See if I'd had put the after the moving up-market comment I would have had to read one of your long winded diatrabs about how the RDX is worth its asking price and how 19/24 is actually good gas mileage

 

If you want, I can skip doing it in public and just direct my diatribes to your PM and email?

 

Rubbish

 

Me or the RDX?

 

I thought it was today's word.

Its the RDX if its $50K CDN.

 

Probably you.

 

Yup. Likely to start at 45K CAD, 48K with tech pack so 50+ on the road.

I know.

 

I figured it was aimed at your defense of 19/24.

 

You're just bitter because you Canucks always get raped by the manufacturers on pricing...

 

Hey, in light of the fact that the RDX got the same on-road mileage in a road test as the new V6 RAV4, seems like the defense was justified.

 

^^^Lets stay on topic ladies

 

^^ joerockt, voice of reason?

 

Do most of you think the next gen TSX (not '07) will be coming with the turbo engine? I say this because I highly doubt that next year's model will. I may be wrong with this, but is the RDX the first Honda with an OEM turbo?
If that's the case then I'd rather wait until those "first gen TSX turbos" are all on the road and get the following model year. Yes I know Honda engineers know what they are doing, but new cars typically need a year's worth of consumer "testing" to find any nit picky problems they may have.

I personally would rather keep it naturally aspirated than to have "Audi like" problems.

 

 

@ 16 mpg.

 

I've accepted that thus is the reality of an AWD, 4000 pound SUV with a huge frontal area. Hey, for all the crap the people were talking about how the RDX doesn't compare up to the RAV4 on gas mileage, I'd say the numbers are pretty redeeming.

besides, it's not like I'm gonna be stupid enough to buy an SUV...I'm just interested in the RDX for the drivetrain

 

This is not Honda's first turbo engine. There were a number of smaller displacement turbo motors used in the JDM market. This is only the first one that has been released to the US market and is currently exclusive to Acura.

 

But no, we will NOT see it in the 07 TSX.

 

I have no ideas for ways to make the MPG better. But I still think it should be alot better than it is.

Honda.

And I am stupid enough. The wife won't drive a Minivan.

 

Let me put it this way. My 03 Rendezvous that weighs 4,000lbs+ in FWD spec returns me an avg of 19 mpg. With an engine design thats older than I am.

 

But it being FWD only contributes a big part to that. I'm sure that if they went with FWD only on the RDX that it would show a fairly noticeable improvement in the gas mileage. But since AWD seems to be a necessary part of the mix, I wouldn't expect to see a FWD only version anytime soon.

 

how about a new keyless remote, that would be nice, acura has te same remote for over 4 years...

 

It's a matter of cost-benefit analysis:

You could put in a larger motor with more displacement, but that would weigh more and would require an increase in the frontal area of the vehicle to fit it.

You could cut the weight down at the expense of safety, comfort, and amenities, but that's what a lot of people make their buying decisions based on.

You could also cut weight by using high tech, light weight materials, but that increases the production costs, which in turn increases the cost of the vehicle, which in turn leads to an uncompetitive vehicle or reduced profits due to lower margins to maintain price competitiveness.

You could create a design that minimizes the frontal area or has a superbly low coefficient of drag, but that costs lots of money and may result in a design that is unattractive or results in poor cooling for the engine.

You could drop the AWD system, which would save weight and power loss due to the drivetrain. Only problem with that is that you also lose something that appeals to the target consumer who wants a vehicle that has good all-weather capabilities.

You could utilize a new fuel injection system such as direct injection, but that would require a redesign of much of the cylinder heads and does not necessarily guarantee improved mileage.

So as you can see, there are a lot of possible ways to do it, but there's always a drawback to each method. Unfortunately, there's no cure-all for the situation and the reality is that an SUV (or CUV or SAV or whatever other acronym is used to describe these softroaders) just will not get great mileage. Even Toyota's RAV4 with its insanely high EPA mileage figures proved that in real-world driving, those numbers were incredibly optimistic.

 

Actually the Rav 4 gets 21/28 with 4WD and 22/29 with 2WD. And thats with 269hp and a 0-60 time of 6.8sec.

 

he said real-world test

 

reading comprehension > you

 

I drove a RAV 4 for a week going from SA to houston and back and I averaged 25mpg it was 2WD.

 

Well, when you drive an RDX on the same route and get a fuel mileage number for comparison, you can make your argument. Until then, most of us are gonna go with the numbers presented by people who have driven both cars.

 

How many people have driven a RDX and a Rav 4 on the same route comparing fuel mileage?Theres only a few RDX on the road right now. I like the RDX and I like the RAV 4 also but when comparing fuel mileage Rav 4 wins hands down.

 

So can we be expecting a press release with changes to the 07 soon?

 

I think we'll hear some official details around October.

 

Based on EPA test numbers that are so poorly tested that the EPA is completely revamping its test procedures to better reflect real world driving conditions? Again, why don't you wait until you have a chance to drive the RDX, which no consumer has yet done, before proclaiming the RAV4 the fuel mileage king. You never know when you might be surprised.

 

If I remember correctly, the press release for the 2006 TSX was dated 01 September 2005.

 

With no basis is fact how can you possibly make that statement?

 

I hope the fuel economy does surprise me on the RDX one of the reason why I leaning towards the TSX over the RDX is its great fuel efficiency.

 

You might consider the Donkey Cart too. It doesn't use any gasoline! Seriously, comparing the TSX to any SUV is an apples to oranges comparison. Get an SUV if you have a real need for one -- else get a car. Too many fools buy SUVs and never really use them.

 

4 pages and only like 10 posts related to '07 TSX.....

You guys think we can retrofit the TPMS to the '06 TSX??? probably not but I can always dream....

 

I just noticed that the RDX comes with the navigation that has traffic reports. Does anyone think the 07 TSX might have this feature? This is the only feature that is keeping me from getting an 06 right now.

Thanks.