gasoline related questions: what's the final verdict?
11-19-2010, 04:56 PM
#41
Copy cat shinobi
God forbid you ship a car to another country where you need to drain fluids, I had to push my RDX for 2 blocks because it ran out of gas from the port. Still started after I filled it up. This is from the port to a gas station in Germany.
Look perception and reality are 2 different things, this is important because Honda may have it with what ever vehicles it has. Now here's the important part as I drove a pfi chevy cav that would quit pumping fuel every now and then no empty tank but my car would start right back up. There have been many times I miscalculated the fuel let and ran out, still started up and continued pumping fuel. Is this opinion, no, to me this is a reality. Now here's where that line is drawn, a blanket statement that every one in any car will have but I don't think that is really what you or any one else was saying
Look Acura delivers cars to dealers almost bone dry, this is common as well wrest, even black said it earlier. Shippers will not pay to ship fluilds, that will be at a available at the dealership, they get filled up at that point. If anything stop trying to make it a battlefield on AZine.
Last thing I told my kid is if there is a fight at school never laugh at the guy getting kicked around. And the actions speak louder than words. Personally I have nothing against you, Im not a big fan of this kind of behavior that I see displayed in this forum. If it is not that kind of behavior then why join in as a chuckling spectator?I'm just calling it as I see it.
Clearly the both of them won the fight because they stop bickering. BLAM!!!
Look perception and reality are 2 different things, this is important because Honda may have it with what ever vehicles it has. Now here's the important part as I drove a pfi chevy cav that would quit pumping fuel every now and then no empty tank but my car would start right back up. There have been many times I miscalculated the fuel let and ran out, still started up and continued pumping fuel. Is this opinion, no, to me this is a reality. Now here's where that line is drawn, a blanket statement that every one in any car will have but I don't think that is really what you or any one else was saying
Look Acura delivers cars to dealers almost bone dry, this is common as well wrest, even black said it earlier. Shippers will not pay to ship fluilds, that will be at a available at the dealership, they get filled up at that point. If anything stop trying to make it a battlefield on AZine.
Last thing I told my kid is if there is a fight at school never laugh at the guy getting kicked around. And the actions speak louder than words. Personally I have nothing against you, Im not a big fan of this kind of behavior that I see displayed in this forum. If it is not that kind of behavior then why join in as a chuckling spectator?I'm just calling it as I see it.
Clearly the both of them won the fight because they stop bickering. BLAM!!!
11-19-2010, 08:27 PM
#42
If you run your engine with the minimum level of oil all the time, would that be Acura's fault if you blow the engine? or the turbo? would that be an engineering flaw? 
This is not an Acura issue alone, it is known for ages that you should not run with little gas on the tank of any car. There is no magic amount, most people believe that 1/4 is appropriate though.
There are things that will kill the car if you do it once, a reporter for a car magazine killed a Caddy SRX because he used regular instead of premium.....I don't know if the manufacturer would have been as understanding if this was a regular folk.
I don't know how this turned into such a huge argument.
This is not an Acura issue alone, it is known for ages that you should not run with little gas on the tank of any car. There is no magic amount, most people believe that 1/4 is appropriate though.
There are things that will kill the car if you do it once, a reporter for a car magazine killed a Caddy SRX because he used regular instead of premium.....I don't know if the manufacturer would have been as understanding if this was a regular folk.
I don't know how this turned into such a huge argument.
Aggressive driving on regular would lead to some funky engine noises. If you kept driving, the knock and misfire could cause the engine to fail, Caddy warns. General Motors says a simple change to the engine software that alters settings for octane levels fixes the problem. Customers who pushed their engine to the breaking point will obviously need some more serious repairs.
-Drive on, USA Today, Jun 04, 2010
Oh ya, hey MMike, Jane Valez Mitchell called and she wants her gavel back!
-BANG-
Last edited by Mr Marco; 11-19-2010 at 08:32 PM.
11-19-2010, 08:49 PM
#43
no...the relevant facts are posted. not my facts, not someone elses, BUT ACURA's facts. and guess what - that is all that matters here in terms of a CLAIM RELEVANT AND RESTRICTED TO THE ACURA RDX. ITS IN THE MANUAL. ITS IN A TSB. end of story.
I chose to ignore this thread and posters and move on. all that is needed to know is provided. this topic is beat to shit.
as a side note - everything here posted IS RDX - SPECIFIC. whatever your logic is as applied to other cars driven or your experiences in driving, that is fine...but what is listed here pertains to ACURA and the RDX. UNLESS or until that is changed...this is the end of the story and their word is the final word.
Dont agree? burn your cat out and then sue acura. you will get a final decision that way. if you dont....again, the manual and tsb speak for themselves. you want to prove someone wrong, the forum is the wrong place. i reiterate, blow your cat out and go argue your beliefs against Acura and Honda's expert engineers, designers, manufacturers etc.
I chose to ignore this thread and posters and move on. all that is needed to know is provided. this topic is beat to shit.
as a side note - everything here posted IS RDX - SPECIFIC. whatever your logic is as applied to other cars driven or your experiences in driving, that is fine...but what is listed here pertains to ACURA and the RDX. UNLESS or until that is changed...this is the end of the story and their word is the final word.
Dont agree? burn your cat out and then sue acura. you will get a final decision that way. if you dont....again, the manual and tsb speak for themselves. you want to prove someone wrong, the forum is the wrong place. i reiterate, blow your cat out and go argue your beliefs against Acura and Honda's expert engineers, designers, manufacturers etc.
Last edited by MMike1981; 11-19-2010 at 08:52 PM.
11-19-2010, 08:50 PM
#44
StayAtHomeDad
Ridiculous remarks. Here is a quote from USA Today on the SRX issue:
Aggressive driving on regular would lead to some funky engine noises. If you kept driving, the knock and misfire could cause the engine to fail, Caddy warns. General Motors says a simple change to the engine software that alters settings for octane levels fixes the problem. Customers who pushed their engine to the breaking point will obviously need some more serious repairs.
-Drive on, USA Today, Jun 04, 2010
Oh ya, hey MMike, Jane Valez Mitchell called and she wants her gavel back!
-BANG-
Aggressive driving on regular would lead to some funky engine noises. If you kept driving, the knock and misfire could cause the engine to fail, Caddy warns. General Motors says a simple change to the engine software that alters settings for octane levels fixes the problem. Customers who pushed their engine to the breaking point will obviously need some more serious repairs.
-Drive on, USA Today, Jun 04, 2010
Oh ya, hey MMike, Jane Valez Mitchell called and she wants her gavel back!
-BANG-
full article
Lab tests had shown that the SRX was running on regular which meant that yours had inadvertently fed the car 88 Octane gas and not the factory mandated premium.
At some point during travel, between 2000-2500 rpm – or normal highway cruising speed – the engine’s management system had adjusted the air fuel mixture to work too lean causing a retarded spark – but crucially – it allowed for a simultaneous turbo boost which led to a catastrophic pressure build up in the cylinder chambers.
This caused cylinder six to fail quickly -leaving yours stranded.
Mr. Sutter’s team concluded that the resulting pressure in the chamber was four times greater than the stress during full throttle acceleration.
At some point during travel, between 2000-2500 rpm – or normal highway cruising speed – the engine’s management system had adjusted the air fuel mixture to work too lean causing a retarded spark – but crucially – it allowed for a simultaneous turbo boost which led to a catastrophic pressure build up in the cylinder chambers.
This caused cylinder six to fail quickly -leaving yours stranded.
Mr. Sutter’s team concluded that the resulting pressure in the chamber was four times greater than the stress during full throttle acceleration.
Perhaps you should have the last word (as you have been trying so hard to do), I am, sincerely, done.
11-20-2010, 11:05 AM
#45
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11-20-2010, 01:01 PM
#46
Copy cat shinobi
Look I am taking both sides in this, and when I am wrong it won't affect my pride I just move on and remember.
Also if I could multiple quote I would, because my iPad and my sausage fingers aren't compatible-- I would multiple quote. Yes this is beat to shiza, I agree.
My reality is that until I found this thread I would not even be aware of this problem. Even though I, I guess, was fortunate enough to survive a empty tank unscathed, dumb luck. What about those people that dont? Will they know this, will they find this thread before or after the fact? I believe after the fact. It's at the dealer service points dicression to pay,as they could feign ignorance of the tsb and this would go back and forth, remember there are shiesty dealers, but they will refund if you catch them. Most people will google search their problems, they'll see people getting kicked while down and others giving hand jobs and e-head and laugh. My perception or opinion, understand there's nothing personal I'd do it for you if you were getting disrespected.
Perhaps those people less fortunate enough to suffer this "RROD" I suppose, while either shipping their cars internationally or the bonehead that stretches his fuel will have to fork it out of their pocket. So shipping i have an answer, file a claim with the shippers, more than likely you signed the shippers liability away when bill of lading was signed at port, but if not, what their insurance does against Acura is up to them.
Your reality is that you read your owners manual cover to cover, that's good for you mmike. But try to realize that a person that uses the RDX, uses it as a means from point a to point b. They (a very large amount of people) however, were not made or forced at gun point to sit down and read a manual that most people including myself take for granted. And the only thing they will stumble on this thread after the fact and feel like the xbox owners did. And the only solace you'll have is future generations will not have this problem, hopefully. Finally about a owners manual, a group of specialist writers, engineers and lawyers sit down and sort out all the overwhelming info and print what is your summarized owners manual. Lawyers ask what information is needed and omit the seemingly unimportant stuff, so Honda and Acura is not held liable for undisclosed info. If manual writing was left to engineers those manuals would only fit in the center console. Your right the about forum.
Some people in these forums may have some pull or a way of influencing Acura. Would I say that the manual lies, no.
Wrest Judging by the quote I think you understand how the srx engine operates. The ecu judging by the quote, controls timing, spark, a:f. This mirrors the ECU functions in the RDX, and a version 1.1 SRX ecu update would resolve the problem. Judging by different vehicles I have driven, believe it or not the 88 octane was a bonehead moment for this writer, as most hondas will have fuel rating of unleaded fuel and the direction to the fuel door on the cockpit gauges, the fuel cap, the inside of the fuel door, and iirc a sticker on the outside of the fuel door, confirm? Well judging by redundancy of Honda I imagine the same warnings are found in similar locations on the SRX(common sense).
More than likely that writer was pinching money to buy a slushy and a donut, maybe not.
As a side note the reason less than 90-91 octane is used is that in the RDX is that lower grade fuel causes knock otherwise known as pre detonation. And since the ecu controls the timing of spark it retards the timing and controls the pre detonation off of the signal from the knock sensor but it can only do it so much then you have major problems past that threshold. ECU controls the turbo and if the ecu is not adjusting the boost and a:f then it is a problem with the manufacture's maps and the ecu did need a reflash. That reflash probably includes safer safeguards for bone heads.
You appear to be sarcastic sometimes as you say the forums lack a way of showing it, I'm not sure if you are agreeing with anyone or just being sarcastic.
Also if I could multiple quote I would, because my iPad and my sausage fingers aren't compatible-- I would multiple quote. Yes this is beat to shiza, I agree.
My reality is that until I found this thread I would not even be aware of this problem. Even though I, I guess, was fortunate enough to survive a empty tank unscathed, dumb luck. What about those people that dont? Will they know this, will they find this thread before or after the fact? I believe after the fact. It's at the dealer service points dicression to pay,as they could feign ignorance of the tsb and this would go back and forth, remember there are shiesty dealers, but they will refund if you catch them. Most people will google search their problems, they'll see people getting kicked while down and others giving hand jobs and e-head and laugh. My perception or opinion, understand there's nothing personal I'd do it for you if you were getting disrespected.
Perhaps those people less fortunate enough to suffer this "RROD" I suppose, while either shipping their cars internationally or the bonehead that stretches his fuel will have to fork it out of their pocket. So shipping i have an answer, file a claim with the shippers, more than likely you signed the shippers liability away when bill of lading was signed at port, but if not, what their insurance does against Acura is up to them.
Your reality is that you read your owners manual cover to cover, that's good for you mmike. But try to realize that a person that uses the RDX, uses it as a means from point a to point b. They (a very large amount of people) however, were not made or forced at gun point to sit down and read a manual that most people including myself take for granted. And the only thing they will stumble on this thread after the fact and feel like the xbox owners did. And the only solace you'll have is future generations will not have this problem, hopefully. Finally about a owners manual, a group of specialist writers, engineers and lawyers sit down and sort out all the overwhelming info and print what is your summarized owners manual. Lawyers ask what information is needed and omit the seemingly unimportant stuff, so Honda and Acura is not held liable for undisclosed info. If manual writing was left to engineers those manuals would only fit in the center console. Your right the about forum.
Some people in these forums may have some pull or a way of influencing Acura. Would I say that the manual lies, no.
Wrest Judging by the quote I think you understand how the srx engine operates. The ecu judging by the quote, controls timing, spark, a:f. This mirrors the ECU functions in the RDX, and a version 1.1 SRX ecu update would resolve the problem. Judging by different vehicles I have driven, believe it or not the 88 octane was a bonehead moment for this writer, as most hondas will have fuel rating of unleaded fuel and the direction to the fuel door on the cockpit gauges, the fuel cap, the inside of the fuel door, and iirc a sticker on the outside of the fuel door, confirm? Well judging by redundancy of Honda I imagine the same warnings are found in similar locations on the SRX(common sense).
More than likely that writer was pinching money to buy a slushy and a donut, maybe not.
As a side note the reason less than 90-91 octane is used is that in the RDX is that lower grade fuel causes knock otherwise known as pre detonation. And since the ecu controls the timing of spark it retards the timing and controls the pre detonation off of the signal from the knock sensor but it can only do it so much then you have major problems past that threshold. ECU controls the turbo and if the ecu is not adjusting the boost and a:f then it is a problem with the manufacture's maps and the ecu did need a reflash. That reflash probably includes safer safeguards for bone heads.
You appear to be sarcastic sometimes as you say the forums lack a way of showing it, I'm not sure if you are agreeing with anyone or just being sarcastic.
11-20-2010, 01:18 PM
#47
My reality is that until I found this thread I would not even be aware of this problem.
* That is the point of this thread. facts & solution. questions and answers.searchable database and google responses
Your reality is that you read your owners manual cover to cover, that's good for you mmike.
* i DO NOT. I saw this thread, and RESEARCHED for an informed authoritative, factual, objective response.
most times up until something actually goes wrong, thats when we try to learn how and why and what remedy we have. So, no one here is trying to have the crystal ball dude. I take posters questions and research them for an appropriate answer. An opinion is an opinion and everyone is entitled to their beliefs. I try to give an informed objective answer.
I understand you are i dunno, trying to play a role as mediator in this, or be the good both sides guy, but your posts are convoluting the simple answer that exists here. the TSB and the Manual. and also, i guess common sense to not let your car run to E.
Last edited by MMike1981; 11-20-2010 at 01:22 PM.
11-20-2010, 06:04 PM
#48
Senior Moderator
Ok guys, thread is kind of getting out of hand so I'm going to close it.
Read the manual folks, don't let the vehicle run out of gas. I personally like to keep my tank above half during the colder months due to moisture build up but that's just personal opinion.
Read the manual folks, don't let the vehicle run out of gas. I personally like to keep my tank above half during the colder months due to moisture build up but that's just personal opinion.
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