed up, I can't believe you actualy took the time to discredit it.
Also, we can't have misinformation lying around our forums. And since other users are asking for supporting evidence and he's not posting it here, someone needs to go do research and answer the questions. Maybe he just wants to PM people to say that he was just kidding =P
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It's the person making the claim's job to support their obviously rediculous statement. When humans uncover this thread in the distant eons they'll apreciate the lack of supporting evidence rather than the lack of contradicting evidence I'm sure.
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Using my imagination on what that would look like with a trunk, I don't think it would be that bad looking - probably will look just fine. However, it's not any kind of radical improvement over the current design - I doubt they'll lure many existing TSX owners away into that one. To me it does not look better, just different.
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My opinions for the next TSX:
1.) I'm 99% sure we won't see a 6 cylinder, even as an option.
2.) I don't think Honda will develop a K series motor larger in displacement than the K24 (2354cc)
3.) Turbo or not is a question.
4.) If there is no Turbo, 230-240hp with approx 180-190ft lb is within reach, but extensive tuning and revisions is needed.
5.) SH-AWD is possible, but highly not likely in my opinion. it's even more not likely if there is no turbo, OTOH, the TL is more likely to receive SH-AWD
6.) Possible Couple around a year after the sedan launch?
7.) Wagon version highly not likely, Acura's image do not contain wagons, leave that for Honda (mostly in Europe anyways).
1.) I'm 99% sure we won't see a 6 cylinder, even as an option.
2.) I don't think Honda will develop a K series motor larger in displacement than the K24 (2354cc)
3.) Turbo or not is a question.
4.) If there is no Turbo, 230-240hp with approx 180-190ft lb is within reach, but extensive tuning and revisions is needed.
5.) SH-AWD is possible, but highly not likely in my opinion. it's even more not likely if there is no turbo, OTOH, the TL is more likely to receive SH-AWD
6.) Possible Couple around a year after the sedan launch?
7.) Wagon version highly not likely, Acura's image do not contain wagons, leave that for Honda (mostly in Europe anyways).
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Originally Posted by loulinjai
My opinions for the next TSX:
1.) I'm 99% sure we won't see a 6 cylinder, even as an option.
2.) I don't think Honda will develop a K series motor larger in displacement than the K24 (2354cc)
3.) Turbo or not is a question.
4.) If there is no Turbo, 230-240hp with approx 180-190ft lb is within reach, but extensive tuning and revisions is needed.
5.) SH-AWD is possible, but highly not likely in my opinion. it's even more not likely if there is no turbo, OTOH, the TL is more likely to receive SH-AWD
6.) Possible Couple around a year after the sedan launch?
7.) Wagon version highly not likely, Acura's image do not contain wagons, leave that for Honda (mostly in Europe anyways).
1.) I'm 99% sure we won't see a 6 cylinder, even as an option.
2.) I don't think Honda will develop a K series motor larger in displacement than the K24 (2354cc)
3.) Turbo or not is a question.
4.) If there is no Turbo, 230-240hp with approx 180-190ft lb is within reach, but extensive tuning and revisions is needed.
5.) SH-AWD is possible, but highly not likely in my opinion. it's even more not likely if there is no turbo, OTOH, the TL is more likely to receive SH-AWD
6.) Possible Couple around a year after the sedan launch?
7.) Wagon version highly not likely, Acura's image do not contain wagons, leave that for Honda (mostly in Europe anyways).
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#76
Originally Posted by loulinjai
My opinions for the next TSX:
5.) SH-AWD is possible, but highly not likely in my opinion. it's even more not likely if there is no turbo, OTOH, the TL is more likely to receive SH-AWD
5.) SH-AWD is possible, but highly not likely in my opinion. it's even more not likely if there is no turbo, OTOH, the TL is more likely to receive SH-AWD
#77
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What Acura might do in the next 2-5 years:
- Add sh-awd to all acura vehicles
- TSX will have 2.4L I-4 and 2.3T as engine options, we might see the turbo diesel if they make a 6AT
- TL will have 3.5L and sells will drop until they make the 3.7 standard because of the Accord 3.5L
- RDX will keep the 2.3T and sells will remain the same, flat
- RL will get the 3.7L at first and a V-8 option a few years later (4.2L - 4.6L)
- MDX will keep the 3.7L and upgrade power in a few years to 310-320hp, MDX will get the same V-8 as the RL (I'm wishing for a V-8 MDX by 2010)
Wild Card: Honda/Acura develops the V-8, you could see another Acura SUV based on the Ridgeline.
- Add sh-awd to all acura vehicles
- TSX will have 2.4L I-4 and 2.3T as engine options, we might see the turbo diesel if they make a 6AT
- TL will have 3.5L and sells will drop until they make the 3.7 standard because of the Accord 3.5L
- RDX will keep the 2.3T and sells will remain the same, flat
- RL will get the 3.7L at first and a V-8 option a few years later (4.2L - 4.6L)
- MDX will keep the 3.7L and upgrade power in a few years to 310-320hp, MDX will get the same V-8 as the RL (I'm wishing for a V-8 MDX by 2010)
Wild Card: Honda/Acura develops the V-8, you could see another Acura SUV based on the Ridgeline.
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Originally Posted by mrgold35
- TL will have 3.5L and sells will drop until they make the 3.7 standard because of the Accord 3.5L
Does BMW worry about 535/528 sales? Does Nissan worry about G35/M35 sales? Does Lexus worry about ES350/IS sales? and so on. Every manufacture puts a variant of the same engine in a "lesser" car but only in the Honda camp are their worries about cannibalizing sales.
No other manufacture worries about putting a equal or lesser engine in their "lower" branded car so why should Honda? If the TL/TSX is good enough and does enough to separate itself the engine shouldn't matter.
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Originally Posted by dom
Does BMW worry about 535/528 sales? Does Nissan worry about G35/M35 sales? Does Lexus worry about ES350/IS sales? and so on. Every manufacture puts a variant of the same engine in a "lesser" car but only in the Honda camp are their worries about cannibalizing sales.
No other manufacture worries about putting a equal or lesser engine in their "lower" branded car so why should Honda? If the TL/TSX is good enough and does enough to separate itself the engine shouldn't matter.
No other manufacture worries about putting a equal or lesser engine in their "lower" branded car so why should Honda? If the TL/TSX is good enough and does enough to separate itself the engine shouldn't matter.
I can only speak for personal experience, but I'll use it as an example. I know 3 people that decided to buy a Honda Pilot instead of the Acura MDX (before the redesign) because there wasn't enough differentiation between the two. I can only speculate on the potential cannibalization between the Accord and the new TSX/TL, but I've personally seen it happen...
With that said, my wife and I happened to be in the "minority", and went with the MDX when cross-shopping the SUVs. For what it's worth, I optioned out a new Accord Coupe (would've done the sedan if it came in 6MT), and at MSRP, it was already ~$35k!
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Originally Posted by dom
Does BMW worry about 535/528 sales? Does Nissan worry about G35/M35 sales? Does Lexus worry about ES350/IS sales? and so on. Every manufacture puts a variant of the same engine in a "lesser" car but only in the Honda camp are their worries about cannibalizing sales.
No other manufacture worries about putting a equal or lesser engine in their "lower" branded car so why should Honda? If the TL/TSX is good enough and does enough to separate itself the engine shouldn't matter.
No other manufacture worries about putting a equal or lesser engine in their "lower" branded car so why should Honda? If the TL/TSX is good enough and does enough to separate itself the engine shouldn't matter.
There is a clear separation between brands by price and demographics for:
BMW 3 series –vs- BMW 5 series
Nissan Altima/Maxima –vs- G35/M35
Toyota Camry/Avalon –vs- IS 250/350 and ES350
The separation is not as clear comparing the TSX –vs- TL –vs- v6 Accord brands other that $3,000-$5,000 in price and starting in 09. The value and perceived luxury of the Acura brand is very subjective to many folks. The TSX is a great value to us but it cannot compete with the v-6 Accord on stats sheet. Now you will start seeing all kinds of comparisons of the all new v-6 Accord –vs- the old TL or I would of purchased a TL but I got a Accord coupe instead.
Acura needs more engine choices with more power options to stay in the running. I would pay for a v-8 MDX or 2.3T TSX with +270hp.