andrew070489

hey acurazine!!

i really need the help of some smart people on this site.

my plans are to swap the 5spd manual into my TL 2.5
i have a mechanic who will do the swap with me.
are the axles the same? what parts do i need?
he asked me if my crank was pre-drilled? whats that mean!!
if anyone knows what they are talking about please tell me what i need. and the trans is a hydrolic not cable correct? thanks alot!

TLin401

See if you can find a Vigor that you can use as a parts car.

andrew070489

^ all the ones i can find are either being sold as running good cars or they are already dismantled. all i need is a parts list, theres alot of small odds and end that i wont know

phee

iTrader: (5)

i have nop idea.
but usually trans swap means

clutch pedal
cup holder
flywheel
trans
clutch
resevior
lines
shifter cables
shift assembly
knob
boot
clutch master cylinder
clutch slave
starter
flywheel bolts
fluids
resevior bracket
ecu
engine harness
cabin harness

stas2007

I would also like to know as much info on this as possible...i hate my auto tranny; i hate it so much i was considering selling my car

Has anyone done the 5 speed swap? if so please share!!!I can promise a fully detailed DIY on this if someone provide me with a parts list...

andrew070489

^^ do it!! there are pieces there and there, but not enough info!! thats why i started this thread hopefully we can piece together a successful conversion

stas2007

the swap should basic especially since the tranny bolts right up to the motor; but complex is the wiring?i am sure the plugs on tl & vigor computers are different?
the wiring is what scares me...

Ken1997TL

You'll need to switch over to OBD-I, there is NO compatible ECU that is OBD-2

So yank one out of a Vigor with a manual and you'll be fine

andrew070489

^ the mechanic who said he will do my swap said i dont need the trans computer..is this wrong then? or did you mean just swap ecu with a vigor?

bigwerm187

how much is this swap goin to cost you....? dam whats that stauts on it..? has he started it yet..? how you think the car is going to feel when you get it done..?

andrew070489

well the mechanic is a co-workers husband and he is like some guru with cars. the status? i havent even started, right now i have an auto with 202k and its on its way out. how will the car feel? fast and fun! i test drove a 5spd vigor just to see if its worth it and yes i would say so.

the mechanic would use me as an extra hand to help me save some money and i would buy all the parts from a yard (estimate 600 parts) and i wanna say 500 labor, he said it is a weekend project (1 weekend)

andrew070489

hey guys, trans is slowly going (still). in the mean time i have been looking at my options. would converting my tl to a 5spd add value to my car since it could be one of a kind? i have been trying to locate parts and talking to shops about it

Go90go

Yes and no. It'll increase value to people specifically looking for a UA2, but it'll lower it to the general public. They will be scared that since it's unique, parts aren't readily available, etc., regardless of whether or not it's true.

~Cheers~

andrew070489

oh i understand.. im gonna try to meet with a possible builder and let him tell me whats up. i have also been looking at other cars 240sx, integra's, legends, but i would just rather keep MY car! but unfortunately im kinda broke, and having trouble finding a MT vigor

Inspired[RUS]

I did this swap two years ego. You will need:

vigs tranny
A\T shifter (not salon's but A\T's)
clutch and brake pedals
main and slave clutch cylynders (vigs clutch is hydro)
clutch resevior with lines
flywheel
flywheel bolts
clutch plate
clutch disk
release bearing
shifter and shifter rods
shift assembly (boots ect)
knob

I found crashed vig and take everything from him. Most difficult is to install clitch pedal lots of metrology and only after then is drilling - my advice. Under the bonnet you'll need to install clutch resevior, no problem with it - lots of space on engine bay. In salon you'll ned some saw works with shifter gap - MT needs more space. At last, when you put it all together you'll find that engine doesn't starts with new tranny. You'll need to put off selector from a\t tranny, connect it to its place and bring ground wire to him, or just screw it somewere to car's body (I srewd it under central console, near shifter). Guading by selector positions on dashboard select "P" position and forget about starting and key realising for ever. Its possible becouse we have no vtec or other systems which is depend on selector position. Almost forget - it's needet to bring two wires from "reverse moving sensor" on MT to selector or you reverse moving lights and strums will not work.

TLin401

Andrew I was looking online and a found a manual tranny with 82K miles on it if you are interested in it.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/92-94...Q5fAccessories

andrew070489

inspiredp[rus] - thanks so much!! if i printed this and brought it to the guy would he know what your talking about, like odds and ends things? did you need to weld or pabricate anything? can i use the differential i already have?

and i have never swapped an engine or trans, is this any way a DIY *(even if i had a week or 2)

andrew070489

thanks so much! but i think if i just buy the trans for 600 shipped then ill still have to pay alot more for all the other parts + labor.

andrew070489

whats a salon mean ?

TLin401

I think that it would be a DIY if you have a friend that knows what they are doing.

andrew070489

fuck yeah!!! i just found a 93 vigor 5 speed, running condition, just needs a flex pipe. she started at 800 and i talked her down to 400. i'm so happy!! all i gotta do is buy it and start ripping stuff apart

TLin401

:gheywave:

Congrats Andrew GOOD LUCK!

andrew070489

^ thanks!! cross your fingers

And i just got off the phone with the guy who would put it in.. he said 400-500 max to install if i give him some help.. total around 1000? not bad i hope everything goes through and i think i could part that vigor for atleast $1000. what do you guys think? i'm not sure how much they really go for.

tmnhs81

Good luck with swap.

Inspired[RUS]

As I said, you have to drill holes for clutch pedal, for clutch resevior and expand shifter's gap. No more drilling or welding. You can use your differential and axes, they are the same with vigs. I forgot abot rear MT small mountains! You should take it (two of them) from vig too.

Within a car, inside a car - something like that.

andrew070489

thanks!! ^^
i'm getting the car today.. by the end of this week i will have a 5 speed! i'm switching my auto back into the vigor for a friend..

andrew070489

oh and what are the 2 mountains? do you mean rear MT trans mounts?

TLin401

I think he is talking about the mounts.

Inspired[RUS]

I mean this parts, marked green:



rear tranny mounts, yes.

andrew070489

thanks guys, the shop got started this morning on the swap. ill get it back 2-3 days from now.

TLin401

andrew070489

UPDATE: in order to make the swap successful and keep the vigor running and legal for my friend we will need to do some more searching. odb1 - odb2 is the problem

we are still working on the problem

andrew070489

if anyone can help me figure this out it would be greatly appreciated. they said i can keep mine obd2 but the vigors ecu obd1 wont work because of misc sensors and stuff. also the tl's ecu wouldnt work with the vigor they said help me!! i knows its been done

andrew070489

they said i need to make my computer think that theres no transmission pretty much

Inspired[RUS]

It seems to me that they just want your money. Just take off A\T selector from automatic tranny, connect it to it's place (cutoff point stays on cabin wiring) and get him ground wire. D4 will blink anyway, but you can choose P position to release key and start the engine, drive and do whatever you need. I took off P and D4 lamps to avoid desterbing blinking.

andrew070489

they said call hondata and have then program my ecu.. and they could do the swap but my friends car couldnt run and have cel's.. i guess im gonna have to just wait til i find another car that i can rip apart ..... i should of just not tried to hook my friend up with a car, i could be driving a 5 speed!

TLin401

So this isn't getting done?

Good luck finding another deal on a 5-speed vigor.

andrew070489

it will eventually be done, just need more time. i'm gonna buy a stock ecu/ ecm and send it out to have reprogrammed to work with the manual 5spd as obd2. while thats being done im also gonna see if they can tweak some more power out of my car since its getting reprogrammed anyways.

the swap is in progress though.. i just need to get some misc parts and figure out electrical, the biggest problem is switching them over from obd2-obd1 vise versa, so we will prob go another route.

in the mean time i will be doing some work on the transmission and engine.

TLin401

Hopefully this will get done soon because I def want to see a video of this thin in action!

andrew070489

im working on it!