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Dec 29, 2006 | 08:18 PM

flashfreaker

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Robert Reinhardt

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Acuralink and Bluetooth phones

When I first got my RDX a couple of weeks ago, my fancy T-Mobile MDA phone was being repaired. So, I was using my old Sony Ericsson T-68i phone for HandsFreeLink and Acuralink messages. It worked great, but it's an old phone and it's not fully functional. When I got my T-Mobile MDA back, I paired it with the RDX and it works great for handsfree calls. However, I can't get the data connection to work with my MDA. Does anyone else have a T-Mobile MDA or Cingular 8125 phone (the Cingular phone is the same hardware) and have it working with Acuralink?

Dec 30, 2006 | 10:36 AM

chyllintsx

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i used to have the 8125, and all i did was pair it for phones use... question though

wat do you plan on doing with the data connection?

Dec 30, 2006 | 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by chyllintsx

i used to have the 8125, and all i did was pair it for phones use... question though

wat do you plan on doing with the data connection?

the data connection connects to the acuralink servers to upload vehicle info such as warning notifications, maintenance minders, etc.

i have the cingular 8525, the newer version of the 8125, MDA. i too, have the same issue of not being able to establish a data connection with acuralink.

i think i have the issue nailed down, so if it works, i'll let you know what the info is.

Dec 30, 2006 | 12:18 PM

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Acura also uses it to listen to all your conversations in the vehicle...

Dec 30, 2006 | 06:01 PM

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Acura also uses it to listen to all your conversations in the vehicle...

... and turns the tapes over to Homeland Security. I mean, if you're not planning a crime, why worry?

Dec 30, 2006 | 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by DogPatch

i think i have the issue nailed down, so if it works, i'll let you know what the info is.

DogPatch, thanks for the reply. I think the issue is the Microsoft Bluetooth Stack in Windows Mobile 5. I found a btmodem.exe on another forum that enables DUN profiles on WM5, but it didn't seem to help. I have a feeling the issue is related to why the HTC Wizard hardware doesn't work out of the box with Mac OS X too. The Bluetooth device type for the HTC Wizard is not a mobile phone, it's a PDA. So, I'm wondering if that's throwing the Acuralink setup a bit. At any rate, I've tried just about everything I can think of, and I haven't resorted to looking for a hacked ROM that includes the latest AKU (Adaptation Kit Update) for WM5. My T-Mobile MDA is only using WM5 2.26 or something like that, and the latest is version 3 something.

Dec 30, 2006 | 08:28 PM

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yeah, ms has always had an issue with their BT stack on their windows mobile phones. this might be more a problem for the PPC version of WM5, because my motorola mpx220, running WM3, was able to establish a data connection with the acuralink server.

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Dec 31, 2006 | 10:20 AM

flashfreaker

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So no luck yet DogPatch with getting yoru 8125 to connect with Acuralink? I'm anxious to hear your solution (when you get it)...

Dec 31, 2006 | 01:10 PM

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What does it do anyway? Mine is set up and get a connection but it has never asked me to connect since I've had the car....

Dec 31, 2006 | 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by frogywill

What does it do anyway? Mine is set up and get a connection but it has never asked me to connect since I've had the car....

Check out this thread:

https://acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=504

Dec 31, 2006 | 11:06 PM

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So no luck yet DogPatch with getting yoru 8125 to connect with Acuralink? I'm anxious to hear your solution (when you get it)...

yeah, no dice.

i had originally thought that i couldnt get the data connection to work because i had my 8525 on UTMS. so i flipped it to GSM, and try to get it to connect.

the BTstack is hosed. i forced my 8525 to establish a data connection with the cingular network.

after doing so, i attempted to establish a connection to acuralink via bluetooth. this is when the bluetooth connection gets hosed. when the blue tooth connection tries to make the acuralink connection, the blue tooth connection with the RDX 'kills' the data connection on the phone.

yeah, it sounds confusing, but it is what it is.

cingular's pushing an upgrade to the 8525 in january, so maybe...just maybe one of the 'fixes' it contains is a fix for this issue. i doubt it, but it's wishful thinking.

Jan 1, 2007 | 12:30 PM

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Also could not get a Blackberry 8700 with Cingular or a Blackberry 7290 with T-Mobile to work with AcuraLink. Both phones/services can connect to the internet. The compatability between blue tooth phones and the AcuraLink service sure seems limited.

Jan 1, 2007 | 01:02 PM

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I guess we only have a few options at this point. DogPatch, afaik, it's normal for the data connection to disconnect when an external device wants to use it. At least, that's what happens when I use my laptop with my phone. Right now, I think we WM5 users have some limited options:

1. Hack the Bluetooth registry settings. For starters, it would be nice to find a verbose debugging mode on WM5 for bluetooth.

2. Find or wait for updated drivers on WM5 or the car. The former is probably going to happen first. I know that Microsoft has released a newer version of the AKU (Adaptation Kit Update) for WM5 than the current T-Mobile and Cingular ROMs have.

I have some contacts at Microsoft that I can pinging through my book writing connections. If find anything, I'll post the info asap.

Jan 1, 2007 | 01:11 PM

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good deal. thanks!

Jan 2, 2007 | 05:24 PM

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So here's the reply I got back from Acura tech support about the MDA and Acuralink:

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Originally Posted by Acura Tech Support

Robert,

Thank you for visiting HandsFreeLink.com.

AcuraLink provides a direct communication link between your vehicle and Acura. Working through the XM satellite Radio, AcuraLink works in conjunction with your vehicle's Navigation, HandsFreeLink (HFL) and audio systems to send and receive several kinds of messages.

These Include:
" Operating tips and information on vehicle features
" Vehicle maintenance information
" Diagnostic information about any problems with your vehicle
" Important recall campaign and safety information

After purchasing your vehicle, messages may not appear immediately. Your dealer has to register the vehicle identification before you can receive messages. This can take several days to process. Also you need to have Data Service set up with your cell phone provider at an additional charge. The level of service required to support our AcuraLink function is the same level of service required to use a cellular phone as a direct link modem for a laptop computer.

Data transmission alone will not support our AcuraLink functions.

Service providers have data capability as part of their standard phone service package. That standard package, however, is insufficient to support the AcuraLink Onboard Diagnostics function.

Normal service plans are not that advanced because most people will never need to send the volume of data involved with this type of usage. Service providers charge for this extra capability in addition to the normal service plan. We don't know what these charges are because service providers have different packages with this feature and vary by provider.

In addition, not all phones have the capability of supporting this feature. Unfortunately the MDA does not support the phone data connection feature. We apologize for any inconvenience.

Please feel free to contact us with additional questions.

Sincerely,

HandsFreeLink Customer Service

While I appreciate Acura's responsiveness, my question about whether this is a problem with the Bluetooth Dial-Up Networking (DUN) profile on the MDA was left unanswered.

Regardless, it appears that Acura is pretty much saying they're not supporting the MDA for Acuralink functions.

Jan 2, 2007 | 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by flashfreaker

So here's the reply I got back from Acura tech support about the MDA and Acuralink:

While I appreciate Acura's responsiveness, my question about whether this is a problem with the Bluetooth Dial-Up Networking (DUN) profile on the MDA was left unanswered.

Regardless, it appears that Acura is pretty much saying they're not supporting the MDA for Acuralink functions.

to be fair, acura did put a list out as to what phones would be blue tooth compatable with the acura HSF system. with that in mind, it is my assumption that with the phones on this list, that they are fully compatable with being able to establish a data connection with acuralink....

....come to think of it, my motorola mpx220 wasnt on the compatability list (WM3 smartphone), yet it was able to connect to the acuralink servers...

Jan 3, 2007 | 06:37 PM

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So I think I'm going to postpone my own trials with the HTC Wizard and Acuralink. I spent more time on this than I cared to, and just so others don't repeat one of my trials, this procedure didn't help:

http://wiki.howardforums.com/index.p...oth_connection

Also, I read various MSDN docs on Windows CE 5.0 (which I presume is Windows Mobile 5 too), and Bluetooth registry settings:

http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms898944.aspx

Interestingly, my HTC Wizard (T-Mobile MDA) does not have a ModemGateway key in the registry, but I haven't found any evidence concluding that there should be one necessarily.

I don't know if any of my tweaks and installations of other 3rd software did anything to even change the progress. I always tested my laptop's Bluetooth Dial Up Networking to the MDA before trying on the car.

Jan 4, 2007 | 02:16 PM

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flashfreaker

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Hmm... I just found this wiki page:

http://maemo.org/maemowiki/BluetoothDUN

which mentions Bluetooth DUN problems on the Samsung SGH-X820, which I believe is using WM5 or similar variant. At any rate, it mentions a "receive all" flag, and I'd love to know if there's a registry setting in WM5 that's related to this suggestion.